GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #1

[Flutterflies]

bbm Are you thinking potentially a rape victim? If not, can you please explain what you mean. Interesting thought. Thanks of posting!

I haven't posted for a while but have been lurking on this thread since it hit the news. Dr Watson's theory got me thinking. In terms of the "position" and her grabbing something and stabbing his back.....has anyone considered if she was a "willing" BC? I know she was in his flat and bedroom but that doesn't necessarily mean she was there for the purpose of a BC? Apologies if this goes against any forum rules (it's been a while since I read them) but it suddenly hit me whilst reading.

 

[Salem]

Stop the discussion of the clothing worn to the funeral now, please. It does not have anything to do with what happened.

What someone wears, or doesn't wear is the focus of the discussion.

Salem

 

[SheepMan]

bbm Are you thinking potentially a rape victim? If not, can you please explain what you mean. Interesting thought. Thanks of posting!

That thought did come into my head just as I was reading yes. I do think that whoever it was in the room knew MH and had probably been intimate with him before. But just the pattern of lots of small stab wounds on the back got me thinking maybe something was nearby and she could have been fighting him off. Having said that you would think she would have come forward by now, or not run, but I would imagine if it was something like that she may have just fled and now be scared.

As I said I don't believe it to be the case as I think LE would have disclosed it, if it was easy to tell, although it could explain the presence of blood not belonging to MH in the bedroom as has been suggested.

 

[michael]

I haven't posted for a while but have been lurking on this thread since it hit the news. Dr Watson's theory got me thinking. In terms of the "position" and her grabbing something and stabbing his back.....has anyone considered if she was a "willing" BC? I know she was in his flat and bedroom but that doesn't necessarily mean she was there for the purpose of a BC? Apologies if this goes against any forum rules (it's been a while since I read them) but it suddenly hit me whilst reading.

I've been toying a bit with that idea too... it would certainly explain the reported positions and angles of the wounds. And motive. Still doesn't quite explain the incapacitation issue though, but I'm sure with some thought some likely scenarios can be worked in there somehow.
Someone also mentioned the possibility that the back wounds occurred before the neck wounds... I'm shying away from this thought though, because it seems weird that someone would spend a min poking away at his back, making the reported "puncture wounds and cuts", and then suddenly decide to do three swift hard deep fatal stabs to the neck. Weird if it was only one person committing the act.

 

[SheepMan]

Also does anyone know if they told MSN if they took DNA samples from JR or was her alibi enough to not need one? The reported call to her boyfriend before calling the police is interesting, especially if the alibi is him.

 

[Nikki_2]

OK I feel bad about JO now .. but I'm thinking that the girls involved with MH probably did suffer from self-esteem issues, because most girls wouldn't want to be sleeping with a guy who had 14 or so partners, so we may as well expect all of them to display different types of suspicious behaviour, but that doesn't mean that any of it points to guilt, until it really does of course.

Damn this lack of media coverage! That's why we are veering off topic and being 'mean girls', we're frustrated, and have exhausted all available info.

Totally agree with you Mrs G, sparce info & various versions in the media leaves lots of room for speculation, I don't believe anyone here is trying to be mean, we all have different ways of approaching a problem, reading these forums one can easily see that it isn't always the most obvious person or people that commit crimes,
I don't wish to go off the topic, I am sure most sleuthers here will remember the Perth business man that was murdered, most thought that it was likely to be a business deal, etc that had gone wrong, it was to do with those swingers that murdered him, his life preference was not being judged, but if anyone had even mentioned that swingers were involved at the time when noone had known what had happened, I am sure such comments would have been deemed as despicable and outrageous.
Yes, it is frustrating, for whatever reason, noone deserves to have their life taken.

 

[Nikki_2]

Also does anyone know if they told MSN if they took DNA samples from JR or was her alibi enough to not need one? The reported call to her boyfriend before calling the police is interesting, especially if the alibi is him.

Still do not know if she was in the flat at the time of the murder or not?

I don't think the fact that she phoned her boyfriend first is unusual, in a traumatic situation alot of people reach out to someone they know first.

The media wrote she was having a girls night out, another, that she was at home & was awoken, how close were the bedrooms if it was the moans and gargling that were loud enough to wake her ? Could she have been woken by something louder whilst she was sleeping only to hear MH later?

 

[DrWatson]

I've been toying a bit with that idea too... it would certainly explain the reported positions and angles of the wounds. And motive. Still doesn't quite explain the incapacitation issue though, but I'm sure with some thought some likely scenarios can be worked in there somehow.
Someone also mentioned the possibility that the back wounds occurred before the neck wounds... I'm shying away from this thought though, because it seems weird that someone would spend a min poking away at his back, making the reported "puncture wounds and cuts", and then suddenly decide to do three swift hard deep fatal stabs to the neck. Weird if it was only one person committing the act.

