GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #1

[SouthAussie]

She has some acting experience .. and a reason to keep her name/face in front of the cameras ... and a self-written (?) wiki entry ...

wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Orcsik

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The classic photobomb! Go kitty! :cat:

:laughcry::cat: :laughcry:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Re the 'dramaticals' - I had a few of those at my fiance's funeral too... It was really hard not to haul off and snot them one, just to stop the noise, it felt so intrusive. But everyone grieves their own way, even if it's selfish and thoughtless to others, it's still grief. Fortunately for them, I understood that at that young age...

:grouphug: Ausgirl...

So sorry about your fiancé...

:grouphug:

 

[Flinders]

She has some acting experience .. and a reason to keep her name/face in front of the cameras ... and a self-written (?) wiki entry ...

wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Orcsik

Good catch South! So she was maybe 'hamming it up' for the camera's. I don't think she is in the picture unless she was high on alcohol, drugs and more drugs and had a history of retribution.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Maybe JO was competing with Morgan's other BC females for centre stage, let's face it, in a mix of 14 a girl's gotta do that little bit extra to get noticed.

 

[SouthAussie]

Macquarie University psychology student, Rebecca Prins, will be plastered all over billboards and bus stations next year for being the ‘bubbliest’ brunette in Australia as part of Yellowglen’s major advertising campaign, Hornsby Advocate, 23 October

In the 'Issues and Events' section

There is also this ... evidently, a relatively short-lived annual title.

2003: Two lucky Bubbly Girls, Linley Wright and Rebecca Prins, were selected from the hundreds of entries to the 2003 Yellowglen ‘Bubbly Girl Search'.

2004: Winners of the third consecutive search for the 2004 Yellowglen Bubbly Girl search are announced: Elizabeth Alagrich – NSW and Kyna Treacy – QLD.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2204135/THE-HISTORY-OF-YELLOWGLEN-TIMELINE


I find it very interesting that she was a psychology student. And now calls herself ‘model and pharmaceutical industry manager’.

My DD has a best friend who had lots of psych issues when she was a teen, due to a very traumatic incident. Was taking many psych drugs and was even institutionalised for a little while. Very smart girl, though, and interestingly chose psychology to study at Uni when she had recovered.
My point being that at least some psychology students have/had personal issues that lead them to study the subject.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Here: http://yellowglen-non-cms.lester.wunderman.com.au/history/bubbly-girls/#historyGirls2004

 

[Nikki_2]

There is also this ... evidently, a relatively short-lived annual title.

2003: Two lucky Bubbly Girls, Linley Wright and Rebecca Prins, were selected from the hundreds of entries to the 2003 Yellowglen ‘Bubbly Girl Search'.

2004: Winners of the third consecutive search for the 2004 Yellowglen Bubbly Girl search are announced: Elizabeth Alagrich – NSW and Kyna Treacy – QLD.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2204135/THE-HISTORY-OF-YELLOWGLEN-TIMELINE


I find it very interesting that she was a psychology student. And now calls herself ‘model and pharmaceutical industry manager’.

My DD has a best friend who had lots of psych issues when she was a teen, due to a very traumatic incident. Was taking many psych drugs and was even institutionalised for a little while. Very smart girl, though, and interestingly chose psychology to study at Uni when she had recovered.
My point being that at least some psychology students have/had personal issues that lead them to study the subject.

It seems that RP was not a push-over or follower, someone who is used to alot of positive & only positive attention, someone who I think, thought that she would have been better than the rest jmo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

In all honestly if it hadn't come out in media that police didn't ask for DNA from JO she would still be right up there at the top of my list.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

OK I feel bad about JO now .. but I'm thinking that the girls involved with MH probably did suffer from self-esteem issues, because most girls wouldn't want to be sleeping with a guy who had 14 or so partners, so we may as well expect all of them to display different types of suspicious behaviour, but that doesn't mean that any of it points to guilt, until it really does of course.

Damn this lack of media coverage! That's why we are veering off topic and being 'mean girls', we're frustrated, and have exhausted all available info.

 

[DrWatson]

Just to steer things away form the personal aspects a bit - oh BOY would I like to have a good look through the autopsy report!

MH seemed - from what I've seen online at least - to have been a very fit, active, and I suspect strong young man. For him to be rendered incapable of defending himself really would take some doing. Stab wounds in the neck are more often NOT fatal than fatal, and some degree of fighting back would normally be expected. The case from Mackay in Queensland, that was on last night's news, for example, involved one man being stabbed multiple times in the neck - back and side including overlying the jugular veins - and the other man was stabbed in the abdomen hitting his liver. Both survived. The attacker was found at the beach with a rope around his neck and still holding the knife. He changed his plea yesterday to "Guilty".

My point is that it would take either some additional measures to render the victim helpless (eg drugs, concussion, spinal cord damage, etc) or else more than one person involved - one to hold the victim down while the other carried out the attack.

Now I suspect that having two people involved carries all sorts of implications, such as premeditation, planning, shared guilt, etc. Maybe a professional hit job? But the pattern of stab wounds doesn't sound like a pro job to me - a pro would simply slide the knife in under the ribs and sweep it sideways once, and pull it out. Very quick that way. The "frenzied" multiple stab wounds, most of which appear to have been carried out from behind, would therefore suggest one person, and somebody who would have had to disable the victim somehow.

The other possibility is that MH simply panicked and gave up the ghost - which would be highly unlikely I would have thought.

There is a LOT that happened that we have insufficient information on, and that autopsy report would make VERY interesting reading - at least to me!

I wonder if it will be tendered as part of the court documents once an arrest has been made, in order to get bail denied? If so, then the report may be available for purchase.

