Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[mishy66]

That would be amazing!
For a missing persons case I Imagine it would be vital to have ACCURATE dates/ timelines of facts that way everyone is working from the same page. There are so many twists and turns in this case, muddying the timeline would create more confusion I guess.
I love that so many sleuths worked on this pre 2021 and had much of the accurate information from then. Especially when they found that the bank manager / bank security, who told the salvos who in turn told Marions family, she was going OS. I think it was Peralta who had the great info on past events along with a few of the older ones who did such great work back then.

Always wondered how the banks could possibly know that back then.

Another mystery to this case. So many of them!

From my notes SL says from her memory that at end of 1997 she was informed by phone by a NSW male police officer and that it was the same person who took her original report. He said he had located mum and she didn't want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing. She didn't want any contact with anyone. Her fathers notes were sent to her in 2019 and prior to that she hadn't seen them.

 

[mishy66]

At the first inquest AC stated some 30 aliases/names that AKA had used had been found by NSW Police, both nationally and probably even more importantly internationally.

So my question is why wasn’t he told at the inquest where everyone of these names had been found and then asked him why he had used each one and where had it come from? By the end of 30 names I think the pattern would have been more than obvious.

Alternatively do NSW Police have good reasons to withhold the context of these names for any possible criminal trial? If so, they better hurry up.

I think they are up to 50 names now and no doubt there are a lot more. My God this guy had much to hide.

They need to bring out all the alias names publicly so if there are more victims both here and OS, it may trigger a memory. And share all the photographs of him throughout the years.
And they need to do the same sort of coverage in Amsterdam and Ireland / Scotland

 

[MrPickles]

There are tons of cases i follow with circumstantial evidence without a guilty outcome , however in this case there is a ton of circumstantial evidence that he ripped off people and had a relationship with Marion but what is the evidence of murder at this stage ? We can all wish and hope they have enough but iMO they do not unless you can find some we do not know about , I will stick to my opinion on that matter

Agree it will come down to finding further strong evidence that’s connected to MB’s timeline.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

They need to bring out all the alias names publicly so if there are more victims both here and OS, it may trigger a memory. And share all the photographs of him throughout the years.
And they need to do the same sort of coverage in Amsterdam and Ireland / Scotland

So agree Mishy. Why the reluctance? They are playing catch up from decades ago and the best way to nail this guy is to get every piece of information out into the public domain and advertise widely across numerous jurisdictions.

How many people worldwide have not heard of the Maddie McCann case? This case should be receiving the same amount of publicity because I’m pretty sure now (JMO) this case is going to uncover some very serious criminality across the World stage.

 

[chinguetti]

Brabant gang link to Australia? SBS recently showed a documentary on the Brabant Belgium crime gang. One of the getaway vehicles was a VW Golf with a prominent "I love Australia" sticker on the back window.

This is the guy who stole the Golf 1983-Feb-14:

Verdachte

Website tueurs de Brabant | Bende van Nijvel

killersbrabant.be

Does anyone see a resemblance to the face below? Coincidence?

ric blum - Bing

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FB left Australia for Brussels on 1981-Dec-04 the first Brabant crime was 1981-Dec 31
FB returned to Australia 1986-Jan-02 the final Brabant crime was 1985-Nov-09.

The activities of this gang are perfectly correlated with his travel.

 

[mishy66]

Brabant gang link to Australia? SBS recently showed a documentary on the Brabant Belgium crime gang. One of the getaway vehicles used in some robberies was a car with a prominent "I love Australia" sticker on the back window. Strange coincidence?

Yes it was a fascinating program on them wasn't it!
I believe there are some here who believe AH doesn't deal with assassins or have partners in crime in other countries, but who knows for sure right?

I feel No 9 is more like AH in appearance

I mean it was only a couple of years ago we had ONE person connected to him as documented evidence - FR - now we have over 50 aliases

Some deep dives bring all sorts of things!

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Brabant gang link to Australia? SBS recently showed a documentary on the Brabant Belgium crime gang. One of the getaway vehicles was a VW Golf with a prominent "I love Australia" sticker on the back window.

This is the guy who stole the Golf 1983-Feb-14:

Verdachte

Website tueurs de Brabant | Bende van Nijvel

killersbrabant.be

Does anyone see a resemblance to the face below? Coincidence?

ric blum - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

FB left Australia for Brussels on 1981-Dec-04 and returned 1986-Jan-02....

The timeline is fascinating. As I’ve said before nothing surprises me any longer in this case. The Burwash bolthole was a great place to hide away if in any way he was involved. Was the sticker added to the car or already on the stolen vehicle?

 

[M0nnyka]

I till think they guy is stupid and not as bright as he thinks he is.

If a criminal doesn't know that police can't just search your house without getting a warrant that also requires a high level of evidence that your even involved in the criminal act they are investigating, to get one, then ya have to wonder ..

