I hadn’t heard of a postcard with no writing till now
Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20
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The Arts Centre also might be a place to find someone who might be financially well off,
Better pickings there than your local RSL club maybe.
IMO I think you are spot on re DdeH. I just can’t fathom that she could not be aware of what he was up to.. so many OS trips, expenses for D & M’s swimming etc, names changes/passports and now with all the evidence that has come out, how could you support someone so despicable unless you were up to your ears in it!
She’s either very much involved or absolutely terrified of him. Maybe he shakes because he’s scared of her, who really knows JMO
IMO she’s possibly even the mastermind behind it all.
Time to come clean, deH family.. the charade has gone on long enough.
Where is Marion?
Exactly! This ‘gone without a trace’ to live a new life does not fit. 115k in 1997 wouldn’t get you too far to set up a new identity, purchase a property, to forego your superannuation, and too never be able to apply for the aged pension, use Medicare etc. And the whole joining a cult talk - someone at some stage would’ve recognised her (with either scenarios) with all the publicity over the past few years.
Her passport returning to Europe could’ve truly allowed her to disappear. It would’ve nearly put AKA in the clear. His ‘starting a new life’ BS would’ve had far more credibility.
You don’t return and remain in Australia to start a new life when your passenger card has you moving permanently to Luxembourg.
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I wonder if Marion was somehow stopped from finishing it, and the hotel found it and posted it.
Marion seemed so meticulous, it wouldn't be like her not to finish something she'd started.
What if what happened to Marion happened when she told RB that she would no longer say nothing about her exciting new plans with him. She had only managed to write the to address. And then he stopped her!
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I cannot remember the date of the postcard, But MB’s Aunty or Sister did receive a handwritten postcard post stamped in Tunbridge Wells in August (august 13th is in my head, could be wrong) after Marion’s return to Australia.
I could be mixing up some details but I think it was SL’s cousin from Japan who forwarded it on to S after the podcast had started.
So if the blank postcard is correct on the 30th - there were 2 posted after MB’s return. From a woman telling her daughter she wouldn’t hear from her for a little while. Hmm.
He only stated MB wanted to begin a new life and have nothing to do with her kids at the last inquest. PRIOR to that it was what the Bank Manager said back when MB family were first investigating her disappearance. - AH has the FULL BOE just like the rest of them - which is unfortunate.
He says "she had told me that she wanted to cut off all ties with her family, because that is the kind of person she was". THAT very statement was why the court went silent and ended the days inquest.
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While I’m sticking with my instinct it wasn’t MB withdrawing the money… It’s possible MB withdrew the Byron Bay coin. The changing of bank to the Burleigh Heads CBA, 5 minutes from SL’s house definitely wasn’t MB. That’s a huge red flag to me. That and Colonial State In Ashmore where MB would be well known by 100’s of school families (where the teller told the Salvos Marion was withdrawing to start a new life) rings huge alarm bells of it not being MB. The risk of being seen was ENORMOUS.
The BB withdrawals were over 3 and a half weeks. 15th August to early September. Final transfer on October 16th - 5 and half weeks later. That’s a massive gap. It wasn’t MB.
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Postcard sent to Marions sister marked August 7 with the Tunbridge Wells postmark on it was the one that did NOT have an airmail stamp attached. EVERY other postcard she sent home to Aust had Airmail stamps attached.
It was at the inquest that SL found out that Marions sister had found two new postcards from Marion - one of which was sent from the UK on August 7– five days after Marion had apparently returned to Australia.
Last card posted from Tunbridge England was dated 30 August 1997
THEN in my notes:
LL - "She said she received a postcard but there was nothing on the back of the postcard. It was a postcard from London, that was it. No writing, no nothing.”
It was at the inquest that SL found out that Marions sister had found two new postcards from Marion - one of which was sent from the UK on August 7– five days after Marion had apparently returned to Australia.
Last card posted from Tunbridge England was dated 30 August 1997
THEN in my notes:
LL - "She said she received a postcard but there was nothing on the back of the postcard. It was a postcard from London, that was it. No writing, no nothing.”
That’s really interesting! Absolutely not the behaviour of MB from all we have learnt. She loved to write.
I'm sticking with MB not withdrawing any funds herself or coming back home
While she did mention to a couple of people she would like to teach in the UK one day ( and she had only recently, before she left, a teaching partner on exchange from the UK so that could have planted a seed for her idea. IT was AH that said she wanted to buy a school in the UK not Marion)
Because IF she did come back how then did she get from the Hotel to the banks after a 2 week hiatus - where was she. How come no one ever saw her - how did she pay for the accommodation for 2 weeks waiting to withdraw her own money - she must have slept somewhere, bought food, washed, had clothes for 2 weeks waiting to take her money out ( WEIRD thing to do given her PC says an 8 day turnaround and no evidence of a purchased airline ticket return), if she had no car, no money to buy a car, no ID aside from the FNMR passport and her own daughter and her son who she loved and missed so much ( her postcards tell such - and not that far to reach out to for help) yet she just waits to start withdrawing her funds over a period of time, bit by bit until the coast is clear then takes the lot and transfers it to another account somewhere....???
