Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[hahahils]

100% - very important nobody should eat, drink, or touch anything that RB has had access to at this point, most especially DDH :O She's in the crosshairs I should imagine. I'd be going out of my mind with anxiety if I was her or one of his children.

I wonder if any of the supposed “symptoms” that DH was and having at the inquest could be linked to medium term ingestion of poisons… It would be very handy if she could be trusted to be confused and impaired during testimony…

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think the last thing Sally and family would want is for him to be kicked out of the country.

He's needed here so he can go to court whenever needed, to try and finally get to what happened to Marion, and hopefully where her body is.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think the last thing Sally and family would want is for him to be kicked out of the country.

He's needed here so he can go to court whenever needed, to try and finally get to what happened to Marion, and hopefully where her body is.

Hear hear. I wonder what his legal right to flee the country is if he has dual / multiple nationalities? Even at his age, no doubt he is trying to figure out a way to relocate. I believe god will deal with him but not everyone has a religion or faith and it's only right he's served justice in this version of life and maybe yet Sally can find out exactly what happened to Marion.

 

[Martinie]

I was searching up on botulism and in the 90's there was a lab created one a Japanese gang used in bioterrorism attacks. I wonder if Blum mixed with Japanese gangs or mafia. I wonder if he swapped valuable ivory netsuke for air tickets and poisons.?

He was bum chums with that Japanese piolet for many years, wasn't he? Gang members do have "cover jobs" to not look like they're in a gang...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Hear hear. I wonder what his legal right to flee the country is if he has dual / multiple nationalities? Even at his age, no doubt he is trying to figure out a way to relocate. I believe god will deal with him but not everyone has a religion or faith and it's only right he's served justice in this version of life and maybe yet Sally can find out exactly what happened to Marion.

Yes that's a thought. I'd imagine that he would like to be far away from being the centre of attention here.
Does he still get a pension from another country?

I wonder if he is sort of kept under surveillance in any way. Maybe the airports notified, just in case.

 

[KinseyFan]

Yes that's a thought. I'd imagine that he would like to be far away from being the centre of attention here.
Does he still get a pension from another country?

I wonder if he is sort of kept under surveillance in any way. Maybe the airports notified, just in case.

Surely it’s obvious he’s a flight risk and flagged as such. And if not, why not? There just has to be stuff happening behind the scenes. I hope.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I wonder if the women who turn on him and confront him to his face are the ones poisoned. The dangerous ones.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

He was bum chums with that Japanese piolet for many years, wasn't he? Gang members do have "cover jobs" to not look like they're in a gang...

I feel like the pilot being the cheap flight hookup was a story IMOO.
I know airline staff get great travel perks for themselves and family though

 

[KinseyFan]

I feel like the pilot being the cheap flight hookup was a story IMOO.
I know airline staff get great travel perks for themselves and family though

He really is a pathological liar isn’t he. Amongst other things. Would love to see him assessed.

 

[KinseyFan]

He really is a pathological liar isn’t he. Amongst other things. Would love to see him assessed

Couldn’t help myself. I’m not clear how reputable this website is but…

source: The Art of the Con and Why People Fall for It

extract:
Psychology of the Con

Each of these con artists have one thing in common: the power of persuasion to swindle their victims. The successful ones exhibit three similar characteristics—psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism—which have been referred to by psychologists as “dark” personality traits.

 

[mishy66]

AMAZING what goes on here - we all know there are people here from all areas of this case, including the J team.

If you are going to post on the MB FB page information you found here, why not add WHERE you found it???

The WSleuths here on this thread have found a MOUNTAIN of information over the years- related or otherwise - about this case. SO many people have found so much info that adds more pieces to this puzzle.

Most of us give up our spare time to search clues on who this monster is - we dont have the volumes of files to read over like the J team do, we just have to rabbit hole every lead .

The unfortunate thing is though that some things can't be posted for legal reasons - I for one would LOVE to post up everything to nut it all out together and I am sure others feel the same way.

But I find it INCREDIBLE that information posted here can find its way onto the MB FB page WITHOUT adding that it was read on WS!

Yep .....NY / Nymboida/ books /fire was all here on WS - that is where you read it J.M., so it would have been great to add that !

WSleuths REALLY DO FIND THINGS. We aren't numbskulls! So it would be a considerate thing to add it was found on the WS thread. That way the public might see that there is another bunch of people also trying to find information and that it TAKES A VILLAGE .... It would be IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE PERSON TO FIND EVERYTHING because there are TOO MANY arms to this case.

Or am I looking at this all wrong

 

[mishy66]

Surely it’s obvious he’s a flight risk and flagged as such. And if not, why not? There just has to be stuff happening behind the scenes. I hope.

I read on the MB FB page he still has his passport

 

[mishy66]

Also this on the page

"I believe she was told you can buy a school in the UK and they had to come back and get the money from her account to buy it. More to come on this!"



NET. CLOSING. IN. BLUMS

 

[JBowie]

Incredibly, except for an article on today's The Australian, I have been blissfully unaware of this highly intriguing case.

The article below is paywalled, but I was shaking my head in disbelief that this disgusting 'Blum' character hasn't been charged in relation to Marion Barter's disappearance. (In NSW, I reckon Blum would have been hauled before the Crime Commission long ago.)