I think he was bored, I think he was missing the thrill of the chase, after giving up his life of grime ..I think he LOVES the attention, I think he loves to insert himself and try and talk his way out of things that he didn't even need to insert himself into in the first place. JMO

I don't know of any criminal that would assist the police, they would just deny deny deny ... not help them out lol if it wasn't for Blum himself we would still be nowhere .. the guy is a joke.

they never had anything that physically linked him to Marion - they still don't - only RB's very own words, his EGO got him.

I agree - it was after the ad was found he was questioned by police and said he didn’t know her but went in next day to say yes he did know her (mb)
The one thing I see with him is someone who doesn’t care and not a person with a murder or two under his belt - crime and grime but not murder - he’s a bit of a bumbling idiot and I also don’t get that the amount of un provable things that are being said about him why hasn’t his lawyer not sued TLV and others for libel or slander etc - it means maybe he knows so much more but not going to poke the hornets nest.
He has been tried by media and a semi powerless coroners inquest and seen as guilty but he never stamped his feet and legally fought back - if I was innocent I’d be screaming and fighting back.
His ego would be overcooked because he’s got away with so much fraud over the years - if I was police I’d offer him a deal at his age for info on what happened.

 

[M0nnyka]

Agree it will come down to finding further strong evidence that’s connected to MB’s timeline.

Definitely not enough as yet to convict for murder which is why I don’t think he cares - he knows it’s all a futile exercise - he is just going through the motions but has said more than he should have which has caused him some extra trouble - I cannot believe he’s even answering these questions with his lawyer saying - my client exercises his right to remain silent. If me I’d have refused to even turn up. Not sure if he was “made” to turn up to inquest. He has not been charged for anything as yet?

 

[centred]

I agree - it was after the ad was found he was questioned by police and said he didn’t know her but went in next day to say yes he did know her (mb)
The one thing I see with him is someone who doesn’t care and not a person with a murder or two under his belt - crime and grime but not murder - he’s a bit of a bumbling idiot and I also don’t get that the amount of un provable things that are being said about him why hasn’t his lawyer not sued TLV and others for libel or slander etc - it means maybe he knows so much more but not going to poke the hornets nest.
He has been tried by media and a semi powerless coroners inquest and seen as guilty but he never stamped his feet and legally fought back - if I was innocent I’d be screaming and fighting back.
His ego would be overcooked because he’s got away with so much fraud over the years - if I was police I’d offer him a deal at his age for info on what happened.

Yes no doubt he might be capable of anything !
Its getting direct proof or a confession by him (doubt this ) or someone close to him who has the goods on him about MB IMO

 

[M0nnyka]

Yes no doubt he might be capable of anything !
Its getting direct proof or a confession by him (doubt this ) or someone close to him who has the goods on him about MB IMO

Yes and I think too much time has passed for anyone else to spill the goods on him and not a lot would witness it except for wife and victims.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Does anyone see a resemblance to the face below? Coincidence?

I see no resemblance.

 

[Housemartyn]

If there's not enough evidence on other matters for a trial and getting him where he belongs - I will eat my hat.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I agree - it was after the ad was found he was questioned by police and said he didn’t know her but went in next day to say yes he did know her (mb)
The one thing I see with him is someone who doesn’t care and not a person with a murder or two under his belt - crime and grime but not murder - he’s a bit of a bumbling idiot and I also don’t get that the amount of un provable things that are being said about him why hasn’t his lawyer not sued TLV and others for libel or slander etc - it means maybe he knows so much more but not going to poke the hornets nest.
He has been tried by media and a semi powerless coroners inquest and seen as guilty but he never stamped his feet and legally fought back - if I was innocent I’d be screaming and fighting back.
His ego would be overcooked because he’s got away with so much fraud over the years - if I was police I’d offer him a deal at his age for info on what happened.

To summarise. A man who has admitted to knowing Marion and having an affair with her in the months leading up to her selling her house, leaving her job and travelling to Europe days after he left to go to Europe and then returning days after he has returned.

A lady that changed her name to a man he stole the identity from who was his lovers former husband in order to obtain a false driving licence in Australia and advertise himself in a Lonely Hearts ad. Someone Marion would have no knowledge of.

The stolen identity relating to a man from Luxembourg who Marion wouldn’t know but she leaves and returns with the Luxembourg connection on her Passenger Cards.

A man previously charged with numerous frauds and false impersonation.

A man who has admitted on oath to having Marion’s personal belongings stored at his house in tea chests despite only meeting her ‘3 times’ during their affair.

Marion then has large amounts of money leaving her account. A number of victims from Australia & Belgium come forward saying that in their interaction with him they had lost money, valuables etc, and were encouraged to sell their homes showing a consistent pattern of behaviour.

Marion vanishes off the face of the earth not even bothering to contact her son on his birthday supposedly days after the last payment is removed from her account. Her son who later committed suicide feeling his mother never wanted to see him again.

His former lover informing us he possessed firearms and was very dangerous and the daughter he dumped saying that she feared he tried to poison her after being told how to poison people. Not to mention his 3rd wife dying in highly suspicious circumstances.

