Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[Catmommy]

Exactly

 

[Sher Lock]

Nope, not even close. I really mean (OK I'll come out and say it) if noone else at all heard it, how do we know that Friend and Wife aren't making it up? JMO, MOO, and all that.

Ah ha!! Now I get it. ha ha.

I guess we'd have to assume the call was verified by the police early on in the investigations. The other thing is, what would RA's motive be?
Are you suggesting that maybe RA & Robyn were in cahoots somehow?

 

[Sher Lock]

Nope, not even close. I really mean (OK I'll come out and say it) if noone else at all heard it, how do we know that Friend and Wife aren't making it up? JMO, MOO, and all that.

Ah ha!! Now I get it. ha ha.

I guess we'd have to assume the call was verified by the police early on in the investigations. The other thing is, what would RA's motive be?
Are you suggesting that maybe RA & Robyn were in cahoots somehow?

 

[Catmommy]

How would a radio call be verified? Other listeners? Who didn't come forward in the first place?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm pretty sure what you posted originally did not go over anyone's head.

Nope, not even close. I really mean (OK I'll come out and say it) if noone else at all heard it, how do we know that Friend and Wife aren't making it up? JMO, MOO, and all that.

 

[Kemug]

As long as it's not impossible, then it's a possible, right?

 

[SouthAussie]

.... did anyone apart from RA and RH hear Russell's last radio call?

We have no way of knowing who else was listening and was able to confirm (no doubt, the police know) ... but any ham radio operator anywhere who tuned in to that frequency would have been able to hear the call.

My ham radio friend sits and listens to conversations all over the world, every day.
Sometimes he joins in (if it is not impolite to do so), sometimes he places the callouts himself.

I did notice in Google searches that there were at least a couple of ham radio clubs who were speaking about Russell and Carol being missing on their forums. Alerting their members and giving Russell's identifying call sign.

Radio amateur and friend missing in Victoria | Southgate Amateur Radio News
The Wireless Institute of Australia

 

[trixie_au]

... but any ham radio operator anywhere who tuned in to that frequency would have been able to hear the call

And providing they were so inclined to do so, be able to figure out exactly where the broadcast was being transmitted from..

 

[SouthAussie]

And providing they were so inclined to do so, be able to figure out exactly where the broadcast was being transmitted from..

Only if Russell stated exactly where he was at that time ... which I think he must have, seeing that they said he was at Wonnangatta Station.

When I was outback travelling with my ham radio friend last year (he had a portable ham radio with him), I would be driving along and he would be tuning into conversations. There was no way of knowing where the people were who were speaking, just that they were within range of the relay station.

The range can be a huge one, depending on their antenna and equipment. He can listen to people from all over the world, when he is on his home ham radio setup.

All they do is identify themselves by call sign. Then there is a website that you can go to, to see who the call sign is registered to (then you can see whereabouts they live).

 

[trixie_au]

This has been bugging me, and I can’t find it being addressed anywhere (sorry if it has been!) but can someone explain the following pic for me, please? I’ve seen this a couple of times now in Ch9 articles.
Is this *THE* white dual cab ute they’re looking for? Where did this pic come from? And if it is, then it’s absolute rubbish that the police don’t know who was driving it.

And for those who know the area, these guys are camped just up from the old suspension bridge that is spike anchored to that huge old dead tree. Last year when this all happened, I was told that RH & CC were camped in the small clearing on the right, just down dry creek track, but according to the caption of this pic, ch9 seem to think they were camped here. But that doesn’t seem to make sense, and why are they using this pic? Can anyone pinpoint on a map for me where you believe, or better still know, where RH’s camp was set up please?

 

[trixie_au]

Only if Russell stated exactly where he was at that time ... which I think he must have, seeing that they said he was at Wonnangatta Station.

When I was outback travelling with my ham radio friend last year (he had a portable ham radio with him), I would be driving along and he would be tuning into conversations. There was no way of knowing where the people were who were speaking, just that they were within range of the relay station.