The facts as I have them -
She had 20K that she could access through that RYE bank should she need it -(that she had placed in her CBA bank for her trip) - BUT only has her FR ID on her so she can't access that. That money ends up as unclaimed funds which is now down to $15K
The Colonial Bank $80K - police COPS states the $80,000 was electronically transferred- not withdrawn
BB POLICE - GC - spoke to a bank teller and that bank security said it was definitely MARION who came in and spoke of starting a new life - Not sighted or ID’d. Colonial say they never had a securities officer and were never contacted by police.
BB Police - GC - says one possible reason for her behaviour is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and transferred the 80k to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England. ( odd thing for a police person to suggest....)
Byron Bay police notes from April 1998 indicate the possibility $80k was wired overseas. When it became evident that Colonial records showed no transfer overseas, the story changed to "she was sighted"
SL went to BB POLICE and told GC that $5k a day was being taken out of the Byron branch for weeks. She didn't even know about Ashmore $80k. How did he know to contact the Ashmore branch?
SL - "My evidence that a male police officer called me about a week after I went to Byron bay police station and told me they’d located my mum and she didn’t want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing"
HOW did they contact Marion?? She had no home or phone / number>?? Maybe she used AH batman phonebooth and waited out the 2 weeks there for a call from GC
GC - AH – GH - Real Estate - Banks - connections - police protection for decades - it's an inside job
JMO of course.
While she did mention to a couple of people she would like to teach in the UK one day ( and she had only recently, before she left, a teaching partner on exchange from the UK so that could have planted a seed for her idea. IT was AH that said she wanted to buy a school in the UK not Marion)
Because IF she did come back how then did she get from the Hotel to the banks after a 2 week hiatus - where was she. How come no one ever saw her - how did she pay for the accommodation for 2 weeks waiting to withdraw her own money - she must have slept somewhere, bought food, washed, had clothes for 2 weeks waiting to take her money out ( WEIRD thing to do given her PC says an 8 day turnaround and no evidence of a purchased airline ticket return), if she had no car, no money to buy a car, no ID aside from the FNMR passport and her own daughter and her son who she loved and missed so much ( her postcards tell such - and not that far to reach out to for help) yet she just waits to start withdrawing her funds over a period of time, bit by bit until the coast is clear then takes the lot and transfers it to another account somewhere....???
The facts as I have them -
She had 20K that she could access through that RYE bank should she need it -(that she had placed in her CBA bank for her trip) - BUT only has her FR ID on her so she can't access that. That money ends up as unclaimed funds which is now down to $15K
The Colonial Bank $80K - police COPS states the $80,000 was electronically transferred- not withdrawn
BB POLICE - GC - spoke to a bank teller and that bank security said it was definitely MARION who came in and spoke of starting a new life - Not sighted or ID’d. Colonial say they never had a securities officer and were never contacted by police.
BB Police - GC - says one possible reason for her behaviour is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and transferred the 80k to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England. ( odd thing for a police person to suggest....)
Byron Bay police notes from April 1998 indicate the possibility $80k was wired overseas. When it became evident that Colonial records showed no transfer overseas, the story changed to "she was sighted"
SL went to BB POLICE and told GC that $5k a day was being taken out of the Byron branch for weeks. She didn't even know about Ashmore $80k. How did he know to contact the Ashmore branch?
SL - "My evidence that a male police officer called me about a week after I went to Byron bay police station and told me they’d located my mum and she didn’t want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing"
HOW did they contact Marion?? She had no home or phone / number>?? Maybe she used AH batman phonebooth and waited out the 2 weeks there for a call from GC
GC - AH – GH - Real Estate - Banks - connections - police protection for decades - it's an inside job
JMO of course.
Yes. So IF someone else apart from MB entered into Australia on her passport and withdrew her coin, the smart thing to do would be to have her passport leaving the country after the final transfer on the 16th of October and arriving in Brussels.
It would seem to all, including Sally, that the teller in Ashmore had the right story. She had left to begin a new life in LUX.
The fact that MB’s passport never left Australia again (once SL learned about the name change etc from Gary Sheehan in 2011) leads one to conclude on the basis of evidence that it was in fact MB who flew in.
How do you know what ID MB had on her?I'm sticking with MB not withdrawing any funds herself or coming back home
While she did mention to a couple of people she would like to teach in the UK one day ( and she had only recently, before she left, a teaching partner on exchange from the UK so that could have planted a seed for her idea. IT was AH that said she wanted to buy a school in the UK not Marion)
Because IF she did come back how then did she get from the Hotel to the banks after a 2 week hiatus - where was she. How come no one ever saw her - how did she pay for the accommodation for 2 weeks waiting to withdraw her own money - she must have slept somewhere, bought food, washed, had clothes for 2 weeks waiting to take her money out ( WEIRD thing to do given her PC says an 8 day turnaround and no evidence of a purchased airline ticket return), if she had no car, no money to buy a car, no ID aside from the FNMR passport and her own daughter and her son who she loved and missed so much ( her postcards tell such - and not that far to reach out to for help) yet she just waits to start withdrawing her funds over a period of time, bit by bit until the coast is clear then takes the lot and transfers it to another account somewhere....???
