Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #6

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

We have another current thread where everybody was on the bandwagon for the first X number of threads, trying to cast aspersions at "the boyfriend" and making accusations. Someone totally unknown to the victim has now been charged with her murder.

Please stop to think ... what if you're wrong ?

STOP the trashing, the insinuations and direct accusations against anyone who is not an officially named POI or suspect. It is a violation of one of Websleuths most basic principles ... the "Victim Friendly" rule.

 

[OwlHeart]

An auditor does a completely different job. An auditor follows the whole trail to make sure everything is kosher, and makes recommendations if things are not in sync.

In this case, I think an auditor would look for the client's deposit, ensure that it went to the superannuation portfolio, make sure there was required reporting to the client and to whomever else requires it, make sure any funds coming out go back to the client, make sure Melissa was only taking her .75%.

I would say that Melissa's accounts were never audited. Probably the ATO would be responsible for that, but they only do spot auditing. Targetting certain types of industry each year (on a changing annual basis), companies whose returns fall outside the benchmark for their business, and various others.

Thanks South Aussie. I had a general idea about the difference between the two but you've nailed explaining the auditor side.

 

[they'll get you]

Asics have waterproof running shoes so this could be the reason why they floated so well and did not have any barnacles.
It’s a hydrophobic coating which repels water which keeps them dry.

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I really hope these scientific eggheads are watching our research prowess.

 

[k-mac]

Havent read this thread a lot but just on this page getting the vibe of whats been goin down.

The trouble with AK .

It appears from the outside looking in, Melissa and Anthony didn't seem to have a conventional stereotypical marriage.
This creates a vast array of unknowns for us that in standard traditions, dots are comfortably joined and the usual suspects and habitual behaviours and patterns form.

This has put AK under the spotlight possibly unfairly because we are jumping hoops to get a take on him. And it is VERY HARD to not place him stereotypically how he and Melissa appear outwardly.
It is the elephant in the room.

Wish a friend would come out of the woodwork and tell us some factually salacious information about them!!!

moo

 

[stormbird]

There are many questions I have after analysing the statements made by AK at the press interview.
<respectfully snipped by me>

#11 3:38 when did you realise something was wrong? ‘I was advised um to contact within 24 hours and that I did’. He did not answer the question. Who advised? When? When did ‘you’ realise?

Investig8r, thanks for doing that analysis, I found it really interesting. Do you have any thoughts about Melissa's brother's statements too? I'm curious about the way he stopped to think for a while after a reporter asked what Melissa had told him about the raid on her house. (shown at about 6:27) But the question came after another reporter had incorrectly said the raid had been on the Tuesday (the day AG said he'd last spoken to Melissa) so maybe AG had been thrown into confusion by that?

Just re your point #11:
'when did you realise something was wrong?'
‘I was advised um to contact within 24 hours and that I did’.

This won't make much difference but I think the reporter said "And when did you realise that something was wrong and that she-- you should report her missing?" BBM
AK: "I was advised to contact within 24 hours, and that I did."

(In case anybody needs a link to the video: see SouthAussie's post #314)

 

[Estelle]

"Outsider" (magazine) has sought to stay away from the Melissa Caddick financial planning fraud scandal because, frankly, he thinks coverage has reflected badly in general terms on financial advisers and the financial sector more broadly. But having said all of that, he is reminded about why, many years ago, the senior editorial executives of Money Management decided not to publish personality photographs on the front cover of the magazine.Why? Because, as recently proved, those personality photographs can pop up years later to justly, or unjustly, diminish your publication’s credibility.One of Money Management’s competitor publications has been found to have published a cover photograph of Caddick many years ago.
For the record, and in defence of Money Management’s competitor, the photograph of Caddick was nigh on 20 years’ old when she was in fact invested in an advice firm and carried an authorisation and unlike some of "Outsider’s" young colleagues, the editor of that magazine at the time did not have a crystal ball.
But one should always assume that today’s rooster may be tomorrow’s feather duster

No paparazzi – Outsider ain’t feeling pretty | Money Management

 

[Investig8r]

Just re your point #11:
'when did you realise something was wrong?'
‘I was advised um to contact within 24 hours and that I did’.

