Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[Bats]

If there was no exit wound then I can see why they wouldn’t want their bullets left with the bodies where they might be found, therefore they’d go to some effort to remove the bodies or the bullets.
Assuming the guns are registered to them in the first place.

Or they were shot somewhere else and their bodies are still where they fell. And then the Ute and camp were moved into Won. Again though, a fair effort.
There’s plenty of hunting accidents that are reported, Though.

Referring to an earlier post i made, perhaps they were run over in their tent? Terrible to think about, sorry.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

Referring to an earlier post i made, perhaps they were run over in their tent? Terrible to think about, sorry.

Certainly possible?

Or maybe they were walking to the toilet (not their own one).

 

[SouthAussie]

Agreed!

Just thinking out loud. If they’re the hunting methods used by the people who shot RhCC and giving them the benefit of the doubt that RhCC were shot accidentally I feel like it’s not much of a stretch that they would have cut them up with the little electric chainsaws mentioned by Andrew rule. But there’d be a hell of a mess that still wasn’t found in the searches. Although I have wondered before about the proximity of the river to their camp. If they were shot while they were in the river (although not very deep or fast flowing) there wouldn’t be a mess to be found on the ground. Bit gory, sorry.

They could have cut them up inside the tent (out of sight) and that is why the tent was burned. Uggh.

If it was accidental, I would think that one was shot accidently and the other intentionally, to cover up the crime.

Definitely at least two people, if this is the scenario. A driver and a shooter at the very least.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

They could have cut them up inside the tent (out of sight) and that is why the tent was burned. Uggh.

If it was accidental, I would think that one was shot accidently and the other intentionally, to cover up the crime.

Definitely at least two people, if this is the scenario. A driver and a shooter at the very least.

That certainly gives the tent burning context.

I think at least 2 however it was done but surely if it was more than that, by now someone would have said something to someone and it would have come crashing down. Although it could be interpreted that someone in the know is speaking to the police hence the search areas.

 

[SouthAussie]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the police know exactly who they are looking at for this crime.

They would likely know by now who is a crazy person when they are hopped up on meth, and they would likely know who has the white dual cab vehicle.

They need one to blab on the other so they can get a search warrant to forensically examine the white dual cab vehicle.

I imagine the people involved would be getting twitchy by now, with all the publicity. Looking over their shoulders.

I remember when people kept asking if those were bullet holes in Russell's vehicle. I couldn't see them myself, but maybe they were bullet holes.

That is, if this is the scenario. After listening to that podcast, it sure opened my eyes to the possibility.

 

[Marchalot]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the police know exactly who they are looking at for this crime.

They would likely know by now who is a crazy person when they are hopped up on meth, and they would likely know who has the white dual cab vehicle.

They need one to blab on the other so they can get a search warrant to forensically examine the white dual cab vehicle.

I imagine the people involved would be getting twitchy by now, with all the publicity. Looking over their shoulders.

I remember when people kept asking if those were bullet holes in Russell's vehicle. I couldn't see them myself, but maybe they were bullet holes.

That is, if this is the scenario. After listening to that podcast, it sure opened my eyes to the possibility.

First part- again 100%... what would you think those holes are in the truck ?other than bullet holes?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm getting chills reading these posts

 

[TootsieFootsie]

You do hear that it has happened that people are run over in their tent.

Referring to an earlier post i made, perhaps they were run over in their tent? Terrible to think about, sorry.

 

[Marchalot]

I'm getting chills reading these posts

You'll be right tootsie

 

[Marchalot]

You do hear that it has happened that people are run over in their tent.

If that were the case ? It would be a lot easier too explain, but for a nervous young person might be different..

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm fine.
The chills were a sort of feeling that we might be on the right track.

You'll be right tootsie

 

[SouthAussie]

First part- again 100%... what would you think those holes are in the truck ?other than bullet holes?

I don't know. I guess I saw them as marks, rather than holes. But I have been zooming in on them now, and maybe there are some bullet holes.
If they are bullet holes does that mean that the bullets would have been left lodged somewhere inside the back of the vehicle? Or maybe the back was rifled through and the bullets were removed? Or maybe if it was a high powered rifle the bullets came out the other side?

