Found Deceased Australia - Samuel Thompson, 22, Albion, Qld, 7 March 2017 *Arrests* #2

[Horror]

In Tostee's bail hearing it was not about the charges, it was about how he would live if he was granted bail. Had to live with his parents, had to be home by 6pm every evening, could not use FB/Tinder/other online services, could not drink alcohol ... a few other things.

It is possible imo that Supreme Court bail could be granted, if these lads' parents can offer enough surety, like this.

Even Simon Gittany got bail (in NSW) after tossing his girlfriend off his 10th floor balcony.

They just put all kinds of restrictions on their lifestyle. But I personally don't think they are monitored adequately, because we know Tostee was using online services that he was not supposed to be using, while out on bail.

I wonder whether how many cards the police want to show straight away impacts the decision for bail, if they hold info close to chest so to speak they risk bail ? But if they disclose to much then they risk defence knowing all at that point ? Do they have to disclose all at mentions and committals I wonder ?

 

[nickers]

I hope this isn't too strange a comment but the person who commented on AD page after the fact in horror also commented on parent page in same night police asked about white car. Also like to add on police FB page within 2 hours someone posted the rego and stated reported, that got removed over that same night. If you see the comment by CS on parent page of post dated 22 dec it makes me wonder whether that is fake account but parents made aware of car that night ?
Not saying anything at all against them but time to panic prepare

Im getting lost. CS commented on 23 march to dyballs parents saying i have sent a message to ur inbox, then on on 6 april commented on dyballs page. Wheres the white car comment? U getting at the parents knowing something?


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[nickers]

Statistcally it it not more likely the person served, comitted before, yes but not served. That is simply untrue. Most people who commit murder on or near a place where other people frequent (ie RBs parents), hide the body somewhere. But this is not indicative of someone who has served.Those who have served typically leave the bodies where killed like in combat.

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Dunno just repeating what is written here it included army or military service. Pribably depends on the theorist etc.


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[nickers]

Please do! I think most sleuths here did believe they all knew each other for a reasonable amount of time.

Many people also seemed accepting of the drug angle for ST and RB, and accepting of the killing angle for AD.

I guess everyone just wonders how they all fit together: who owed what to who and how that ended up with ST dead.

Unless the death was completely accidental or unexpected, killing someone is a big leap for most folks. I think there is some feeling/speculation that someone owed the other a lot of money or product (Gosh if it's for some pitiful trivial amount of money that's even more harrowing IMO), or someone had done the wrong thing and others were told to sort it etc. I guess we're just curious about the structure of their relationships.

Thanks for sharing!


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Hit nail on head


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[SouthAussie]

I wonder whether how many cards the police want to show straight away impacts the decision for bail, if they hold info close to chest so to speak they risk bail ? But if they disclose to much then they risk defence knowing all at that point ? Do they have to disclose all at mentions and committals I wonder ?

Yes, they have to show all. In May, they have to hand over their brief of evidence in Dyball's next hearing. All the evidence they have, to date, anyway.
Unfortunately, there can be no surprise evidence. If they know about something, they must disclose within a reasonable period of time. The court mentions ensure that happens.

 

[Horror]

Im getting lost. CS commented on 23 march to dyballs parents saying i have sent a message to ur inbox, then on on 6 april commented on dyballs page. Wheres the white car comment? U getting at the parents knowing something?


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Sorry was the date wrong I found the private message comment strange. Both pages can be commented on by anyone it appears. The white car was on police fb page on 22 or 23 and I wonder whether someone informed parents. IMO RB is the bad one (not based only anything reliable I admit) and I think AD got caught up sometime recent months but my issue with every scenario is they had well over 3 weeks to come forward.

 

[Horror]

Yes, they have to show all. In May, they have to hand over their brief of evidence in Dyball's next hearing. All the evidence they have, to date, anyway.
Unfortunately, there can be no surprise evidence. If they know about something, they must disclose within a reasonable period of time. The court mentions ensure that happens.

Thank you I wasn't sure I have friends involved in sad affairs where I am and unfortunately the big and explosive evidence we thought was coming didn't, which made me unsure how it worked

 

[nickers]

Sorry was the date wrong I found the private message comment strange. Both pages can be commented on by anyone it appears. The white car was on police fb page on 22 or 23 and I wonder whether someone informed parents. IMO RB is the bad one (not based only anything reliable I admit) and I think AD got caught up sometime recent months but my issue with every scenario is they had well over 3 weeks to come forward.

