GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #3

[SouthAussie]

Apparently MH was stabbed three times in the left side of his neck, not so much the throat. Perhaps DJK had a flick knife or similar in his pocket. Carried it around for protection or whatever. Lots of young guys seem to carry that kind of stuff around.

Yes, it would have been the side of the neck, wouldn't it? To hit a major vein - major enough for a fairly fast bleed-out. Court documents say that the stabbing attack and theft of money happened around 2:55am or so. And we know that the stabbing attack could have taken less than one minute.

If that is the case, it sounds as though Morgan bled out enough to go into cardiac arrest in less than 10 minutes ... probably even in 5 minutes.

Perhaps Dr W would know ..... if Morgan was attacked at around 2:55am, and paramedics arrived at 3:05am with Morgan being in cardiac arrest ... would that mean injury to a major vein, or an artery?

And as the wounds were to the left side, as reported, a right-handed person could have been facing Morgan during the attack. A Morgan who was perhaps at a lower height than him while being stabbed in the neck, a Morgan who then may have toppled forward and to the right a bit (perhaps curling into that foetal/fetal, defense position - I think it was reported early in the piece that was the position he was found in, and on the floor) and the attack continued. Horrible ....


"He was bleeding heavily in his bedroom and wearing only a T-shirt. A paramedic said he suffered stab and slash wounds to his neck and left side."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arres...bbing-death-20131008-2v50s.html#ixzz2hyOTa16P

 

[enzeder]

yw SouthAussie - It was in the article that you linked. I knew it was somewhere online because I'd actually read that bit about walking "back and forth" recently when I was reading old articles. It does sound like MH may have been waiting to see if someone showed up. imo

ETA - Be interesting to know what showed up on MH cell-phone records. It wasn't taken by DJK which kinda tells me that he didn't feel the need to take that as well; that nothing in the records could be traced back to him?. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

I wondered this too - and I wondered how they were able to charge DJK with larceny (stealing cash) as well.

I think the cash must have had something identifiable on it from MH - either his fingerprints or blood / dna - blood though, more likely.

So, I think the cash, the weapon and even DJK's glasses may have been inside the satchel, where a MH blood/dna transference happened - Especially if the weapon had been placed inside the satchel after use.
Its not said that the blood on the satchel was inside or outside of it.
There maybe more objects with MH's dna on them that Police haven't found.

DJK would only have to touch his glasses, orr the glasses went into the satchel for blood to have been caught under the frame somewhere.
jmho.

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Thanks FigTree. I assumed that blood being found on the satchel meant on the outside ... but you are right, could have been on the inside. DJK may have wiped his satchel down, washed his glasses off, removed the visible blood - but we all know minute traces can be found in hard-to-clean and not-visible places such as folds, screws, seams, hinges.

I wonder if his glasses got broken, maybe Morgan did try to fight back and knocked DJK's glasses off, or maybe they fell off during the attack and were damaged. Is that why DJK wasn't wearing them when they were found by police? And why he had to wear prescription sunglasses until a new pair were ready.

 

[sarahlund]

Or could MH have been lying down on his right side?

 

[sarahlund]

Yes - thank you!! And that is the reason that we were speculating that Morgan may have been waiting for someone. Or making himself seen by someone. Or deciding whether or not to continue on to somewhere else.

I'm pretty sure I remember information about pacing but when I went back to check where I also found the article about him waiting for a few minutes on the corner outside the Oaks after it closed. Even on a Saturday night that part of Neutral Bay is pretty dead at 1.30am (I've been to the Oaks a lot over the years). Also, remember MH wasn't wearing any shoes so he was very limited in where he could head to besides home.

 

[SouthAussie]

Or could MH have been lying down on his right side?

Could have been sarahlund ... we really don't have enough info to know for sure.

But I think some of us are thinking that he wasn't laying down because he was found on the floor. And as he didn't appear to have been able to defend himself, some of us are also thinking that he was incapacitated pretty quickly so may not have been able to move off the bed if he was laying down. Though he could have fallen to the floor if he was sitting on the side of the bed.


