GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #3

[Trixie Belden82]

marly posted a spectacular photo of the smoke over Sydney CBD on the bushfire thread (post #34) ... well worth a look!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224443&page=2

Thanks for that! I took some myself from office window, but that shot is award winning! Horrific conditions, I'm really terrified for what is to come this summer, and the next, and the next IYKWIM!

 

[Trixie Belden82]

Back OT, thank you for reminding us of our legal obligations Marley Wings, as I am very keen for MH to receive the appropriate justice as an innocent victim in this appalling case. I have no interest in joking/LOLing about euphemisms, sorry to sound "holier than thou". I think the actions/words to date reported in MSM of the alleged killer's behaviour possibly indicate a highly intelligent mind, and what I am most interested in, is the weapon. What was it, from whence it came, where is it now etc.etc.

 

[Ausgirl]

Sorry, Marly - I was actually trying to present an alternate theory, but I can certainly do so without mentioning those things.

Hoping everyone's safe in the affected fire danger regions.

 

[SouthAussie]

Looking at the timeline a little more closely … these reports say that detectives only spoke to DJK for the first time about a week before he was arrested ... and only days before he contacted them and evidently put himself squarely on their radar! He was arrested 8th October. Maybe speaking with local businesses about DJK made them think he wasn’t that much of a suspect initially? He was quiet, he was working that night, that was the way he walked home.


“Detectives first spoke with Kelsall about a week before he was arrested and charged with murder ….
However, while detectives were continuing with their murder investigation, and before they were in a position to speak with Kelsall a second time, it will be alleged he contacted them with other details of what took place that night.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ac...ad-his-last-beer/story-fnii5s3y-1226739920271


"The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Kelsall had already been interviewed by police, days before he contacted them to say he had engaged in sexual activity with Huxley the night of the fatal stabbing."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ad-his-last-beer/story-fni0cx12-1226739920271


So that is probably why they didn't have his DNA before ... they hadn't spoken to him yet. And even when they did speak with him, they didn't regard him seriously enough to ask for DNA? Or he refused?

 

[FigTree]

Looking at the timeline a little more closely … these reports say that detectives only spoke to DJK for the first time about a week before he was arrested ... and only days before he contacted them and evidently put himself squarely on their radar! He was arrested 8th October. Maybe speaking with local businesses about DJK made them think he wasn’t that much of a suspect initially? He was quiet, he was working that night, that was the way he walked home.


“Detectives first spoke with Kelsall about a week before he was arrested and charged with murder ….
However, while detectives were continuing with their murder investigation, and before they were in a position to speak with Kelsall a second time, it will be alleged he contacted them with other details of what took place that night.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ac...ad-his-last-beer/story-fnii5s3y-1226739920271


"The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Kelsall had already been interviewed by police, days before he contacted them to say he had engaged in sexual activity with Huxley the night of the fatal stabbing."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ad-his-last-beer/story-fni0cx12-1226739920271


So that is probably why they didn't have his DNA before ... they hadn't spoken to him yet. And even when they did speak with him, they didn't regard him seriously enough to ask for DNA? Or he refused?

As many people continued to speculate about which ''jilted lover'' had killed Huxley, Military Road business owners said they had known for some time that police were gathering evidence against a young, homosexual man. SMH 13 10 2013

I have a feeling Police had no DNA from anyone that night - they only had DNA from MH which made them come to the conclusions they did, and that was why they were looking for a female in the initial stages.
If DJK had not 'added' to his story in his 2nd contact with Police - they may still be looking to 'gather evidence' and not DNA (as there was no perp DNA to match anything to). It was MH's blood on DJK's things that were the evidence they needed to make an arrest - not his DNA. DJK became a suspect because of the CCTV footage.

Just my thoughts...

