Australia Australia - Tegan Lane, 2 days old, Sydney, 14 Sept 1996 *K. Lane guilty*

[The Observer]

Hmm. Did do one search that came up with some people in WA. I just don’t understand how you knew he was friends with the father of the first child cause the name is suppressed. Is it in the coronial transcript?

Yes both father's names are suppressed. You wouldn't need the coronial transcript, there are plenty of breadcrumbs that lead to their identity in written materials. They're all very much connected.

It would be inappropriate for me to post on a public forum how I came to find them because others will follow that path, and as seen on some FB groups, people have no qualms outing people for the sake of it without a single thought that these people have lives and families.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Did everyone see the colour comfit of "Andrew" posted this afternoon to the Exposed ABC Facebook Group?

WHY???????

Terry Dunnett, the artist purposefully left the drawing in black in white. He was quoted in an article that Caro Meldrum Hanna co- authored as saying:

"Once you had colour information you end up with a lot of diversion that you don't really need. We get into eye colour and tone of the skin and so and so, which is only down to lighting conditions anyway."

You commission an expert. He does it in black and white on purpose, and then you taint it with possibly inaccurate colour done by a group member. Seriously! Why ABC? Why?

 

[The Observer]

That link didn’t work for me.

It would be the link for the No Filter podcast wit Mia Freedman discussed a few pages back. That page wouldn't allow for linking without errors. Was a pain.

(Just remove the spaces) https://www .mamamia .com .au/ keli-lane-pregnancies/

 

[The Observer]

Did everyone see the colour comfit of "Andrew" posted this afternoon to the Exposed ABC Facebook Group?

WHY???????

Terry Dunnett, the artist purposefully left the drawing in black in white. He was quoted in an article that Caro Meldrum Hanna co- authored as saying:

"Once you had colour information you end up with a lot of diversion that you don't really need. We get into eye colour and tone of the skin and so and so, which is only down to lighting conditions anyway."

You commission an expert. He does it in black and white on purpose, and then you taint it with possibly inaccurate colour done by a group member. Seriously! Why ABC? Why?

I said the same thing to myself. I think she's trying anything now to get someone to recognise him. She's asked for it to be spread on twitter as well.

 

[Via Marple]

Did everyone see the colour comfit of "Andrew" posted this afternoon to the Exposed ABC Facebook Group?

WHY???????

Terry Dunnett, the artist purposefully left the drawing in black in white. He was quoted in an article that Caro Meldrum Hanna co- authored as saying:

"Once you had colour information you end up with a lot of diversion that you don't really need. We get into eye colour and tone of the skin and so and so, which is only down to lighting conditions anyway."

You commission an expert. He does it in black and white on purpose, and then you taint it with possibly inaccurate colour done by a group member. Seriously! Why ABC? Why?

The guy probably has grey hairs, and a much aged skin complexion at his current age.

It may mean that the team is just as confused as a lot of us Too many bits and pieces to remember.

And not a good sign about finding Andrew. Still no good leads I guess.

 

[Spooky7]

Did everyone see the colour comfit of "Andrew" posted this afternoon to the Exposed ABC Facebook Group?

WHY???????

Terry Dunnett, the artist purposefully left the drawing in black in white. He was quoted in an article that Caro Meldrum Hanna co- authored as saying:

"Once you had colour information you end up with a lot of diversion that you don't really need. We get into eye colour and tone of the skin and so and so, which is only down to lighting conditions anyway."

You commission an expert. He does it in black and white on purpose, and then you taint it with possibly inaccurate colour done by a group member. Seriously! Why ABC? Why?

I know!! SO annoying. I reported it hoping they would remove it, but no!

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

I said the same thing to myself. I think she's trying anything now to get someone to recognise him. She's asked for it to be spread on twitter as well.

The guy probably has grey hairs, and a much aged skin complexion at his current age.

It may mean that the team is just as confused as a lot of us Too many bits and pieces to remember.

And not a good sign about finding Andrew. Still no good leads I guess.

I know!! SO annoying. I reported it hoping they would remove it, but no!

It is odd. The Exposed Team write an article that clearly states the reasons the comfit is in black and white. Caro Meldrum-Hanna is not stupid, I don't believe. I believe they do have good information on "Andrew". There was a statement in the press shortly after the last episode that they had some good leads and would know in a few weeks whether he existed.

