Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[TootsieFootsie]

Mr RB's names are spreading all around the world

 

[Carovb5]

Mr RB's names are spreading all around the world

Not in the Flemish part of BE (and not in big msm in Brussels & Wallonia).
And i do suspect that could be important & might give new leads.

A few months ago i tried getting it on a well known crime show in Belgium + msm, but they didn’t go forward with it.

I do wonder why (if you see what kind of news does get shared to fill the pages/time)

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

This licence thing is weird.

1994??!

Why would Marion get this done in 94 when her name wasn’t legally florabella yet?

I think this is RB creating this licence and name… perhaps in preparation for his victim

A bit of future planning?

 

[*juniper*]

EFFECTIVE DATE 14 /10/1994?
Can someone please tell me why that date is on it? Is that when the licence was made? It looks like a 5 year licence.
Did they have photos on QLD licences?

Could this be the date MB transferred her licence from NSW to QLD when she took up the position at TSS?

As each state issues their own licence, you are meant transfer your licence if you shift interstate. (Unless you can somehow arrange for different addresses in different states so that you can hold multiple licences.)

 

[TootsieFootsie]

A few months ago i tried getting it on a well known crime show in Belgium + msm, but they didn’t go forward with it.

Thank you so much for trying.

I'm thinking that it will keep on spreading so much that it will be impossible to ignore.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think this is RB creating this licence and name… perhaps in preparation for his victim

A bit of future planning?

I think so too.

 

[ruby925]

I think so too.

With the name Marion on that license, does that then suggest RB had MB in his sights in 1994? I thought that had been discounted?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

EFFECTIVE DATE 14 /10/1994?
Can someone please tell me why that date is on it? Is that when the licence was made? It looks like a 5 year licence.
Did they have photos on QLD licences?

Good question. Could it be the licence name was actually changed after the effective date of 14/10/94 but isn’t shown as to when that happened on this document? Did it happen at the time the Deed Poll name change was made in 1997?

 

[Housemartyn]

It was RB (in FNR name) driving licence created in 1994 - that's when he put the advert in the courier in December of the same year.

 

[KiwiNZ]

It was RB (in FNR name) driving licence created in 1994 - that's when he put the advert in the courier in December of the same year.

someone on here explained it - that 1994 was when she transferred it to Queensland from NSW, it's just a continuation from that date - like it would if you changed it to your married name, the date she applied for a name change is not part of the information we saw at the inquest

 

[EggzyLou]

I think the 1994 date is when her licence was transferred/started in QLD, and it is then up for renewal again 5 years later in 1999. If you change your address at any point, the effective date/renewal date, doesnt change.....and I think a name change would be the same. So if Marion changed her name in 1997, the licence would get altered with the new name, but the renewal date/effective date would not change as the licence would have already been paid for 5 years when it was first effective in 1994 - it wouldnt get a new effective date for a change of name or address - hope that makes sense.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

This licence thing is weird.

1994??!

Why would Marion get this done in 94 when her name wasn’t legally florabella yet?

I think this is RB creating this licence and name… perhaps in preparation for his victim

A bit of future planning?

Bearing in mind the licence says 'male', I think this is RB creating himself yet another phoney identity - was he going to declare himself trans or something!? I am not saying that to be simply outrageous but to point out RB knows every paper identity trick in the book and he may have found out that back in them days men who wanted to be known as women could have their name changed on identity documents and maybe that opened up another permutation of his fraudulent self? JMO MOO

 

[EggzyLou]

The licence effective date is 14 Oct 1994
The add in Le Courier by M F Remakel is dated 10 Dec 1994 - so after the licence was established in QLD.

MB's date of birth is correct on the licence - so whoever established the licence, knew her date of birth.
For the licence to be established by RB, that means he knew Marion before the licence was established & also before placing the add in Le Courier???

I don't think the attachment above is MB's actual licence - it's a printout of her licence record - so could the 'male' simply be an error?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Marion's story has now reached Turkey.

And now Cyprus, via the CNN article.

 

[VisitorDog]

The only way to to know really would be if we knew the date of her prior application in MB name.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I missed the Marion Remakel driver's license thing. Will someone explain it, please?

 

[vivienbee]

Could it be Marion and Edna crossed paths during their teaching career in the Blue Mountains and a connection to RB as he is known today, was made through the funeral of Edna Penney?

Is this why MB chose the name Florabella? A connection to a lady both knew for different reasons?

Please can you just clarify the connection to Florabella for me here? I feel like I've missed a piece.

It only just occurred to me WHY someone would ask for liver blood tests and ultrasound BEFORE intending to poison a victim.

Perhaps he was already drugging them and wanted to see if it was showing or doing damage (he didn’t want to leave evidence).

I've also been toying with this idea but it just seems like a huge risk. What would he have done if the tests did show that they were being poisoned? That would be a hard one to pass off.

 

[vivienbee]

Is it possible that as well as the money, RB was trying to create a situation whereby he could bring MC into Australia to live permanently and all this has been about her? The idea popped into my head because there may have been other motivations as to why he was trying to create a 'Mrs Remakel' identity?

Not sure that there are enough threads of evidence to string this together but this is a super interesting theory that is outside of the box. It's always refreshing to hear new angles regardless of how likely they are. Thank you for getting my brain ticking!

A crackpot theory that I was mulling over in the bath is whether Marion genuinely believed that she was communicating with the real FNMR and was 'waiting' for him over in the UK with RB acting as 'a friend helping to facilitate the meeting'. I think this is incredibly unlikely and a huge stretch but it's good to keep things rolling around up there.

 

[vivienbee]

I just keep wondering about Oslo case Jennifer Fargate and Lois Fargate checking in on 30th May 1995.
Staff seeing Jennifer with an older man, The Belgian couple who checked out on 3rd June 1995. Jennifer had dyed short dark hair. Flemish speaking etc.

The other Isdal case in Oslo 1970 is similar too with name changes, suit cases with silver cutlery left somewhere and sleepy pills/ monoxide poisoning cause of death.

Since reading about Ghislaine there are some similarities in both Oslo mysteries to RB's MO.

I think that Jennifer Fargate would have been too young to fit his MO, but anything is possible. I personally don't think these cases are connected to RB (they are two of the cases that I am hugely invested in), but with so little known about their real identities it's hard to rule anything out.

 

[mishy66]

Please can you just clarify the connection to Florabella for me here? I feel like I've missed a piece.

I've also been toying with this idea but it just seems like a huge risk. What would he have done if the tests did show that they were being poisoned? That would be a hard one to pass off.

There is a Florabella Pass which is just near Springwood School where Marion lived late 1970's. And Edna Penny a teacher who lived at the address AKA put on his passenger card in 1970, funeral is in same area.