"Morgan Huxley was found on his bedroom floor after being stabbed and slashed 28 times in the upper body early on Sunday morning, police say."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-sydney-murder

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm pretty sure I remember information about pacing but when I went back to check where I also found the article about him waiting for a few minutes on the corner outside the Oaks after it closed. Even on a Saturday night that part of Neutral Bay is pretty dead at 1.30am (I've been to the Oaks a lot over the years). Also, remember MH wasn't wearing any shoes so he was very limited in where he could head to besides home.

I guess he could have done both ... a little pacing ... a little standing and waiting.

That's what I do when I am waiting for my mates outside a restaurant.

I personally don't think he was heading anywhere else but home ... and I also think he initially waited for someone, or wanted to be seen by someone who may have been lurking or working nearby.

 

[Strangeworld]

:seeya::seeya: Hiya everyone!

Just caught up.

Oh...the shoelaces :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Good to see some new names - welcome! And congrats on getting verified Isis!

Speaking of DJK not disappointing his parents .... I was wondering earlier today if DJK’s parents spoke to him about the murder – perhaps after he was initially questioned by police, or perhaps after they saw stains on his satchel, perhaps cuts on his hands, they knew he had been out late that night, didn't come right home after work, perhaps he was acting very nervous – jumping every time there was a knock at the door.

Perhaps they said ‘if you have anything to do with this, or know who did, you should call the police’. It could have prompted DJK's call, and his info about seeing a girl enter Morgan's flat.

I keep thinking about his father’s comment about having nothing further to say at this time, but maybe later (or something to that effect).

You could be onto something SouthAussie. This would make a lot of sense. I wonder what the family dynamics were. Were they close enough to notice a change in his behaviour? Did he do his own washing/ironing? Did his parents know how he spent his days/nights?

 

[sarahlund]

I keep thinking about his father’s comment about having nothing further to say at this time, but maybe later (or something to that effect).

I do too. His parents showed great humility in keeping the focus on MH as the victim and how sad the events are. I think DJK probably has history of mental illness and either they are for now keeping the focus on MH (as the victim) or not wanting it to interfere with his court case - probably a bit of both.

 

[FigTree]

Thanks FigTree. I assumed that blood being found on the satchel meant on the outside ... but you are right, could have been on the inside. DJK may have wiped his satchel down, washed his glasses off, removed the visible blood - but we all know minute traces can be found in hard-to-clean and not-visible places such as folds, screws, seams, hinges.

I wonder if his glasses got broken, maybe Morgan did try to fight back and knocked DJK's glasses off, or maybe they fell off during the attack and were damaged. Is that why DJK wasn't wearing them when they were found by police? And why he had to wear prescription sunglasses until a new pair were ready.

And yes, his glasses may have been damaged in some way.
I also wondered if he took his glasses off (or couldn't wear them) when he left MH unit. If word got out very quickly DJK may have thought Police were looking for someone with glasses - though the check/patterned chef pants would have been a give-away ...

I wonder if he was wearing prescription sunglasses to hide bruises or cuts or swelling around the eyes too?

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[Trixie Belden82]

Guys, my theory regarding the mystery of the theft of cash, is that he stole MH and JRs kitty money (for milk/bread/toilet paper/sundries) from the kitchen, probably kept in plain view on top of the fridge etc. (Going on my despairingly vast experience of house sharing)

 

[Ausgirl]

The reports said police thought Morgan was "sitting or lying down" when attacked - I assume this was due to there being blood on or around the bed which indicated so.

Re Morgan standing outside the pub -- if DJK was lurking about in that laneway with a full view of the pub, why didn't he approach Morgan from there? <modsnip>
But Morgan walks off, toward home, and DJK doesn't follow right way, he's seen trailing Morgan at about 100m back (ie, still at the corner of the pub) and then bolts to catch up with M at the lights. Maybe it took him a while to get his courage up.