Probably enough to be going on with.

 

[Kie22]

To summarise. A man who has admitted to knowing Marion and having an affair with her in the months leading up to her selling her house, leaving her job and travelling to Europe days after he left to go to Europe and then returning days after he has returned.

A lady that changed her name to a man he stole the identity from who was his lovers former husband in order to obtain a false driving licence in Australia and advertise himself in a Lonely Hearts ad. Someone Marion would have no knowledge of.

The stolen identity relating to a man from Luxembourg who Marion wouldn’t know but she leaves and returns with the Luxembourg connection on her Passenger Cards.

A man previously charged with numerous frauds and false impersonation.

A man who has admitted on oath to having Marion’s personal belongings stored at his house in tea chests despite only meeting her ‘3 times’ during their affair.

Marion then has large amounts of money leaving her account. A number of victims from Australia & Belgium come forward saying that in their interaction with him they had lost money, valuables etc, and were encouraged to sell their homes showing a consistent pattern of behaviour.

Marion vanishes off the face of the earth not even bothering to contact her son on his birthday supposedly days after the last payment is removed from her account. Her son who later committed suicide feeling his mother never wanted to see him again.

His former lover informing us he possessed firearms and was very dangerous and the daughter he dumped saying that she feared he tried to poison her after being told how to poison people. Not to mention his 3rd wife dying in highly suspicious circumstances.

Probably enough to be going on with.

Agree. And I don't see a 'bumbling' idiot', I see a cold calculating individual who, even in his old age, is working out how to dupe and work the system. If he's ever found guilty in a court of law then he will undoubtedly claim that he is/was insane due to being kicked in the head by his horse and cannot be held responsible for his actions. Just my opinion.

 

[Housemartyn]

Even if he doesn't get a trial for the murder of Marion - there is plenty of other devious crimes to incarcerate and punish for lots and lots of stuff. Where victims are still alive. They can talk about how he ruined lives and devastated his targets and their families. It's never too late. Better late than never.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I am still gobsmacked that he would admit to meeting Marion.
I don't think they had enough on him. He could have just kept denying.

Instead he made himself the centre of attention.

Let's not forget we don't know the full story yet.

There could be members of AKA's *immediate family* or friendship circle or dodgy business acquaintances who know full what he does in general or maybe were aware of Marion specifically.

He's very possibly trying to tread the line between giving up zero information and being aware that at any moment there could be a whole reveal from maybe more than one direction, maybe multiple directions and multiple forms of proof and evidence. He's got to navigate that risk and walk on a tightrope.

Full denials could implicate him so he can't do them but of course he can't talk either so he's stuck there.

JMO MOO

 

[mishy66]

To summarise. A man who has admitted to knowing Marion and having an affair with her in the months leading up to her selling her house, leaving her job and travelling to Europe days after he left to go to Europe and then returning days after he has returned.

A lady that changed her name to a man he stole the identity from who was his lovers former husband in order to obtain a false driving licence in Australia and advertise himself in a Lonely Hearts ad. Someone Marion would have no knowledge of.

The stolen identity relating to a man from Luxembourg who Marion wouldn’t know but she leaves and returns with the Luxembourg connection on her Passenger Cards.

A man previously charged with numerous frauds and false impersonation.

A man who has admitted on oath to having Marion’s personal belongings stored at his house in tea chests despite only meeting her ‘3 times’ during their affair.

Marion then has large amounts of money leaving her account. A number of victims from Australia & Belgium come forward saying that in their interaction with him they had lost money, valuables etc, and were encouraged to sell their homes showing a consistent pattern of behaviour.

Marion vanishes off the face of the earth not even bothering to contact her son on his birthday supposedly days after the last payment is removed from her account. Her son who later committed suicide feeling his mother never wanted to see him again.

His former lover informing us he possessed firearms and was very dangerous and the daughter he dumped saying that she feared he tried to poison her after being told how to poison people. Not to mention his 3rd wife dying in highly suspicious circumstances.

Probably enough to be going on with.

Exactly Lord Peter.

<modsnip> There is enough evidence to bring him to trial.
We have to remember that NOT everything is disclosed to the public -

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[Carovb5]

A sleuth found one for auction at a Southport auction house last year. I think they were trying to track its owner

IMO that is why he disclosed he had some of Marions things at his house.
This painting.

On this website you can find 4 sales of this painting: https://www.invaluable.com/artist/boyd-jamie-ho2vwp9n3w/sold-at-auction-prices/?page=1

2x in Southport (both in 2022)
1x in Armadale (2022)
1x in Melbourne (2015)

The timeline is fascinating. As I’ve said before nothing surprises me any longer in this case. The Burwash bolthole was a great place to hide away if in any way he was involved. Was the sticker added to the car or already on the stolen vehicle?

The sticker was on the car before it got stolen. In the tv series 1985 it gets mentioned.

 

[Martinie]

Did anyone see the post on MPMB fb page from 10hrs ago? I wonder what it's about?