There is a pic somewhere of how the back looks when it is open. There is a divider through the middle and each side is accessed separately. IIRC

The two in this close up - or at least one of them - look like holes. Funny (not funny) that these two are scorched so much ... intentionally?



There are others that look like marks. Maybe marks were added to camouflage the hole(s).



The fate of missing campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay will continue to haunt their families | Daily Mail Online

 

[TootsieFootsie]

If they are bullet holes, wouldn't the Police know this.

 

[Marchalot]

If they are bullet holes, wouldn't the Police know this.

They would. Didn't think the public would be privy if so... & that's what I question ... it's not blurred out and why ? Unless it's something else? But what?

 

[SouthAussie]

They would. Didn't think the public would be privy if so... & that's what I question ... it's not blurred out and why ? Unless it's something else? But what?

I think the police do things on purpose, to let the perps know they are onto them and what happened, and apply pressure.

The police don't do anything without a reason. If we don't know stuff (like perhaps chainsaws and blood evidence and bullet markings inside the rear of the vehicle) it is because they don't need us to know.

It is also probable that the media used long range cameras to get those campsite photos from the public side of the police perimeter.

 

[Bats]

I think the police do things on purpose, to let the perps know they are onto them and what happened, and apply pressure.

The police don't do anything without a reason. If we don't know stuff (like perhaps chainsaws and blood evidence and bullet markings inside the rear of the vehicle) it is because they don't need us to know.

It is also probable that the media used long range cameras to get those campsite photos from the public side of the police perimeter.

Exactly!
That's why i think the search at Mt Hotham is telling. The Police didn't need to tell us anything about that search...though they chose to...

 

[Marchalot]

I think the police do things on purpose, to let the perps know they are onto them and what happened, and apply pressure.

The police don't do anything without a reason. If we don't know stuff (like perhaps chainsaws and blood evidence and bullet markings inside the rear of the vehicle) it is because they don't need us to know.

It is also probable that the media used long range cameras to get those campsite photos from the public side of the police perimeter.

It's a fine line for the police then too ask for information and at the same time having to be careful what they disclose to the public. Gotta feel for them . Hard job ..

 

[Bats]

Yes agreed! Difficult....but methodical...

 

[Bats]

I think the police do things on purpose, to let the perps know they are onto them and what happened, and apply pressure.

The police don't do anything without a reason. If we don't know stuff (like perhaps chainsaws and blood evidence and bullet markings inside the rear of the vehicle) it is because they don't need us to know.

It is also probable that the media used long range cameras to get those campsite photos from the public side of the police perimeter.

...i don't think the media used long range cameras for those shots of the campsite...they were either from...

The Police first responders

...or...

I think they were actually taken by the person that reported the campsite to the Police...pretty sure they were...

 

[Puzzles]

I am not sure that the tampering had to happen after their demise. For example, there are far too many accounts of people who are restrained and have to watch/hear horrible things happening to their loved ones.

This certainly could be what happened, @SouthAussie, although I'm thinking such brazen activity would risk a passer-by witnessing RH and CC restrained somehow whilst the camp was desecrated.

On the other hand, it's likewise risking discovery to have two bodies in your vehicle whilst you vandalize and burn the campsite, wait 'til the fire has consumed what you want destroyed, then extinguish it.

@DianeElaine raises an interesting point in the post above: Snipped and BBM

[QUOTE="DianeElaine, post: 16783639, member: 104696"
And then, because no one wants to ride around with dead people in their vehicle, presumably the culprit(s) would have gone to a pre-selected grave site that night to bury them, or more likely early the following day, when they could see what they were doing. Sounds like “organized” thinking on the part of the perpetrator(s) to me, if that’s what happened. And as someone else recently posted, I also think there was more than 1 perpetrator..[/QUOTE]

I agree, it's likely the perps had a pre-selected manner and location for concealment of the bodies.

IMO, the perps were known to Russell and/or Carol, and this was not a random crime of opportunity by a lunatic, or two or three, albeit smart and physically strong ones.