GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #2

[Nikki_2]

There was blood on DK's satchel & on his prescription glasses, was he wearing those glasses on the night of the murder

still cannot work out how he managed to escape with blood on his clothing & hands - & not be seen by anyone

DK's father said that they would be making another statement , why?

I can understand that DK's family is under overwhelming duress, a nightmare that would be crushing, noone thinks they are involved in any way.

Silly thought, somewhere I read that DK's father would on ocassions have lunch/dinner with DK - eating out, it seems that perhaps his dad was the closest to him, perhaps he had noticed that something was wrong, or a change in DK after he committed the murder

I know, DK might have not shown any emotion or acted differently, but maybe his dad saw or sensed something different about him

 

[fruity]

New article today.

Morgan Huxley's last moments: inside the case that gripped Sydney

As Morgan Huxley took what would be his final steps, a figure walks 100 metres behind him. A man dressed in chequered pants and a long-sleeved black chef's jacket starts to quicken his pace.
When he reaches the Oaks Hotel on Military Road in Neutral Bay, he breaks into a jog. Then he runs. The ginger-haired man is carrying a satchel over his shoulder and catches up to Huxley, who is waiting at a set of traffic lights.
Less than 90 minutes later the satchel he is carrying will be stained with blood, police will allege.

*snip*

Sydney Cooking School owner Brett Deverall said security footage showed them walking across the road, in the direction of Huxley's unit, less than 30 metres away.

*snip*

Police said they were investigating Huxley's links with up to 14 women and many of his ex-girlfriends were splashed across the pages and screens of Sydney's media.
But homicide detectives were gathering as much evidence as they could for case against a 20-year-old homosexual man.
More than a dozen Military Road business owners said detectives showed them a picture of a man in the weeks leading up to Kelsall's arrest.
Police believe the pair did not know each other. But they certainly would recognise one another and possibly chatted at the many Neutral Bay shops at which they both ate.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

 

[AJM86]

Great post!

If DJK became obsessed with MH, but MH was paying DJK then he would have provided his services gratis in the hope of a relationship.

Thanks!

Maybe he was trying to keep up the facade with his parents of his job that didn't exist and was still in need of the money.

 

[fruity]

I have wondered this too, that either there was no intention to kill MH that night and then something triggered him into a fit of rage and he was trying to kill, or in that fit of rage he was just trying to injure him. His plans didn't seem as thought out to cover his tracts as much, he may have panicked, grabbed the knife and fled. Do we know who made the triple 000 call? I remember reading somewhere the call was made at 3.01, and somewhere else that the flat mate arrived home after after 3. DJK could have fled, called 000 and by pure coincidence MH flat mate arrived home moments later, found MH and made a second call to 000. But I'm sure there would be phone records and that with all those details.

Morgan's flatmate Jean Redmond made the 000 call at 3.01am.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If DJK had been living a lie to the extent of leaving his home for work that didn't exist daily, and then inventing stories about 'how his day went', buying a chef's uniform, keeping somewhat regular hours for that factitious job, inventing work colleagues, etc etc .. then that is one stressful life, that's someone living well and truly on the edge, way before his path intersected with Morgan's.

He may have even managed to collect some form of social security, and therefore needed to hide that too. Meet the mail just in case, deal with Centerlink, the list goes on for how one lie can lead to many many others.

If true, that lie was created to hide and cover up for someone already feel less than great about who he is, someone in despair, full of self hatred, feeling inadequate, and not able to match it with his peers.

Now on top of that you add a guy who is gay, in a world, that may seem gay friendly, but we all know it isn't, not really .. the rate of suicides for young gay men tell quite a sad story for the stress it can cause some young people.

I don't think it would have taken much to push DJK over the edge at that time, it may have been just one small thing that pushed him from desperate to homicidal, and unfortunately the knives were handy, because he carried them in his satchel, the prop he carried with him to support the big lie .. that he was a young up and coming chef, happy in the world and thriving, when the reality was something altogether different.

 

[Nikki_2]

Just a thought about MH using the Internet cafe...

Some have suggested that MH may have used to Internet cafe to search/organise gay hookups etc so as to not use his home computer to do this but then why would he sometimes take a female, as has been reported with him?

Who would assume that he was looking/organising a gay h/u if he had a woman sitting next to him -

She could have also been a friend that he simply wanted an opinion from in re his choice of man/men, sounds out there, but why not?

 

[BoxHead]

If DJK had been living a lie to the extent of leaving his home for work that didn't exist daily, and then inventing stories about 'how his day went', buying a chef's uniform, keeping somewhat regular hours for that factitious job, inventing work colleagues, etc etc .. then that is one stressful life, that's someone living well and truly on the edge, way before his path intersected with Morgan's.

That is similar behaviour to Martin Bryant. Martin wasn't stressed, he just didn't feel empathy for other human beings. He enjoyed killing those people. When the police interviewed him he wanted to go out for KFC.