The range can be a huge one, depending on their antenna and equipment. He can listen to people from all over the world, when he is on his home ham radio setup.

All they do is identify themselves by call sign. Then there is a website that you can go to, to see who the call sign is registered to (then you can see whereabouts they live).

But if they were into Fox Hunting and had the know-how then they could find them even if RH didn’t identify themselves. But I get your point, RH did apparently send his transmission from Won. But it varies between news reports as to whether he transmitted from ‘Wonnangatta Station’ or the ‘Wonnangatta Valley’. Some are saying Station, and that he then moved on to his eventual campsite, but I think it’s more likely to just be the Won Valley and that he was already at his intended campsite.

 

[SouthAussie]

But if they were into Fox Hunting and had the know-how then they could find them even if RH didn’t identify themselves. But I get your point, RH did apparently send his transmission from Won. But it varies between news reports as to whether he transmitted from ‘Wonnangatta Station’ or the ‘Wonnangatta Valley’. Some are saying Station, and that he then moved on to his eventual campsite, but I think it’s more likely to just be the Won Valley and that he was already at his intended campsite.

I don't get what you mean by 'the know how'. How does a person trace a radio signal?

It is not like a digital mobile phone signal that is captured and stored on a tower, it is just a radio wave through the air that is magnified for a while by an area radio antenna/relay station and is not captured or stored.


They may know that Russell was at Wonnangatta Station because perhaps that is where ham radio operators can do a radio transmission. In an area as remote as that, I doubt that people can just transmit from anywhere.
This became apparent to me when I was travelling with my friend. There are loads of places where you can't get anything but a crackly sound. You have to be near a radio wave relay station.

 

[Marchalot]

It's not just that nobody has come forward, it's ppl who knew they had family members up that way that weekend and maybe haven't come forward. Did a family member come back that weekend acting weird and quiet. Someone would be questioning it or hiding it

 

[srper2]

I don't get what you mean by 'the know how'. How does a person trace a radio signal?

It is not like a digital mobile phone signal that is captured and stored on a tower, it is just a radio wave through the air that is magnified for a while by an area radio antenna/relay station and is not captured or stored.


They may know that Russell was at Wonnangatta Station because perhaps that is where ham radio operators can do a radio transmission. In an area as remote as that, I doubt that people can just transmit from anywhere.
This became apparent to me when I was travelling with my friend. There are loads of places where you can't get anything but a crackly sound. You have to be near a radio wave relay station.

There is infinite info online about how to triangulate radio transmissions.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

This has been bugging me, and I can’t find it being addressed anywhere (sorry if it has been!) but can someone explain the following pic for me, please? I’ve seen this a couple of times now in Ch9 articles.
Is this *THE* white dual cab ute they’re looking for? Where did this pic come from? And if it is, then it’s absolute rubbish that the police don’t know who was driving it.

And for those who know the area, these guys are camped just up from the old suspension bridge that is spike anchored to that huge old dead tree. Last year when this all happened, I was told that RH & CC were camped in the small clearing on the right, just down dry creek track, but according to the caption of this pic, ch9 seem to think they were camped here. But that doesn’t seem to make sense, and why are they using this pic? Can anyone pinpoint on a map for me where you believe, or better still know, where RH’s camp was set up please?
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I can’t show on a map, but I think they were camped to the right of the suspension bridge, from memory to the right of the toilet as well in a clearing thats big enough for a couple of camps. I’ve found there to be contradictory reports of where they were camped and the mapping is even worse, but we had someone point out the spot to us who is a reliable source. I question my memory of where it is more than what we were told lol

 

[SouthAussie]

There is infinite info online about how to triangulate radio transmissions.

Perhaps you can explain how this pertains to this case, and how much time and equipment is needed to do this triangulation in real time. Where Russell made a fairly brief transmission on a wavelength that he could grab at the time in a remote zone.