 

[SouthAussie]

As many people continued to speculate about which ''jilted lover'' had killed Huxley, Military Road business owners said they had known for some time that police were gathering evidence against a young, homosexual man. SMH 13 10 2013

I have a feeling Police had no DNA from anyone that night - they only had DNA from MH which made them come to the conclusions they did, and that was why they were looking for a female in the initial stages.
If DJK had not 'added' to his story in his 2nd contact with Police - they may still be looking to 'gather evidence' and not DNA (as there was no perp DNA to match anything to). It was MH's blood on DJK's things that were the evidence they needed to make an arrest - not his DNA. DJK became a suspect because of the CCTV footage.

Just my thoughts...

Yes ... I remember this report, though, that said police were asking for DNA from men and women - reported on 24th September. I guess that is why I thought they had some other unknown DNA from that night - possibly from any sexual activity that may have taken place that night or from a person last touching door handles, last handling a money jar or Morgan's wallet, or from someone else's blood, or something like that.


"Police would not reveal yesterday how many men or women had been asked to voluntarily provide a DNA sample which would then rule them in or out of the high-profile murder investigation.

It is understood some of the 14 women Mr Huxley was romantically linked to at the time of his death will be required to provide a DNA sample.

A forensic investigation of the crime scene revealed several DNA samples which are vital to the investigation and could identify his attacker."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-dna-murder-slue/story-fnii5qr7-1226725564135

 

[Ausgirl]

Just thinking aloud here.. The extremely short period of time that covers JR getting home, the attack on Morgan, and JR's discovery is doing my head in a bit.

I'm wondering things like - was Morgan attacked because JR came home and DJK freaked the heck out?

Did he already have the knife at Morgan's throat, when he heard her enter the apartment and panicked..?

Looking at the floor plans of the apartments, the bedrooms are pretty close to each other. So maybe DJK heard JR clumping up the stairs toward the bedrooms after her night out, and attacked Morgan then? Then he scarpered down the stairs and out, before JR heard (from her room? bathroom?) Morgan making weird sounds and went to check on him.

 

[enzeder]

Looking at the timeline a little more closely … these reports say that detectives only spoke to DJK for the first time about a week before he was arrested ... and only days before he contacted them and evidently put himself squarely on their radar! He was arrested 8th October. Maybe speaking with local businesses about DJK made them think he wasn’t that much of a suspect initially? He was quiet, he was working that night, that was the way he walked home.


“Detectives first spoke with Kelsall about a week before he was arrested and charged with murder ….
However, while detectives were continuing with their murder investigation, and before they were in a position to speak with Kelsall a second time, it will be alleged he contacted them with other details of what took place that night.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ac...ad-his-last-beer/story-fnii5s3y-1226739920271


"The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Kelsall had already been interviewed by police, days before he contacted them to say he had engaged in sexual activity with Huxley the night of the fatal stabbing."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ad-his-last-beer/story-fni0cx12-1226739920271


So that is probably why they didn't have his DNA before ... they hadn't spoken to him yet. And even when they did speak with him, they didn't regard him seriously enough to ask for DNA? Or he refused?

These MSM reports are quite confusing to say the least. I wonder why "Mr Deverall said that Mr Kelsall had to wear prescription sunglasses inside for the next two weeks because his glasses had been seized"? - Makes me wonder if was he wearing them because his regular ones were broken?.

"Homicide detectives interviewed Mr Kelsall at North Sydney police station about two weeks after Mr Huxley's death, later seizing his satchel and glasses for forensic testing.

Mr Deverall said that Mr Kelsall had to wear prescription sunglasses inside for the next two weeks because his glasses had been seized."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stabbing-...l-says-boss-20131014-2vix7.html#ixzz2i2K39vHG

 

[enzeder]

Looking at this video it appears to me that police entered MH courtyard from a side entrance?. You can see police walking down to a gate? then the next frame shows the courtyard.

Screen shots from this video.
http://video.news.ninemsn.com.au/?videoid=2676397054001&src=widget:suggestedVideos

 

[SouthAussie]

These MSM reports are quite confusing to say the least. I wonder why "Mr Deverall said that Mr Kelsall had to wear prescription sunglasses inside for the next two weeks because his glasses had been seized"? - Makes me wonder if was he wearing them because his regular ones were broken?.