Not necessarily inconsistent. If the stabber was underneath, stabbing at his back, then as he rolled off onto his side, she (presumably) just kept stabbing 3 more times. The intent may not have been specifically targeted at his jugular or anything in particular - just fortuitous that it hit it. Doesn't even have to be deep - the internal jugular vein is right there under the skin, very easy to get at, which is why we use it for cannulation for a central IV line commonly. It's very superficial really.

Just one possible scenario among many, of course.

But that's one reason I'd like to see the autopsy report.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Also does anyone know if they told MSN if they took DNA samples from JR or was her alibi enough to not need one? The reported call to her boyfriend before calling the police is interesting, especially if the alibi is him.

Are we even sure if she did call her BF before the ambulance? Like honestly MSM get so many things wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if she called 000 first, and then called the BF straight after, as most women would. Maybe it's more 'she called the boyfriend before the ambulance arrived' IYKWIM.

 

[SheepMan]

Still do not know if she was in the flat at the time of the murder or not?

I don't think the fact that she phoned her boyfriend first is unusual, in a traumatic situation alot of people reach out to someone they know first.

The media wrote she was having a girls night out, another, that she was at home & was awoken, how close were the bedrooms if it was the moans and gargling that were loud enough to wake her ? Could she have been woken by something louder whilst she was sleeping only to hear MH later?

I have nothing solid to base it on but a hunch and it is probably just MSM's poor reporting but things don't add up for me with JR. If I walked in on what she did my first thought would be "is he ok" (clearly not) then "is the attacker still in the house". I would then run out into the street/to a neighbour whilst calling for the police and ambulance, I would then call family/friend etc.

 

[michael]

Are we even sure if she did call her BF before the ambulance? Like honestly MSM get so many things wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if she called 000 first, and then called the BF straight after, as most women would. Maybe it's more 'she called the boyfriend before the ambulance arrived' IYKWIM.

You're right.. I think it's just an assumption we're making because one of the reports state she called EU "when she found him". The other reports state she called '000' when she found him.
ETA Unless someone can locate an article with specific mention that she called EU before 000?

 

[Flutterflies]

That thought did come into my head just as I was reading yes. I do think that whoever it was in the room knew MH and had probably been intimate with him before. But just the pattern of lots of small stab wounds on the back got me thinking maybe something was nearby and she could have been fighting him off. Having said that you would think she would have come forward by now, or not run, but I would imagine if it was something like that she may have just fled and now be scared.

As I said I don't believe it to be the case as I think LE would have disclosed it, if it was easy to tell, although it could explain the presence of blood not belonging to MH in the bedroom as has been suggested.

Interesting, out of the box thinking. I have been considering a male perp.
I know the police are reporting a female, but I could see a man getting pizzed off
if he was seeing someone who was MH BC, getting angry, and acting on the anger.

Do the police in Australia tell the truth to the public or do they put out info to the public which is not true to make the perp feel at ease?
Like it is a woman when they suspect a man? Is this a possibility?

Also, what about someone from the bar he frequents? Could someone from the bar be the perp?
They would know all about his activities if he met his numerous BC at the bar.
Wonder if he was a talker/bragger about his conquests or are the 14 BC a big surprise to everyone?
I wonder if the 14 BC knew of each other? Maybe threesome gone bad??

Maybe the flatmate called her bf first because they had discussed MH behavior and were concerned,
then she finds MH, and of course she would call bf probably to say something horrible has happened, get here quick.

MOO


Well, maybe there will be an arrest soon!

 

[michael]

I have nothing solid to base it on but a hunch and it is probably just MSM's poor reporting but things don't add up for me with JR. If I walked in on what she did my first thought would be "is he ok" (clearly not) then "is the attacker still in the house". I would then run out into the street/to a neighbour whilst calling for the police and ambulance, I would then call family/friend etc.

Another reason I believe she was home and heard it all and hid from the killer, therefore knew when the killer had left. The scenario (that she heard the whole thing) explains away so many of these questions.

 

[michael]

Flutter, I love these thoughts!

Interesting, out of the box thinking. I have been considering a male perp.
I know the police are reporting a female, but I could see a man getting pizzed off
if he was seeing someone who was MH BC, getting angry, and acting on the anger.

Do the police in Australia tell the truth to the public or do they put out info to the public which is not true to make the perp feel at ease?
Like it is a woman when they suspect a man? Is this a possibility?

Absolutely a strong possibility... pretty much a certainty. I know during other investigations like the neck bomber, and the Granny Killer (both also in Mosman, just to keep it kinda relevant), they did out some outright false leads to trip up the suspects etc..

Also, what about someone from the bar he frequents? Could someone from the bar be the perp?

Nice!!... wondering - if there actually is a lack of booty call text or call being made - if the BC arrangements were made verbally, perhaps to a barmaid... bar closes, he goes home, she still has to finish taking the till, wiping down the bar, putting the stools up, then heads across the road to his flat... The timing would work perfectly.