This won't make much difference but I think the reporter said "And when did you realise that something was wrong and that she-- you should report her missing?" BBM
AK: "I was advised to contact within 24 hours, and then that I did."

Hi Stormbird thank you. I wasn’t quoting the reporters questions (also in some cases they were hard to hear) but the bit you have posted in bold adds important additional context to this point. AK may have taken the bit he heard/absorbed and answered it. I believe the word ‘she’ confused the intent of the question. Interviewers should ideally ask one clear question at a time and often the shorter the better. Unfortunately in press interviews the media are under pressure too so their questions may not always be clear and could be inadvertently or deliberately misconstrued.

Please also note my edit to 8 below shown in caps. I incorrectly said ‘you’ and I couldn’t work out how to edit (still on my L’s on WS )
8. 3:18 Did you speak to her before SHE went out for a run? ‘No I didn’t as I was asleep’ eyes largely closed.

Drawing any conclusion from the media interview alone is not appropriate. I would need to ask a lot more questions, observe base line behaviours, conduct more observations and obtain additional evidence.

I want to make it really clear that I do not suspect anyone in MCs disappearance at this stage. I simply don’t have sufficient evidence. I feel sorry for everyone involved. This is such a sad case affecting so many innocent people.

I will take another look at AGs interview and provide a separate response to your question.

 

[Investig8r]

Investig8r, thanks for doing that analysis, I found it really interesting. Do you have any thoughts about Melissa's brother's statements too? I'm curious about the way he stopped to think for a while after a reporter asked what Melissa had told him about the raid on her house. (shown at about 6:27) But the question came after another reporter had incorrectly said the raid had been on the Tuesday (the day AG said he'd last spoken to Melissa) so maybe AG had been thrown into confusion by that?

AGs interview analysis below is based on my opinion only. The questions are not quoted.

AGs opening statement:
5:26 ‘Melissa, please let us now that you’re safe and sound. We love you. So our communities, we need your help to bring Melissa, my little sister, home. Thank you.’
Present tense, used her name Melissa and appeared emotional.

5:43 when asked about Melissa he states ‘she’s a loving person, lovely mother, she’s a great sister to me’. This is all present tense. Refers positively to their personal relationship in the present tense.
He then mentions ‘it is extremely out of character’ for Melissa to leave the family.

6:09 when asked when was the last time he spoke to her he answered ‘last Tuesday’. He paused and looked to the left which some believe is looking into the past or searching for memory. The pause could be just considering his response or he could be uncomfortable with the question.

6:20 the question asked AG whether he spoke to her after the police came to her home last Tuesday. AG responded ‘I spoke to her on Tuesday’. It appears the days may have been mixed up by the reporter (deliberately or inadvertently). AGs response was prompt.

6:30 what did she say about the raid? Long pause and looked down slightly a little and said ‘nothing’. The long pause could indicate he may have still been thrown by the previous question and catching his thoughts. He might also be uncomfortable with the question. This could have been a testing question. It is common to ask the same question in a number of different ways to ensure consistency in responses. AG’s answers were consistent as he previously indicated he last spoke to her before the raid i.e. Tuesday so he would know nothing about the raid from MC.

6:34 what’s it like for your family? ‘Melissa, its been very trying, just let us know you’re safe and sound please. Thank you.’
He answers this question by appealing to Melissa directly. Present tense.

AGs responses were directed at the press, his head was generally up, he looked directly at those asking the questions. His body was largely still (based on what I could see). He showed emotion and his statements were in the present tense. His answers were short but he generally answered the questions he was asked.

Like I have mentioned before there is insufficient evidence to form any conclusion from these interviews alone.

 

[Redrunner]

Hi Stormbird thank you. I wasn’t quoting the reporters questions (also in some cases they were hard to hear) but the bit you have posted in bold adds important additional context to this point. AK may have taken the bit he heard/absorbed and answered it. I believe the word ‘she’ confused the intent of the question. Interviewers should ideally ask one clear question at a time and often the shorter the better. Unfortunately in press interviews the media are under pressure too so their questions may not always be clear and could be inadvertently or deliberately misconstrued.

