Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #8

[BreakingNews]

Could have been orphaned or removed from his birth home, then fostered or institutionalised. Just some possibilities that could keep his childhood name and background confidential.

And it might explain why there appeared to be no birth family supporting him through the trial.

imo

Honestly, if you were his elderly parents, would you want to be in court with him? Especially if you had suffered with his behaviour as he grew up. No family at court is also fairly common for murder. They would be mobbed by the journos. Keep away, and maybe see him in prison later, or pretend he never existed. Would be difficult.

 

[AussieIan]

There are more steps involved in getting our red ASICs - including a letter from your employer stating the purpose for you needing it and how you intend using it

Same as MSIC. It's really not that hard.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Honestly, if you were his elderly parents, would you want to be in court with him? Especially if you had suffered with his behaviour as he grew up. No family at court is also fairly common for murder. They would be mobbed by the journos. Keep away, and maybe see him in prison later, or pretend he never existed. Would be difficult.

It's a tricky one and obviously one you hope you never have to deal with but on the other hand, they may not even be around any more.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

We don't really know anything about his family, outside of his wives and children.

Maybe he didn't want his parents to go through the ordeal of the press hounding them.
Perhaps they've passed away. Maybe they aren't mobile. Maybe they are alive but estranged.

Who knows maybe growing up he was very close to his parents. Then again maybe he wasn't close to them.

I imagine more will be known about him and his life as time goes on.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

We don't really know anything about his family, outside of his wives and children.

Maybe he didn't want his parents to go through the ordeal of the press hounding them.
Perhaps they've passed away. Maybe they aren't mobile. Maybe they are alive but estranged.

Who knows maybe growing up he was very close to his parents. Then again maybe he wasn't close to them.

I imagine more will be known about him and his life as time goes on.

We probably can't discount the possibility of a TV mini-series. Particularly if some of these other matters we are hearing Lynn's name associated with lead to convictions. I just hope the potential makers show the victims' families the courtesy of a bit of time before portraying the brutal deaths of their loved ones on screen.

 

[Bigdiggety]

Same as MSIC. It's really not that hard.

Agreed, criminality airside is extraordinary. The process to get an ASIC/MSIC is light on for the access it gives.

 

[emirates1957]

Decent coin but probably around what I would have expected.

Different aircraft types attract different pay scales. Jetstar being a LCC (low cost carrier) I believe aren’t quite on par with others. I remember working for Cathay Pacific (I wasn’t flying) crew were on ridiculous amounts $400K picked up in limo’s 5 star overnight hotels (things have drastically changed in Aviation)….huge overnight allowances.

 

[emirates1957]

Agreed, criminality airside is extraordinary. The process to get an ASIC/MSIC is light on for the access it gives.

If you have no prior history then it’s a ticking time bomb … however if you do get caught depending the degree if criminality then it’s almost impossible.

 

[emirates1957]

Same as MSIC. It's really not that hard.

I signed off on ASIC’s for over 20 years and yes it’s easy to apply then it’s up to Auscheck to approve or deny.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

. I just hope the potential makers show the victims' families the courtesy of a bit of time before portraying the brutal deaths of their loved ones on screen.

I hope whoever might make any show, doesn't do anything like what Netflix did and turn the disappearance of Paddy Moriarty into a comedy.
I suppose they found it easier because no close relatives could be found, but I still think it's in very poor taste.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I hope whoever might make any show, doesn't do anything like what Netflix did and turn the disappearance of Paddy Moriarty into a comedy.
I suppose they found it easier because no close relatives could be found, but I still think it's in very poor taste.

100% agree with you but we both know what the likely reality will be.

 

[JBowie]

I hope whoever might make any show, doesn't do anything like what Netflix did

I think Netflix has its reality-based series head pulled in at the moment as a result of the Baby Reindeer series fiasco.

 

[KathPlumber]

Hi @KathPlumber that was me

During the police interview GL tells the detectives that he used "a stack" and says he "put them in individually" so judging by his make of car he must have a CD player.

I can see two possibilities with this music situation:

1) GL was indeed playing his music loud in an effort to get RH & CC to leave their campsite so GL could continue illegally hunting deer or as a preemptive measure to drown out the sounds of the shooting he intended on doing.

2) RH & CC were playing their music, enjoying their evening wilderness retreat or perhaps to scare away any deer/be annoying so GL would pack up & leave

My issue with option 1 is that GL couldn't tell investigators what he was playing apart from that it was not from RH & CC's generation i.e "the most annoying" he could find.

My issue with option 2 is that I'm unsure if RH had a working car radio/stereo or what he may have been able to play music with. I also don't know if it's characteristic of him to antagonise GL with loud music.

I still reckon it’s super suss he couldn’t remember what he played. That kind
Of episodic memory should be seared in there!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm not surprised he might not remember what he played, it sounds like he was in a rage and just played whatever and cranked the sound up. I doubt he actually took the time to consciously select anything.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Just wondering Sir_Loin….as it was mentioned GL was tight with $$ any idea how much the cache of guns/rifles would be worth?

Finger in the air maybe around $15k or a bit more new. Not sure of the quality of optics he has on them. Sometimes they’re more expensive than the firearm.

He hasn’t spent big on his hunting equipment. The shotguns are cheap as is the Ruger American which isn’t on the list but I’ve seen photos of it with the barathrum arms shotgun so I’m presuming he still had it when it was taken by the police.

The pistols, lever actions and the SP25-TAC are where he spent his money. He had two ruger revolvers of the same make and model according to the list, probably to do with one of the clubs he’s a member of. IMO.

 

[Kemug]

I am not convinced that there was music, given the liar GL is.

 

[OwlHeart]

I am not convinced that there was music, given the liar GL is.

Guess it was a reason or way to set the scene for RH taking the gun out of his car.

Like why else would all his car doors be open? (GL said he had them open to let the music blast loudly.)

Of course RH never actually took any gun out of GL’s car.

 

[mam544]

Do we know if he was a drinker? Would be interesting to know

I think one look at that photo of him answers that question.

 

[mam544]

Andrew Rule has a new podcast episode relevant to Lynn but it is only available to the privileged at the moment. It will likely appear on his 'available to everybody' site soon :

Inside the Wonnangatta investigation

Podcast Episode · Life and Crimes with Andrew Rule · 05/07/2024 · 34m

podcasts.apple.com

I downloaded it yesterday. Easy to do on any Podcast App.

 

[Highcountry]

Just wondering Sir_Loin….as it was mentioned GL was tight with $$ any idea how much the cache of guns/rifles would be worth?

Lynn had a well known aversion to noise.

He has killed dogs previously because of it. He used to camp in his back yard to avoid the noise of his kids.