They would know all about his activities if he met his numerous BC at the bar.
Wonder if he was a talker/bragger about his conquests or are the 14 BC a big surprise to everyone?
I wonder if the 14 BC knew of each other? Maybe threesome gone bad??

Interesting thoughts... I doubt he would have been a big bragger... usually the more a guy brags about stuff like that, the less successful he is as a result. The guys I know with high batting averages usually tell very few people the details...

Maybe the flatmate called her bf first because they had discussed MH behavior and were concerned,
then she finds MH, and of course she would call bf probably to say something horrible has happened, get here quick.

MOO


Well, maybe there will be an arrest soon!

I hope so!

 

[fruity]

Video footage showing the outside of the apartment (briefly):
[video=youtube;kJuqo6C_VYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJuqo6C_VYQ[/video]

Has this photo been added? It shows the front of the unit clearly.
http://resources1.news.com.au/image...3885-cd186944-1b4e-11e3-885a-29191a963f6e.jpg

Another one.
http://images.smh.com.au/2013/09/14/4748722/am-w-policeclose-20130914193158890257-620x349.jpg

 

[fruity]

I wonder if the confusion about whether Jean was home is because of something similar to that childhood whisper game.

This quote is one which has been edited and reworded:

The flatmate, an Irish woman, who discovered the man's unconscious body, has moved out and is too traumatised to return.
A neighbour said she was home at the time Mr Huxley was attacked, and recalled unusual noises from the apartment downstairs.
"I may have heard someone moaning, I just can't be sure because there's a lot of noise around here," the woman said.

I can't find the original, but I'm SURE I read the unusual noises quote along with the sentence about Jean being woken by a noise in an earlier version. The two distinct ideas above were ambiguous originally and it wasn't clear that the experience of two people was being discussed.

I wonder if it's a simple case of a misreading or misunderstanding, then once it's published it takes on its own life with journalists grabbing whatever they can while the police stay quiet.

 

[Nikki_2]

Another reason I believe she was home and heard it all and hid from the killer, therefore knew when the killer had left. The scenario (that she heard the whole thing) explains away so many of these questions.

If JR was home, MH would have known, if another person was with MH, would he have not told that person that they need to keep it down (noise) as they are not alone,
would have the person have proceeded to stab MH, knowing there is another person in the house? the person ( I will call for this scenario 'stabber') could not have predicted whether MH would scream, fight back, etc, this person would have had to be certain that JR was not able to hear anything, including the escape, guess & hope that JR would not get up to go to the bathroom,etc, & have confidence that at no time would JR walk around the house whilst all of this was happening -
I still believe that the person knew the whereabouts of both MH & JR.

I don't know if someone would plan to murder someone on the spur of the moment whilst having sex, not knowing if they are going to succeed &/ get away, if as written, a person was 'underneath', how much control & strength from that position to stab & keep stabbing without him reacting by protecting himself or at least trying to punch/hit the other person?
I think most agree here that it was someone MH knew well, just how & why is the problem

 

[SheepMan]

Has he actually been linked to 14 woman at the current time, or is it 14 women from any point in his life, that perhaps he still knows. If so that's not a huge number for someone of his age. I keep reading about the 14 women competing, but from what I have read, it seems more like there are 14 women with which he has, at some point, been involved with.

 

[DrWatson]

The flatmate, an Irish woman, who discovered the man's unconscious body, has moved out and is too traumatised to return.
A neighbour said she was home at the time Mr Huxley was attacked, and recalled unusual noises from the apartment downstairs.
"I may have heard someone moaning, I just can't be sure because there's a lot of noise around here," the woman said.

That is certainly ambiguous. I read that as "A neighbour said she (i.e. The neighbour) was home, and recalled unusual noises from the apartment downstairs".

Implying that the neighbour lived in the apartment above MH's place.

So the flatmate COULD have been out and come back to find the mess. With the neighbour upstairs being the one who heard the noises.

That quote also says (bearing in mind it was from MSM) that the flatmate discovered the man's unconscious body. So he was well on the way to dying when found. And wouldn't be moaning at that stage.

So if the upstairs lady heard moaning and noises, that may be why the police appear to be suggesting the attack was around 02:30. And that further adds to the puzzle as to why MH didn't try to control the bleeding and call for help over the time between the attack and when he was found around 03:00.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Has he actually been linked to 14 woman at the current time, or is it 14 women from any point in his life, that perhaps he still knows. If so that's not a huge number for someone of his age. I keep reading about the 14 women competing, but from what I have read, it seems more like there are 14 women with which he has, at some point, been involved with.

Police have identified up to 14 women he was romantically linked to in the lead up to his death.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ty-call8217-link/story-fni0cx12-1226724417519

Here ya go .. not sure of the timespan there ..