Please also note my edit to 8 below shown in caps. I incorrectly said ‘you’ and I couldn’t work out how to edit (still on my L’s on WS )
8. 3:18 Did you speak to her before SHE went out for a run? ‘No I didn’t as I was asleep’ eyes largely closed.

Drawing any conclusion from the media interview alone is not appropriate. I would need to ask a lot more questions, observe base line behaviours, conduct more observations and obtain additional evidence.

I want to make it really clear that I do not suspect anyone in MCs disappearance at this stage. I simply don’t have sufficient evidence. I feel sorry for everyone involved. This is such a sad case affecting so many innocent people.

I will take another look at AGs interview and provide a separate response to your question.

When you've finished your baseline on AK, perhaps we can compare?

 

[Redrunner]

people have brought up the possibility she was cleaning dirty money

but to do that she needs some way to get that money, if its already in an account its already clean most of the time, accounts have names attached to them.. even trusts and the like

maybe that 5am walk out was a meeting with the mr big... thats a scary thought

growing up in western sydney for most of my life i can tell you from experience its very easy to get caught up with the wrong people.. not saying Melissa did just.. its very easy to get in deep without fully understanding at the time

oh i have to add one of these MOO things... so MOO

A MOO, especially when you have lots and lots of money? Potatoe, Potarto , laundering, washing for herself and or by someone/some other company, any takers?

 

[Redrunner]

Without saying too much the wrong people are her neighbours.

Atm I think she killed herself but the reality is that all she had to do was rip off the wrong well known investor in the community & that was it. Certain people you don’t get away with ripping off Sure they’re probably very secretive with their investments, but they don’t take too kindly to being ripped off either..

Honestly I think the police are just dotting their i’s and crossing their t’s.

Seems that they’re going to conclude suicide which I agree with, but for some reason NSW police are good at stuffing up missing person / murder cases. Not sure why

Thats a very interesting statement about who she lived near.

 

[ClottedCream]

Eye movements in body language are often analysed on the basis of understanding as constructed in the early ‘70’s by the founders of NLP (grinder & bandler).

The history of NLP is quite fascinating particularly in ethical terms as the techniques are similar to those used by.... you guessed it; narcissists and sociopaths and in the mid 2000’s were a boon for pick up artists. Depending on how it is applied, NLP runs a fine line between influence and manipulation. (Is it irony that Bandler was charged with murder in the 80’s but not convicted and later convicted of trademark fraud in late 90’s/2000.) I wonder if Miss Melissa ever did NLP training, or the techniques were inbuilt?

“According to Grinder and Bandler, depending on which of these four ways we access this information will dictate where our eyes move.

• Up and Left: Visually remembering
• Up and Right: Visually constructing
• Left: Auditorally remembering
• Right: Auditorally constructing
• Down and Left: Internal dialogue
• Down and Right: Kinaesthetic remembering”
• Eye Movements When Lying: Reality or Myth? - Learning Mind
  
  

  4:15 what sort of impact has this had on you and your family? Question not answered. ‘We just want her back....that’s all’. 4:24 looks down to left. Note the use of the word ‘her’ rather than Melissa

  
  

  09 when asked when was the last time he spoke to her he answered ‘last Tuesday’. He paused and looked to the left which some believe is looking into the past or searching for memory. The pause could be just considering his response or he could be uncomfortable with the question.

 

[SouthAussie]

6:09 when asked when was the last time he spoke to her he answered ‘last Tuesday’. He paused and looked to the left which some believe is looking into the past or searching for memory. The pause could be just considering his response or he could be uncomfortable with the question.

Just a comment about this looking to the left ... there is a lady standing off to the left of AG (off camera) but she is seen somewhere along the line, maybe at the end.
I am not sure who she is ... a girlfriend, a wife, a friend of Melissa's, someone else.
Someone dressed in casual clothes who was not part of the press contingent. IIRC she joined up with AG and wandered off with him after the presser.