M clearly wasn't worried about being seen with DJK, or he'd not have spoken to him at the side of the busy road, where anyone could see if they were driving past.. <modsnip>

<modsnip> It doesn't seem odd at all, if I think of it as DJK nervously engineering a meeting. It just seems pretty plain to me that DJK was indeed 'lurking' and saw his opportunity.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Congratulations, Isis! Verified! You have been... And will continue to be a great source for WB!

so many good suggestion/theories about DJK's glasses... When they were found... Where they were found... And in what condition they were found by LE...

I feel DJK's father's statement was so touching... As he kept the focus on MH...

as a poster said... Maybe DJK's parents did have knowledge of of his mental state... And could have been very concerned where it could lead...

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

A couple of random thoughts/questions/etc...

<modsnip>

I, too, am very puzzled why the LE did not have DJK's DNA sample prior to the court hearing on Tuesday? seems they had plenty of evidence to do so prior to the time DJK was arrested...

But... I admit... I am certainly no expert...

JMO...

Oops! sorry, Marleywings! Glad you are here to keep me on the level...:seeya:

 

[Trixie Belden82]

Very good analogy Figtree. LOL. I alluded to the same scenario a while back but you put it so much better than me. :rockon:



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With all due respect to my respected fellow sleuths, I don't see this scenario. Reason being, why would the alleged killer fly into a rage at the moment his victim was "tying his shoe laces".

I don't buy it. I think its more likely that the killer tied his victims shoelaces, then was politely asked to leave, and took issue with this request. However, I don't have any real idea, and do not get the lack of defense wounds.

:twocents: Thanks for the recognition re: the extremely disturbing Daily news video, I thought I'd had a nightmare

 

[marlywings]

Ok folks this will be the last reminder on this...if you continue to post about possible meetups/homosexual tendencies, your entire post will be removed, not just snipped. If you go with the following you can't go wrong.

8 Oct 2013

Acting Commander Angelo Memmolo says it does not appear the arrested man knew Mr Huxley.

"At this stage we can't find any relationship at all."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-08/man-arrested-over-murder-of-morgan-huxley/5008474

Homicide detectives have described Huxley as ''popular with the ladies'' and have never suggested he had homosexual tendencies.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/huxleys-a...sources-say-20131012-2vf60.html#ixzz2hWKaLMRp

 

[SouthAussie]

Wasn't it Dr Petherick who hypothesised that Morgan was laying down or sitting? I didn't think the police had given their view on the matter yet.


"Associate Professor of Criminology at Queensland's Bond University, Dr Wayne Petherick, has told The Daily Telegraph that his injuries indicate the killing was "very deliberate and very angry" and Mr Huxley was lying or sitting when lunged at."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/09/22/08/32/morgan-huxley-aroused-before-death-police-claim

 

[Trixie Belden82]

Ok folks this will be the last reminder on this...if you continue to post about possible meetups/homosexual tendencies, your entire post will be removed, not just snipped. If you go with the following you can't go wrong.

8 Oct 2013

Acting Commander Angelo Memmolo says it does not appear the arrested man knew Mr Huxley.

"At this stage we can't find any relationship at all."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-08/man-arrested-over-murder-of-morgan-huxley/5008474

Homicide detectives have described Huxley as ''popular with the ladies'' and have never suggested he had homosexual tendencies.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/huxleys-a...sources-say-20131012-2vf60.html#ixzz2hWKaLMRp

Sorry Marly Wings, I certainly did not intend to say the wrong thing, and it is a bit confusing with the changing MSM LE version of events, but I absolutely see your point, and will attempt to adhere from now on without any hypothesis/euphemisms.

 

[Trixie Belden82]

Sorry - OT reply - All I can hear is the Song of the Sirens on the highway
Relentless this afternoon.

My heart goes out to anyone affected today! The skies were so ominous over CBD Sydney today, black and blue windy with a blood red sci-fi sun

 

[SouthAussie]

My heart goes out to anyone affected today! The skies were so ominous over CBD Sydney today, black and blue windy with a blood red sci-fi sun

marly posted a spectacular photo of the smoke over Sydney CBD on the bushfire thread (post #34) ... well worth a look!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224443&page=2