Deceased/Not Found AUSTRALIA - Ms Lesley Trotter, 78, Homicide, Brisbane, 28 Mar 2023

[Marg944]

But what do they mean by ”When seen in that general waste bin outside her unit complex”
They make it sound like a person actually saw her body in the bin,maybe before it was emptied?

As Tootsie has said, it could be from CCTV that they have seen her. Police have not stated it, but video seems to be the only solution, once you piece their wording together.

“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of Tuesday, the 28th of March this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin,” he said.

“It was evident she was deceased. Due to the positioning of the body, we can’t rule out foul play.

“Later that morning that bin was collected by a rubbish truck.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/police-canvass-possible-recycling-habit-angst-amid-probe-into-missing-womans-death/news-story/28e26edd18512ec298fb735a982cba49

 

[mussopossum]

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Why do the reports keep stating police can't rule out her death as suspicious?

If she ended up in a wheelie bin, garbage truck, and then the tip, I am not sure how else it could be an accident. Unless she climbed in the bin herself intentionally which I doubt, why do they keep reporting this way? Is it just poor reporting or intentional?

 

[SouthAussie]

The visions they see on the cameras inside a rubbish truck are pretty clear.

To me, it seems they would have been able to have a good look at Lesley (when they found the right frame in the recording) - in whatever position, condition, and clothes she was in.




9 News Queensland, 20 August 2020

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks South, that is very clear vision.

 

[SouthAussie]

They might also have been able to identify items around Lesley, in the rubbish truck camera recording, so when they come across a crushed item that seems the same, they might hope they are close to where Lesley is in the landfill.

Different markers, so to speak.

 

[Marg944]

The visions they see on the cameras inside a rubbish truck are pretty clear.

To me, it seems they would have been able to have a good look at Lesley (when they found the right frame in the recording) - in whatever position, condition, and clothes she was in.


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9 News Queensland, 20 August 2020

Great view SA.
And here is another view once inside the truck....

 

[Plover99]

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[LacieL]

“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of Tuesday, the 28th of March this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin,” he said.

“It was evident she was deceased. Due to the positioning of the body, we can’t rule out foul play.

“Later that morning that bin was collected by a rubbish truck.”

Reading this again it reads as though her body was located in the bin before the bin was collected. If she was first located on the CCTV it would make more sense to say she was located during the collection or when footage of collection was reviewed. Not that she was located and then later that morning the bin was collected.

It could just be a quirk in how they have chosen to communicate it. Or they are trying to keep the sources of information deliberately vague at the moment.

The more I read it though, the more it reads to me as though she was located before the truck did the collection.

 

[Marg944]

I had a closer look at this video. The gentleman (I assume is a Detective) is very cautious entering the doorway of Lesley's unit, as if he is wanting to preserve the area. This is where it is blocked off with police tape nearby. The section to watch is at 1.14 on the video.

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[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder if they asked others in her unit complex about the waste they had collected that day and was there anything distinctive in their waste that may let them know they were close to Lesley's waste, or would it just have all gotten too mixed up to pinpoint

And like South posted, they can see other items near Lesley.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Police continue search for missing woman Lesley Trotter's body

Police are continuing their search through 3000 tonnes of waste in the hopes of finding the body of Brisbane teacher Lesley Trotter.

www.watoday.com.au

Video. Close-up of the search.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Police search Lesley Trotter after body dumped in Toowong wheelie bin and lost in landfill

It will not be a simple task.

The day Ms Trotter went missing six B-double loads of garbage were moved to landfill sites.

Rubbish collection continued for another 14 days, with another 300 truckloads disposed at the Nudgee transfer station alone.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Search for Brisbane woman continues at waste facility near Ipswich

The search for missing Brisbane woman Lesley Trotter has begun at a Swanbank waste facility. The retired teacher disappeared last month, and her body is believed to have wound up in a wheelie bin. Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham spoke today at a press conference, saying the search...

www.4bc.com.au

Radio 4BC 5.18min Audio


This audio says the CCTV showed Lesley going feet first into the truck.

 

[Plover99]

Search for Brisbane woman continues at waste facility near Ipswich

The search for missing Brisbane woman Lesley Trotter has begun at a Swanbank waste facility. The retired teacher disappeared last month, and her body is believed to have wound up in a wheelie bin. Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham spoke today at a press conference, saying the search...

www.4bc.com.au

Radio 4BC 5.18min Audio


This audio says the CCTV showed Lesley going feet first into the truck.

I can’t help wondering if the announcer added the bit about going feet first into the truck, without knowing it for sure. How would he have that information?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I can’t help wondering if the announcer added the bit about going feet first into the truck himself, without knowing it for sure. How would he have that information?

I wondered that too.
I've read and listened to lots of different news outlets re Lesley and none of them mention the position the body was in, either in the bin or when it went into the truck.

It could be possible he did get that information.

One thing about being feet first.

If someone was arrested and there wasn't enough evidence against them, they could say she fell into the bin while searching through it. Especially if she was head down in the bin.

That doesn''t account for the blood though.

 

[iamshadow21]

This is going to sound horrific, so my apologies. But given the loads were compressed, wouldn't everything be together?

Here goes, I'm going to be blunt. High pressure from the compressor and action from the graders onsite at the dump can dismember a body. If she was in rigor, it would be more likely to happen, because her body would be rigid and would shear when force was applied. That said, her body would probably still be in large pieces. Smaller pieces, like her hands and feet, may be difficult to find. Her torso and the larger parts of her limbs should be relatively intact. The big problem they are facing apart from the complexities and dangers of searching that volume of rubbish is that the conditions particular to a dump hasten decomposition. They're running against the clock to find soft tissues and a body that is somewhat articulated, not just bones.

MOO

 

[SLouTh]

That doesn''t account for the blood though.

What blood?? Have I missed an update today?

The blood that was found has not been tested forensically.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...r/news-story/3089e409da0a21f79a00d7dba42ceb54

 

[TootsieFootsie]

What blood?? Have I missed an update today?

Nothing new about the blood.
I meant if the blood found is Lesley's

 

[SLouTh]

Nothing new about the blood.
I meant if the blood found is Lesley's

My understanding of the Massingham Presser was that he ruled it out as Lesley’s blood….. but he didn’t rule it out of the investigation… meaning it could still be relevant if it belonged to the perpetrator …

IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Every time I post that I still think it might have been a terrible accident, someone always says, but what about the blood.
The last time was just a few days ago.

But now I think they could see from the truck camera that it had to be more than just falling in the bin.