Yes this person was already knowing what had happened before the arrest date which was 31 march..... very interesting indeed.


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[xmsmadex]

I wonder if, when ST arrived, RB came at him, shoving him and confronting him about whatever drug or money issues. Sam came back at him they start fighting and RB accidentally kills ST right there. Then calls AD for help. AD may have not even known about sam being in the car. If RB was involved in the robbery before or at least aware of it, he may have just asked AD to follow him so he could dump it. This explains the stupid purchases after the fact and moving of the car again. That makes the most sence in explaining ST being attacked in driveway, purchasing of items, AD not knowing sam. imo

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[nickers]

I wonder if, when ST arrived, RB came at him, shoving him and confronting him about whatever drug or money issues. Sam came back at him they start fighting and RB accidentally kills ST right there. Then calls AD for help. AD may have not even known about sam being in the car. If RB was involved in the robbery before or at least aware of it, he may have just asked AD to follow him so he could dump it. This explains the stupid purchases after the fact and moving of the car again. That makes the most sence in explaining ST being attacked in driveway, purchasing of items, AD not knowing sam. imo

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Ad knew sam


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[xmsmadex]

Ad knew sam


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According to some, not according to police. Even if they were aquainted or just knew of each other they were not close.

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[Horror]

Yes this person was already knowing what had happened before the arrest date which was 31 march..... very interesting indeed.


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I am wondering if they also informed parent, the post I stated before that I saw through someone else eluded to the wider group "knowing" the car but hoping not, if I saw the white car rego on police page others did too. ?? It stayed up a while before being removed. I do feel for the parents of arrested but not near as much as ST's

 

[nickers]

According to some, not according to police. Even if they were aquainted or just knew of each other they were not close.

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Cant remember the alias. But they posted they live near dyball and sam used to come over dyballs house even when he used to own the blue suburu


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[Brissie1]

I wonder if, when ST arrived, RB came at him, shoving him and confronting him about whatever drug or money issues. Sam came back at him they start fighting and RB accidentally kills ST right there. Then calls AD for help. AD may have not even known about sam being in the car. If RB was involved in the robbery before or at least aware of it, he may have just asked AD to follow him so he could dump it. This explains the stupid purchases after the fact and moving of the car again. That makes the most sence in explaining ST being attacked in driveway, purchasing of items, AD not knowing sam. imo

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If AD wasn't there when ST was killed, he would have only been charged with interfering with a body, not murder.

 

[xmsmadex]

Cant remember the alias. But they posted they live near dyball and sam used to come over dyballs house even when he used to own the blue suburu


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Yes I saw that one post, by someone. We have no proof of it is my point.

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[MsAnais]

I wonder if, when ST arrived, RB came at him, shoving him and confronting him about whatever drug or money issues. Sam came back at him they start fighting and RB accidentally kills ST right there. Then calls AD for help. AD may have not even known about sam being in the car. If RB was involved in the robbery before or at least aware of it, he may have just asked AD to follow him so he could dump it. This explains the stupid purchases after the fact and moving of the car again. That makes the most sence in explaining ST being attacked in driveway, purchasing of items, AD not knowing sam. imo

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I was thinking that's what could have happened too (the only difference being that I think Sam already knew AD).

But then SouthAussie made a good point a little while back - why would AD then be charged with murder as well as RB if he wasn't involved in the killing? They'd just charge him for 'interference with a body'.

 

[Horror]

Yes this person was already knowing what had happened before the arrest date which was 31 march..... very interesting indeed.


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Sorry I have already replied to this but would like to add maybe they didn't know what happened but knew the car once request for info came out ?

 

[xmsmadex]

If AD wasn't there when ST was killed, he would have only been charged with interfering with a body, not murder.

No not necessarily, for all we know RB said it was all AD and they had enough circumstatial evidence, ADs car following STs. But it might not be concrete or provable in court.

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[Drb]

If you were looking at Mitchell Scott that is not it. That is a cloned page

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[SouthAussie]

Thank you I wasn't sure I have friends involved in sad affairs where I am and unfortunately the big and explosive evidence we thought was coming didn't, which made me unsure how it worked

Could have been any number of things imo.
Maybe the big, explosive evidence would not have been admittable in court, maybe there were flaws with it, maybe it could have been deemed prejudicial ..... the prosecutor usually knows what is and is not allowable, though they sometimes seem to try to admit evidence that still gets thrown out due to a good defence argument, or precedent.