I am not trying to muddy the waters here. I am trying to work with what could actually have happened.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

I’m not sure in this instance how knowing where they made the radio call from specifically, makes them an easier target for someone listening in, if that’s what’s being implied.
They were hours from anywhere, they’d be long gone by the time the person got to the spot. Unless they were in Won too, but then wouldn’t a pair of binoculars looking for his Ute be more efficient.

And also I can’t imagine RH kept it a secret (for safety reasons) where he was going so waiting for the call wouldn’t be advantageous.

I thought what RA was implying about it not being safe is that there’s Rambo hunter on the loose. And I took from that, he doesn’t think it was an accident. Because surely if it was an accident they’d be a thousand times more careful that it doesn’t happen again.

 

[trixie_au]

I don't get what you mean by 'the know how'. How does a person trace a radio signal?

It is not like a digital mobile phone signal that is captured and stored on a tower, it is just a radio wave through the air that is magnified for a while by an area radio antenna/relay station and is not captured or stored.


They may know that Russell was at Wonnangatta Station because perhaps that is where ham radio operators can do a radio transmission. In an area as remote as that, I doubt that people can just transmit from anywhere.
This became apparent to me when I was travelling with my friend. There are loads of places where you can't get anything but a crackly sound. You have to be near a radio wave relay station.

By ‘the know-how’ I mean someone who is familiar with, and has the right equipment for Direction Finding, also referred to as Fox Hunting, as well as a few other terms. From how it was explained to me by someone who does it (they do it as part of some kind of organised ham radio sport/challenge type thing), I think it can only be traced whilst the transmission is actually live, and gets triangulated to a particular spot, you need the right equipment of course but it’s easy enough to come by. And yeah I agree with you on not all spots being great for transmitting, but I was under the impression it’s not too bad for most spots through the Won valley..?

 

[trixie_au]

I’m not sure in this instance how knowing where they made the radio call from specifically, makes them an easier target for someone listening in, if that’s what’s being implied.
They were hours from anywhere, they’d be long gone by the time the person got to the spot. Unless they were in Won too, but then wouldn’t a pair of binoculars looking for his Ute be more efficient.

And also I can’t imagine RH kept it a secret (for safety reasons) where he was going so waiting for the call wouldn’t be advantageous.

I thought what RA was implying about it not being safe is that there’s Rambo hunter on the loose. And I took from that, he doesn’t think it was an accident. Because surely if it was an accident they’d be a thousand times more careful that it doesn’t happen again.

Yeah sorry I’m not trying to muddy the waters, just more commenting that if someone nearby with evil intentions was listening, and knew how to pinpoint a transmission, that if they identified RH & CC as vulnerable from that transmission, they could’ve decided they were easy prey and headed to their camp to do something awful. I guess that’s buying into the Rambo style killer you’ve mentioned that RA is possibly implying. TBH I really don’t believe there’s someone up there like that and I’m not really sure where RA is going with that. I know people from his town who know him and they are scratching their heads at what he said.

 

[SouthAussie]

This has been bugging me, and I can’t find it being addressed anywhere (sorry if it has been!) but can someone explain the following pic for me, please? I’ve seen this a couple of times now in Ch9 articles.
Is this *THE* white dual cab ute they’re looking for? Where did this pic come from? And if it is, then it’s absolute rubbish that the police don’t know who was driving it.

And for those who know the area, these guys are camped just up from the old suspension bridge that is spike anchored to that huge old dead tree. Last year when this all happened, I was told that RH & CC were camped in the small clearing on the right, just down dry creek track, but according to the caption of this pic, ch9 seem to think they were camped here. But that doesn’t seem to make sense, and why are they using this pic? Can anyone pinpoint on a map for me where you believe, or better still know, where RH’s camp was set up please?
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If this is a news helicopter pic of the police at the scene of the campsite (which I think it could be, as there are other pics of the police setup with a blue canopy near the burned tent), then I can see how it is possible that there was one accidental shooting - if Russell or Carol was wearing beige and someone thought they were a deer among the trees.



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