 

[SouthAussie]

My point is that it would take either some additional measures to render the victim helpless (eg drugs, concussion, spinal cord damage, etc) or else more than one person involved - one to hold the victim down while the other carried out the attack.

RSBM

Or first being stunned by a hit over the head with something, or a kick to the sensitive nether regions, perhaps?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Just to steer things away form the personal aspects a bit - oh BOY would I like to have a good look through the autopsy report!

MH seemed - from what I've seen online at least - to have been a very fit, active, and I suspect strong young man. For him to be rendered incapable of defending himself really would take some doing. Stab wounds in the neck are more often NOT fatal than fatal, and some degree of fighting back would normally be expected. The case from Mackay in Queensland, that was on last night's news, for example, involved one man being stabbed multiple times in the neck - back and side including overlying the jugular veins - and the other man was stabbed in the abdomen hitting his liver. Both survived. The attacked was found at the beach with a rope around his neck and still holding the knife. He changed his plea yesterday to "Guilty".

My point is that it would take either some additional measures to render the victim helpless (eg drugs, concussion, spinal cord damage, etc) or else more than one person involved - one to hold the victim down while the other carried out the attack.

Now I suspect that having two people involved carries all sorts of implications, such as premeditation, planning, shared guilt, etc. Maybe a professional hit job? But the pattern of stab wounds doesn't sound like a pro job to me - a pro would simply slide the knife in under the ribs and sweep it sideways once, and pull it out. Very quick that way. The "frenzied" multiple stab wounds, most of which appear to have been carried out from behind, would therefore suggest one person, and somebody who would have had to disable the victim somehow.

The other possibility is that MH simply panicked and gave up the ghost - which would be highly unlikely I would have thought.

There is a LOT that happened that we have insufficient information on, and that autopsy report would make VERY interesting reading - at least to me!

I wonder if it will be tendered as part of the court documents once an arrest has been made, in order to get bail denied? If so, then the report may be available for purchase.

OK .. what if the neck wounds weren't what incapacitated him, say one of the wounds in his back punctured a lung .. would that do enough to make him incapacitated? It does seem as though once he was attacked he did not move, yet he was still alive when JR called the ambulance. Can you think of what else could achieve this? Spinal injury was mentioned earlier, is that likely from a side-ways stab?

 

[Ausgirl]

Oh dear. Let's not have the thread locked over heated discussions.

DrWatson, thanks again for your input - and YES I agree, I'd love to know how it came about that Morgan wasn't fighting like mad for his life..

Time will hopefully tell. Maybe a lot of time, knowing how things work in Aus.. but fingers crossed for new news, very soon.

 

[fruity]

I would be very interested to know whether any of the 14 women had any medical training (nurse, physiotherapist and no I'm not talking about his flatmate). Or if they had any martial arts training.

I suspect he was sitting on the side of the bed, was about to put his trousers on after having sex. Perhaps she offered a shoulder massage. If she had been there while he went to the oaks the knife could have been hidden (if it was a knife, we haven't had confirmation about the weapon). I've heard that people can be disabled by applying pressure to a pressure point on the shoulders. Dr Watson is this true? I heard about it in martial arts but I suspect anyone with medical training would also know about it if it's true.

 

[DrWatson]

RSBM

Or first being stunned by a hit over the head with something, or a kick to the sensitive nether regions, perhaps?

The hit over the head was what I was referring to by "concussion".

The kick to the landing gear could do it - but once somebody started the stabbing, it should have galvanized him into action, sore nuts or not. And to kick him there would need access from in front usually - yet he was stabbed apparently from behind.

Here's one theory - and I stress that it is PURE THEORY:

Given that he was naked from the waste down, and if he'd been having sex at the time, and the person underneath (assuming that position applied) grabbed MH round the neck and started stabbing him in the back - little power in those shots from underneath him. Many times. Then he falls off onto the ground (unless they were already on the floor) and she (presumably) stabs him in the side of the neck three times quickly. He would perhaps have been sufficiently wounded (and possibly a punctured lung -> pneumothorax) not to resist much, and also due to sheer surprise and shock. Three quick stabs - one of which got "lucky" - and the assailant runs off.

This scenario assumes that as MH still had his shirt on, but pants off, then perhaps the girl had her skirt up and clothes still on. Maybe panties off - perhaps that is one of the pieces of evidence found by the police that suggested sex had occurred? So with skirt still on, the assailant simply runs for it, leaving MH to bleed out. He is found a few minutes later by his flatmate. And she first calls her boyfriend - which I find strange. And THEN calls 000.

As I said - pure theory. But it could fit...

 

[DrWatson]

I've heard that people can be disabled by applying pressure to a pressure point on the shoulders. Dr Watson is this true?

No - not true. There are a few points around the shoulder region that can be painful, but nothing disabling. And nothing that can't be wriggled out of, especially if your assailant has the other hand occupied with a knife.

 

[fruity]

Thanks dr watson!

Well there goes that theory, lol!!

 

[SheepMan]

I haven't posted for a while but have been lurking on this thread since it hit the news. Dr Watson's theory got me thinking. In terms of the "position" and her grabbing something and stabbing his back.....has anyone considered if she was a "willing" BC? I know she was in his flat and bedroom but that doesn't necessarily mean she was there for the purpose of a BC? Apologies if this goes against any forum rules (it's been a while since I read them) but it suddenly hit me whilst reading.

 

[Flinders]

It is amusing to me that the media have sold many newspapers in Sydney touting the story.... Casanova. Sex sells newspapers.

My older brothers best friend was homecoming King. He keeps in touch just in case he has an opportunity. Go fish I say. My husband thinks I should be 'nice'

But yes, on twitter it was reported, how could he have 14. Soz they have at least 20 on different continents.

Cue the Beach Boys... I get around. Yea I get around.