"Homicide detectives interviewed Mr Kelsall at North Sydney police station about two weeks after Mr Huxley's death, later seizing his satchel and glasses for forensic testing.

Mr Deverall said that Mr Kelsall had to wear prescription sunglasses inside for the next two weeks because his glasses had been seized."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stabbing-...l-says-boss-20131014-2vix7.html#ixzz2i2K39vHG

There was only 4 wks (and 2 days) between Morgan's murder and the arrest of DJK. So I guess DJK's interview would have happened about the 2nd/3rd week mark, his phone call to police a few days later, his arrest a few days after that?

Everything about this murder is very fast. As Ausgirl said, it's a very short timeline for the actual attack/murder and discovery - then there was a very short timeline for the murder and arrest, and a very quick and brutal attack on Morgan.

The only thing that seems longish is between 1:30am and 2:50am, and what was happening with Morgan then .....

 

[enzeder]

I'm thinking that wall behind MH in this photo is the same wall you can see the police walking alongside (other side) in the above pic I posted?. Just trying to figure out where DJK made his escape.

Photo
Morgan Huxley (pointing) and some mates in the backyard of his Neutral Bay unit, where he was murdered.
http://www.news.com.au/national-new.../story-fnii5s3x-1226720513510?from=public_rss

 

[DrWatson]

Just thinking aloud here.. The extremely short period of time that covers JR getting home, the attack on Morgan, and JR's discovery is doing my head in a bit.
.

The one that keeps playing in my brain isn't so much that short time period - it's the much longer one between when Morgan left the pub (about 01:30) and when JR came home (about 02:50). What happened in that hour and 20 minutes?

Was the attack early in that time? Or was it late - just before, or even WHEN, JR arrived home? Or even after? And what did she hear, and when EXACTLY?

We know the 000 call was at 03:01 - and Morgan was still alive then (but we don't know if he was conscious). We know he was sufficiently alive when the paramedics arrived for them to start CPR, and that he died somewhere between there and the hospital, where he was declared deceased.

So - what DID happen in that hour or more between Morgan (and presumably DJK) arriving home at just after 01:30 and when JR arrived home? <modsnip>

 

[Jmbr]

The one that keeps playing in my brain isn't so much that short time period - it's the much longer one between when Morgan left the pub (about 01:30) and when JR came home (about 02:50). What happened in that hour and 20 minutes?

Was the attack early in that time? Or was it late - just before, or even WHEN, JR arrived home? Or even after? And what did she hear, and when EXACTLY?

We know the 000 call was at 03:01 - and Morgan was still alive then (but we don't know if he was conscious). We know he was sufficiently alive when the paramedics arrived for them to start CPR, and that he died somewhere between there and the hospital, where he was declared deceased.

So - what DID happen in that hour or more between Morgan (and presumably DJK) arriving home at just after 01:30 and when JR arrived home? <modsnip>

Yeah it's getting to me that I don't know the answer to this! Is there any chance that DJK was torturing, or messing with MH in that time (the slashes on his back)? Maybe MH was tied up somehow (not thinking sexually), or drugged. DJK could've been taking his time hurting Morgan, then JR got home, he finished him off and ran. He could've been cutting him and using that to force MH to tell him where there was money in the room?

It's a horrible thought...

 

[Crikey]

Hi everyone, great site here!!

My feeling as to why the police were so adamant that it was a booty call gone wrong is that MH was found wearing a condom. It would have had DNA on its outside presumably and due to his prowess with women the police would naturally have assumed it was female DNA.

My second observation I feel more strongly about. First, huge respect for the one who found his lamant profile. That led to the fan fiction profile which I believe is very telling, in which lamant says, 'I have recently been diagnosing with bi-poler deppresion.'
The grammar is wrong (diagnosing) and the misspelling of polar and depression to me show that despite his education DJK is well below average intelligence. This explains his bumbly call to the cops which in effect dobbed himself in, and also his love for the awful TV show Bones. What really saddened me were the quotes he then listed in his profile, eg 'We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.' DJK clearly felt marginalised and I guess this anger built up over time. Who better to take it out on than a popular guy like MH.