And what truly heroic research work by Joni Condos!

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/ric-blums-web-is-queensland-mum-marion-barter-missing-or-was-she-murdered/news-story/9df5c13835d4fc4f75373c6491c09f48

 

[TootsieFootsie]

And what truly heroic research work by Joni Condos!

 

[mishy66]

Well this is slightly incorrect

The fibulas and Bronze statues are listed in CAPPENALLE not Coppenolle..

Sold through his normal nobles channel.

I sent them through to J back in June of last year she had already seen them but that was when I was told a slight letter change is a common trait of his.

It’s interesting as I found one then by searching Lucien Lerat the rest of the Cappenalle collection popped up

YES! I remember you finding this so long ago!
And Lucien Émile Édouard Lerat !

Maybe posting up all the info found again will be a great reminder to what AKA is like!?

 

[KinseyFan]

Incredibly, except for an article on today's The Australian, I have been blissfully unaware of this highly intriguing case.

The article below is paywalled, but I was shaking my head in disbelief that this disgusting 'Blum' character hasn't been charged in relation to Marion Barter's disappearance. (In NSW, I reckon Blum would have been hauled before the Crime Commission long ago.)

And what truly heroic research work by Joni Condos!

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/ric-blums-web-is-queensland-mum-marion-barter-missing-or-was-she-murdered/news-story/9df5c13835d4fc4f75373c6491c09f48

Welcome to this obsessive case! Our hearts go out to Sally, of course, and all the other victims. We hope he will finally be held accountable. Very soon.

 

[Procrastinator]

Here's the article

Conman Ric Blum ‘gave false evidence’ about daughter​

( Kudos to Journalist David Murray! )


The alleged serial fraudster who denied killing Queensland teacher Marion Barter gave false evidence when he said under oath that he’d never been in contact with his daughter, new witnesses say.

Ric Blum last year said at an ongoing inquest into Barter’s disappearance and suspected death that he had only seen his daughter Evelyn Reid once, as a baby.

But Ms Reid says she reconnected with Mr Blum as an adult, and that he talked to her in disturbing detail about how to kill people with homemade poison.

Family members have now spoken out in support of Ms Reid, with her half-brother saying she talked to him at the time two decades ago about meeting Mr Blum.

Ms Reid was in Melbourne and raised concerns that Mr Blum may have poisoned a bottle of champagne given to her as a gift, he said.

“She was living in Camberwell, I remember very specifically, and all of a sudden he appeared in her life,” the brother told The Australian, speaking on condition his name be withheld.

“Somehow they connected, maybe through her wanting to know who her dad was. I remember when she met with him he came over and he brought a bottle of champagne.

“There was just something really odd and weird; she mentioned she felt really unsafe around him. She was just absolutely petrified of this guy.”

He recalled his sister speaking along the lines of Mr Blum mentioning how to poison champagne via a needle through the cork.

“She looked closely at the champagne bottle because I think she was paranoid, and she said to me that the champagne foil had been removed and it had been put back on and it looked like the cork had been tampered with,” he said.

“She never wanted to see him again. She was very affected by it. She was like: ‘who is this guy’.”

Another relative, Marika Messerer, also said she was aware Ms Reid had been in touch with Mr Blum. “I told her, put your purse in your pocket, because I know him, he was a con artist,” she said.

Ms Messerer had a blunt response when told Mr Blum had denied speaking to Ms Reid, her second cousin.
“Oh ,” she said.

“She met him and she said he told her he was an antique coin collector.

“But Evelyn said he looked like he was a homeless man. She said it didn’t look like he had money, he was very poorly dressed.”

Ms Messerer said that when Mr Blum first met Ms Reid’s mother, Ilona Reid, he falsely represented being unmarried without children.

“My aunty (Ilona Reid’s mother) got a private detective and she found out he had a wife and two kids,” she said.

“My aunty was a very clever woman. She wanted to find out what was happening and Ilona was very young, about 19.

“She told him ‘you’re married, get away from my daughter’, but he divorced quickly.”

Illona Reid “fell in love” with Mr Blum, but the relationship fell apart and he played no role in raising his daughter.

Mr Blum, who has used 50 aliases and was jailed in France for fraud, was known to Ms Messerer as “William Wouters”.

He has admitted he had an affair with Barter shortly before she vanished in 1997 at the age of 51, but denies knowing what happened to her.

The NSW Coroners Court declined on Monday to answer questions including whether a formal statement would be taken from Ms Reid.

Barrister Bradley Smith, representing Barter’s daughter Sally Leydon, said in his closing submissions that the Coroner had the power to refer people to the Director of Public Prosecutions for perjury.

I cannot find the post, but i thought I read a previous post that mentioned the tampered champagne bottle was handed into the police by Ms Reid ... long shot .... would the Police still have the champagne to test?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I was just thinking about this thread.
If it goes to trial, could his lawyers get the thread shut down, like what happened to the Teacher's Pet podcast.
We're up to thread 17 and I for one would hate to lose all the valuable information here.

 

[BlinkyBill]

I cannot find the post, but i thought I read a previous post that mentioned the tampered champagne bottle was handed into the police by Ms Reid ... long shot .... would the Police still have the champagne to test?

I believe there was an article earlier this week that noted the bottle of champagne was handed to the Prahran police station