At one time, early in the piece, I thought she could have been AG's sister ... but I am not sure that Melissa and AG have a sister. Have not heard of one, to date.

 

[Investig8r]

6:30 what did she say about the raid? Long pause and looked down slightly a little and said ‘nothing’

I noticed AG looked down and a little to the right when answering this question. Per ClottedCream’s post this would fall under Kinaesthetic remembering. I don’t recall AG doing this at any other time during the interview.

IMO I have found the reading of eye movements not entirely reliable in past interviews but often helpful. You need to take into account numerous factors including general body language, the way the questions are answered, other evidence etc.

 

[Estelle]

In one of the media reports about MC's childhood, bot MC and AG are referred to as being successful in their careers according to their parents. No mention of a sister.

So IMO, they do not have a sister.

 

[Investig8r]

but she is seen somewhere along the line, maybe at the end.

12:15 in the interview - green top and black pants.

 

[bearbear]

Another DT article .... paraphrased (we'll have to watch for DM to repeat it)

Melissa's school friends think of her as a nice girl who never got into trouble, and who came from Lugarno.
They are shocked and bewildered as to how their curly haired friend became a fraudster.
They grew up in the 70s and 80s in Lugarno (south Sydney) and played outside until dark.
It seemed miles away from Sydney, and was a safe, quiet, middle class suburb.

Most kids there went to Lugarno Public School, then Peakhurst High School.

A girl called Melissa Linabury went to both schools with Melissa (Grimley).
They were close in primary school.
Melissa (Grimley) wasn't tall, she had very, very curly hair. Melissa G went to all of Melissa L's birthday parties since Grade 3, and they had sleepovers at Melissa G's house.

Melissa G's house was lovely, as are her parents ... their parents were friends.
Melissa G lived toward the bottom of Grandview Crescent, the house having a view of the river, and being one of the nicer homes in the area.
Melissa G was very friendly. In 1988 she was in Year 12. Big smile, big hair, looked nothing like she did recently.

They met up again in 2018, at their 30 year school reunion.
Melissa G dressed lovely, had straight hair, they talked for quite a while. Melissa L presumed that Melissa G had 'married wealthy' because of all the o/s holidays, nice car.
Melissa G didn't gloat, wasn't stuck up, Melissa L just picked up on little things.

In high school Melissa G was very quiet, and had a small group of lovely friends. Didn't stand out in the crowd.

Another friend, Susanna Dale, said Melissa G said she was very in love with AK (at the reunion). They both have younger husbands.
Presented as quite wealthy ... jewellery, clothes.

Shane Parry, another friend, said they are all having trouble reconciling their childhood friend with the fraudster. They all really feel for Melissa's son.

Melissa was in one of the top classes in high school, very smart.

Then the article goes on to speak in detail of all the fraud details that we already know.

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

thats really sad

 

[Redrunner]

Looking for information on the forensics of the remains of the bones found? Any ideas, or do I wait until the Coroner hands down her report?

 

[stormbird]

Just a comment about this looking to the left ... there is a lady standing off to the left of AG (off camera) but she is seen somewhere along the line, maybe at the end.
I am not sure who she is ... a girlfriend, a wife, a friend of Melissa's, someone else.
Someone dressed in casual clothes who was not part of the press contingent. IIRC she joined up with AG and wandered off with him after the presser.

At one time, early in the piece, I thought she could have been AG's sister ... but I am not sure that Melissa and AG have a sister. Have not heard of one, to date.

SouthAussie, are you talking about the lady in the bright green shirt? I'm wondering if she's a police person in casual clothes or maybe a solicitor? At about 11:55 when the camera is still on Insp Atkins there's a woman's voice from right-of-screen which says "Guys, we might leave it there." Insp Atkins looks at her, smiles and nods. Some of the media people ask a few more questions of AK, then the green-shirted woman (who can now be seen on-screen) says "Thanks, guys" and that's the end.

 

[BlueViolet]

12:15 in the interview - green top and black pants.

I wonder if AG has a daughter? She looks abt the right age? Looking again, I think personnel attached to the police or camera crew