He may have even managed to collect some form of social security, and therefore needed to hide that too. Meet the mail just in case, deal with Centerlink, the list goes on for how one lie can lead to many many others.

If true, that lie was created to hide and cover up for someone already feel less than great about who he is, someone in despair, full of self hatred, feeling inadequate, and not able to match it with his peers.

Now on top of that you add a guy who is gay, in a world, that may seem gay friendly, but we all know it isn't, not really .. the rate of suicides for young gay men tell quite a sad story for the stress it can cause some young people.

I don't think it would have taken much to push DJK over the edge at that time, it may have been just one small thing that pushed him from desperate to homicidal, and unfortunately the knives were handy, because he carried them in his satchel, the prop he carried with him to support the big lie .. that he was a young up and coming chef, happy in the world and thriving, when the reality was something altogether different.

It could very easily have been a convenient cover to live his life as a prostitute. Earning money as a kitchen hand is hard work making prostitution pretty attractive. If he was a prostitute then he would require a cover story to live amongst mainstream society. Presumably many female prostitutes carry on a ruse of some considerable complexity to live a normal life outside their profession.

 

[AJM86]

There was blood on DK's satchel & on his prescription glasses, was he wearing those glasses on the night of the murder

still cannot work out how he managed to escape with blood on his clothing & hands - & not be seen by anyone

There were reports police were viewing footage from the Clarke Rd shops and Anderson Park opposite. It may look complicated on google maps but it's very hilly terrain and the most logical route would be from Watson St into Yeo, into Premier into Montpelier, then Eaton, Rawson and across Kurruba Rd into Anderson Park, with the Clark Rd shops opposite. Anderson Park has easy access to the harbour where he may have washed himself up before heading back up to his home in Spruson St. Theses street at this time of night would be very quiet and he may not have even crossed paths with anyone.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Thanks for the article.

It contains this little nugget -

Police will allege Daniel Jack Kelsall followed Huxley to a busy intersection and struck up a conversation. Homicide detectives believe Kelsall, 20, was hoping the pair would engage in some form of sexual activity.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOJhpTvy

That is, the intersection Morgan was standing at on his way home from the pub.

The perp ran and caught up to him and then engaged him in conversation.

Morgan wasn't meeting anyone...he was walking home!!!!!!

The guy thought/hoped he was going to be able to seduce Morgan (fantasy in his head goes this way) and things turned very nasty when he couldn't.

We all know how stalkers think - any attention at all means they love me back! Even if it's a drunken "yeah gidday mate" at the lights....:sick:

 

[SapphireSteel]

There were reports police were viewing footage from the Clarke Rd shops and Anderson Park opposite. It may look complicated on google maps but it's very hilly terrain and the most logical route would be from Watson St into Yeo, into Premier into Montpelier, then Eaton, Rawson and across Kurruba Rd into Anderson Park, with the Clark Rd shops opposite. Anderson Park has easy access to the harbour where he may have washed himself up before heading back up to his home in Spruson St. Theses street at this time of night would be very quiet and he may not have even crossed paths with anyone.

I live in a large urban area and I swear I could walk down the street in the middle of the day in my particular burb covered in blood and no one would see anything. It's like a bunch of zombies live here...its very, very quiet, almost deserted.

:twocents:

 

[Yeawell]

New article today.

Morgan Huxley's last moments: inside the case that gripped Sydney


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

Thanks for that link. That article refers to the book as a "worn" copy, as I said before I think that this points to an obsession with the story itself. I think the book is much more important than just a security item.

I also find it interesting how in every article I've seen every mention of sex is written as "police believe" not actually told to police by DK. I wonder if it's possible that with DK being gay and they think there was some sexual activity in MH room (with a male or a female) if the police have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5...

 

[Nikki_2]

Excuse my ignorance, if MH & DK had found each other lets say on one of these hook up sites,
would there be some kind of trail ?

What I am asking if a person marks/saves someones ( MH/DK) profile on there, is it possible that they still have it, even if the police have taken down MH or DK's profile

specifically asking about these gay sites, not fb, twitter

There could be a person/s with whom one of these men had been in contact with before or know of them, I don't really know how that site works,

 

[Nikki_2]

Thanks for that link. That article refers to the book as a "worn" copy, as I said before I think that this points to an obsession with the story itself. I think the book is much more important than just a security item.

I also find it interesting how in every article I've seen every mention of sex is written as "police believe" not actually told to police by DK. I wonder if it's possible that with DK being gay and they think there was some sexual activity in MH room (with a male or a female) if the police have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5...

Interesting & puzzling with the book, I thought at first that he might have purchased it s/h - I noticed in one of the photo's that the pages seemed old, worn & discoloured, I know think that he might have received that book from someone to him who was dear or close in someway, he might have been carrying that book in his satchel constantly & not just or not knives at all, noone has reported actually seeing any knives or actuall cooking stuff in that satchel

 

[MsAnais]

This is highly plausable. I can't say being romantically linked with 14 women at the same time makes me think he qualifies as a top bloke. If he had a relationship with DK he could well have been using him.