 

[Ausgirl]

I'm choosing to put some thought into alternate theories, for the moment.

The time between M leaving the pub "a little after 1.30" and the 000 call at 3.01 includes time M spent outside the pub ( a few minutes) plus time walking home (say, 5 mins or a little more) plus time for JR to hear Morgan, discover him, make her phone calls.. (10 mins as she apparently came home at 2:50 or so) so there's 20-25 mins shaved off it.

Around an hour, then, is unaccounted for time, as far as I can see.

And it actually could be less, as we don't know precisely when DJK attacked Morgan.

Seeing as police appear to be looking at angles that don't involve consensual gay sex <modsnip>, I'm trying to think of alternate theories as to how, in that approximate hour, DJK might have ended up in Morgan's room upstairs.

Until the cops say otherwise, that's what we have to work with.

 

[Ausgirl]

:welcome: Crikey -- I'm betting you're an Aussie.

 

[MsAnais]

Hi everyone, great site here!!

My feeling as to why the police were so adamant that it was a booty call gone wrong is that MH was found wearing a condom. It would have had DNA on its outside presumably and due to his prowess with women the police would naturally have assumed it was female DNA.

My second observation I feel more strongly about. First, huge respect for the one who found his lamant profile. That led to the fan fiction profile which I believe is very telling, in which lamant says, 'I have recently been diagnosing with bi-poler deppresion.'
The grammar is wrong (diagnosing) and the misspelling of polar and depression to me show that despite his education DJK is well below average intelligence. This explains his bumbly call to the cops which in effect dobbed himself in, and also his love for the awful TV show Bones. What really saddened me were the quotes he then listed in his profile, eg 'We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.' DJK clearly felt marginalised and I guess this anger built up over time. Who better to take it out on than a popular guy like MH.

Hi Crikey!! Great to have a new person aboard!! :welcome5:

Whilst I agree with what you've said about DJK's feelings of marginalisation and building anger, I don't think we can necessarily equate his poor spelling and grammar with low IQ.

Due to his psychiatric or emotional state, he may well have a learning disorder and have struggled with formal schooling, but it doesn't automatically mean that he is of below average intelligence.

He apparently reads really thick novels - he may just be shocking at spelling/writing himself......

 

[Ausgirl]

^ though the comment re "Bones" made me lol a bit. It really is a pretty dreadful show..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Hi everyone, great site here!!

My feeling as to why the police were so adamant that it was a booty call gone wrong is that MH was found wearing a condom. It would have had DNA on its outside presumably and due to his prowess with women the police would naturally have assumed it was female DNA.

My second observation I feel more strongly about. First, huge respect for the one who found his lamant profile. That led to the fan fiction profile which I believe is very telling, in which lamant says, 'I have recently been diagnosing with bi-poler deppresion.'
The grammar is wrong (diagnosing) and the misspelling of polar and depression to me show that despite his education DJK is well below average intelligence. This explains his bumbly call to the cops which in effect dobbed himself in, and also his love for the awful TV show Bones. What really saddened me were the quotes he then listed in his profile, eg 'We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.' DJK clearly felt marginalised and I guess this anger built up over time. Who better to take it out on than a popular guy like MH.

:wagon: CRIKEY .. top name!

The second part of his lamant profile is a copy / paste .. I have seen that around the web a bit .. so the whole 'I am the girl...' stuff, but yes it is still a sad profile page.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Guys, my theory regarding the mystery of the theft of cash, is that he stole MH and JRs kitty money (for milk/bread/toilet paper/sundries) from the kitchen, probably kept in plain view on top of the fridge etc. (Going on my despairingly vast experience of house sharing)

Or maybe he stole his whole wallet as a memento?