The facts as I have them -
She had 20K that she could access through that RYE bank should she need it -(that she had placed in her CBA bank for her trip) - BUT only has her FR ID on her so she can't access that. That money ends up as unclaimed funds which is now down to $15K
The Colonial Bank $80K - police COPS states the $80,000 was electronically transferred- not withdrawn
BB POLICE - GC - spoke to a bank teller and that bank security said it was definitely MARION who came in and spoke of starting a new life - Not sighted or ID’d. Colonial say they never had a securities officer and were never contacted by police.
BB Police - GC - says one possible reason for her behaviour is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and transferred the 80k to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England. ( odd thing for a police person to suggest....)
Byron Bay police notes from April 1998 indicate the possibility $80k was wired overseas. When it became evident that Colonial records showed no transfer overseas, the story changed to "she was sighted"
SL went to BB POLICE and told GC that $5k a day was being taken out of the Byron branch for weeks. She didn't even know about Ashmore $80k. How did he know to contact the Ashmore branch?
SL - "My evidence that a male police officer called me about a week after I went to Byron bay police station and told me they’d located my mum and she didn’t want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing"
HOW did they contact Marion?? She had no home or phone / number>?? Maybe she used AH batman phonebooth and waited out the 2 weeks there for a call from GC
GC - AH – GH - Real Estate - Banks - connections - police protection for decades - it's an inside job
JMO of course.
Sadly, I believe MB’s demise likely happened shortly after her return to Australia after suffering ‘flu like symptoms’ - ‘blurred vision’ It’s possible she remained in bed for a week or so AKA keeps in contact by phone (he’s doing important business and can’t see her at this time - the truth being home with family) Vehicle is purchased - she is collected from the Novotel, Brisbane, then taken to the optometrist in Grafton to placate the fear of her illness and blurred vision - this is on their way to his promised sprawling acreage mansion in Nymboida, 30 minutes from Grafton, where she never left the vacant red gum treed acreage.
2 days later the withdrawals begin…
Therefore only one extra player is required. The woman doing the withdrawals. Someone close who has been coercively controlled for years.
No hit man in the UK. No person outside of family using MB’s FR passport. It’s neat, clean, and quietly executed.
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It's all VERY sus...I'm sticking with MB not withdrawing any funds herself or coming back home
While she did mention to a couple of people she would like to teach in the UK one day ( and she had only recently, before she left, a teaching partner on exchange from the UK so that could have planted a seed for her idea. IT was AH that said she wanted to buy a school in the UK not Marion)
Because IF she did come back how then did she get from the Hotel to the banks after a 2 week hiatus - where was she. How come no one ever saw her - how did she pay for the accommodation for 2 weeks waiting to withdraw her own money - she must have slept somewhere, bought food, washed, had clothes for 2 weeks waiting to take her money out ( WEIRD thing to do given her PC says an 8 day turnaround and no evidence of a purchased airline ticket return), if she had no car, no money to buy a car, no ID aside from the FNMR passport and her own daughter and her son who she loved and missed so much ( her postcards tell such - and not that far to reach out to for help) yet she just waits to start withdrawing her funds over a period of time, bit by bit until the coast is clear then takes the lot and transfers it to another account somewhere....???
The facts as I have them -
She had 20K that she could access through that RYE bank should she need it -(that she had placed in her CBA bank for her trip) - BUT only has her FR ID on her so she can't access that. That money ends up as unclaimed funds which is now down to $15K
The Colonial Bank $80K - police COPS states the $80,000 was electronically transferred- not withdrawn
BB POLICE - GC - spoke to a bank teller and that bank security said it was definitely MARION who came in and spoke of starting a new life - Not sighted or ID’d. Colonial say they never had a securities officer and were never contacted by police.
BB Police - GC - says one possible reason for her behaviour is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and transferred the 80k to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England. ( odd thing for a police person to suggest....)
Byron Bay police notes from April 1998 indicate the possibility $80k was wired overseas. When it became evident that Colonial records showed no transfer overseas, the story changed to "she was sighted"
SL went to BB POLICE and told GC that $5k a day was being taken out of the Byron branch for weeks. She didn't even know about Ashmore $80k. How did he know to contact the Ashmore branch?
SL - "My evidence that a male police officer called me about a week after I went to Byron bay police station and told me they’d located my mum and she didn’t want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing"
HOW did they contact Marion?? She had no home or phone / number>?? Maybe she used AH batman phonebooth and waited out the 2 weeks there for a call from GC
GC - AH – GH - Real Estate - Banks - connections - police protection for decades - it's an inside job
JMO of course.
I also want to know why they don't know where the money went. Shouldn't the account the money transferred to be listed on the transaction? What's the deal with that?
I agree with you 100% and feel that or something similar in or around Grafton is what happened.
to late to recover the bank records, by the time the police started listening the records were long gone
That's just your opinion. As WS's we are allowed to have our own theories too
I dont think SL ever said she believed the bank teller
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