However, if that was the case and DK snapped then I would expect far of the 28 blows to have landed.

I completely agree with all that has just been said. There may well be more complexity to this case than just the 'loser stalker'.

I'm not wishing to vilify MH in any way, but I do question excessively glorifying him.

The fact is, we know nothing about either of them really. We're making assumptions based on little bits we've deduced and from their looks. I suspect there's far more to MH than just the Aussie bloke with lots of girls. What is with the internet café visits?

It could also be speculated that a man with 14 different women on the go may have some issues of his own.

Just my opinion :twocents:

 

[fruity]

There were reports police were viewing footage from the Clarke Rd shops and Anderson Park opposite. It may look complicated on google maps but it's very hilly terrain and the most logical route would be from Watson St into Yeo, into Premier into Montpelier, then Eaton, Rawson and across Kurruba Rd into Anderson Park, with the Clark Rd shops opposite. Anderson Park has easy access to the harbour where he may have washed himself up before heading back up to his home in Spruson St. Theses street at this time of night would be very quiet and he may not have even crossed paths with anyone.

I wonder if he lobbed the knife into the harbour.

 

[AJM86]

From the article: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOJhpTvy

As Morgan Huxley took what would be his final steps, a figure walks 100 metres behind him. A man dressed in chequered pants and a long-sleeved black chef's jacket starts to quicken his pace.
When he reaches the Oaks Hotel on Military Road in Neutral Bay, he breaks into a jog. Then he runs. The ginger-haired man is carrying a satchel over his shoulder and catches up to Huxley, who is waiting at a set of traffic lights.

Snip

Barefoot and dressed in a pale blue T-shirt and shorts, Huxley walks up the stairs of the Oaks' Ben Boyd Road entrance at 1.01am.

After leaving the bar about 1.30am he stands on the pavement opposite Crust Gourmet Pizza Bar for several minutes. He does not talk to anyone.
Hard to miss at 189 centimetres tall, the former Hunters Hill High student turned on to busy Military Road, headed for his unit less than 100 metres away.

Police will allege Daniel Jack Kelsall followed Huxley to a busy intersection and struck up a conversation. Homicide detectives believe Kelsall, 20, was hoping the pair would engage in some form of sexual activity.

To me this sounds more like MH left the house barefoot to go and meet DJK as arranged. He's no where to be seen so he grabs a beer while he waits, getting fed up with the no show of DJK, he paces up and down outside a few times, gives up and heads home. DJK then finally comes along, see MH ahead and runs up to him.

Why else would you just run up to a stranger?

 

[Nikki_2]

I wonder if he lobbed the knife into the harbour.

Do we know if the weapon is a knife at all

 

[AJM86]

I wonder if he lobbed the knife into the harbour.

Certainly a possibility isn't it?

 

[fruity]

Do we know if the weapon is a knife at all

Police told gardeners at DJK's property to call them if they found a knife.

POLICE are still looking for the weapon used in Morgan Huxley's murder.

Homicide detectives yesterday asked two men working in the garden of a Neutral Bay unit complex to "keep an eye out" for a knife, moments after they arrested his accused killer.

The two gardeners, who witnessed detectives escorting Daniel Jack Kelsall, 20, from his home, said police asked them to let them know if they found a knife in the Spruson St unit complex grounds.

"He just said to ring North Sydney police station if we found it," one gardener said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-e6frg6n6-1226734536862#sthash.znSGFHHP.dpuf

 

[Ausgirl]

WOW. Well, a few new-ish snippets and confirmations from that article. I won't post quotes, as I'll break the 10% TOS but I'll paraphrase and reference...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

-- The part about DJK walking.. speeding up... and then running to catch up with Morgan was really interesting...

-- DJK doesn't start running til he reaches the pub - was he not wanting to be seen chasing Morgan?

-- And the police WERE !!! being tricksy with the woman suspect stuff - it sounds like DJK was their -only- suspect for several weeks!

-- The links to NZ were spot on! Go fruity! (the person 'fruity' I mean - I'm not suggesting .. nevermind.)

-- I'm going to quote this bit (bbm):

While Huxley was almost a permanent fixture at the Oaks Hotel, Kelsall spent every day at a cluster of takeaway shops across the road.

Every single employee at Crust Pizza, Thai-in-a-box, Paddy's Pies and Curry Palace on Ben Boyd Road remembered a ginger-haired loner who was never without a paperback novel in hand.

He would often dine by himself and always carried his “chef kit” with him.

^^^^ "Spent every day" - how much of every day? For how long? Did he just do the rounds of the shops, while pretending to be at work? I sooo wanna go up there and speak to those shop owners...

Curiouser and curiouser.