Nope - this colour image has been released to create a diversion. It's not accurate. My guess is Keli hasn't even seen it.

 

[The Observer]

New post by Caro on Keli's Psychology.

Caro Meldrum-Hanna


**This is what we asked her during the interview**:

"Question: Keli Lane is in prison convicted of killing her child. Do you think she's capable of murder?"

"Professor Buist: I have to go back to: she's capable of disowning a child. I then I have to look at her, and her narrative is disowning it in a way that is consistent with a picture of herself doing the best she could at the time. And I can't reconcile that with that actively murdering a child."

Prof Buist also said Lane was not 'evil'.

Prof Buist wrote a piece about her time with Keli Lane which you might be interested in, here it is in case you missed it: Is Keli Lane the sort of mother who kills her baby?

- Edited to add: Obviously no new information. Thread got locked quickly.

 

[The Observer]

Thought this would be interesting to share for those without the Nice Girl book regarding the inquest. Especially the fact the coroner asked for Keli's car at the time of Tegan's birth be forensically examined and it was. Also how they managed to narrow it down to only eight girls born within 96-97 year period who were unregistered births. None Tegan.

 

[Bohemian]

New post by Caro on Keli's Psychology.

Caro Meldrum-Hanna


**This is what we asked her during the interview**:

"Question: Keli Lane is in prison convicted of killing her child. Do you think she's capable of murder?"

"Professor Buist: I have to go back to: she's capable of disowning a child. I then I have to look at her, and her narrative is disowning it in a way that is consistent with a picture of herself doing the best she could at the time. And I can't reconcile that with that actively murdering a child."

Prof Buist also said Lane was not 'evil'.

Prof Buist wrote a piece about her time with Keli Lane which you might be interested in, here it is in case you missed it: Is Keli Lane the sort of mother who kills her baby?

- Edited to add: Obviously no new information. Thread got locked quickly.

Maybe not actively murdering Tegan but disowning her to the point of abandoning her, even if temporarily, resulting in her death? My opinion FWIW is yes.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

New post by Caro on Keli's Psychology.

Caro Meldrum-Hanna


**This is what we asked her during the interview**:

"Question: Keli Lane is in prison convicted of killing her child. Do you think she's capable of murder?"

"Professor Buist: I have to go back to: she's capable of disowning a child. I then I have to look at her, and her narrative is disowning it in a way that is consistent with a picture of herself doing the best she could at the time. And I can't reconcile that with that actively murdering a child."

Prof Buist also said Lane was not 'evil'.

Prof Buist wrote a piece about her time with Keli Lane which you might be interested in, here it is in case you missed it: Is Keli Lane the sort of mother who kills her baby?

- Edited to add: Obviously no new information. Thread got locked quickly.

I think I can see where this is heading. The ABC journalists are not Keli's advocate. I believe the things they have uncovered are leading to proving Keli's innocence. I trust Professor Buist's opinion.

There is no need to speculate anymore - just sit back and watch this unfold.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Thought this would be interesting to share for those without the Nice Girl book regarding the inquest. Especially the fact the coroner asked for Keli's car at the time of Tegan's birth be forensically examined and it was. Also how they managed to narrow it down to only eight girls born within 96-97 year period who were unregistered births. None Tegan.

BDM did an amazing job cross checking all that data. So if I understand this correctly, there were 8 females other than Tegan born around that time who were unregistered? They were all eventually followed up. That still leaves one unregistered birth and that is Tegan's!!

I understand this inquest lead to tighter laws regarding birth registrations such as requiring the hospital/home birth midwife to advise BDM within 7 days of a birth and better follow up of those births not registered within 60 days? It also lead to a more uniform system nationally. Something good did come out of this.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Maybe not actively murdering Tegan but disowning her to the point of abandoning her, even if temporarily, resulting in her death? My opinion FWIW is yes.

But this abandonment is in the context of Keli's seeing herself as doing the best for the baby. As she says herself, she could have and would have abandoned Tegan in the hospital if "Andrew" hadn't shown up.

FWIW I really don't think Keli left Tegan in any danger that she knew of but of course, we don't know what happened after "Andrew" took custody of Tegan.

 

[Bohemian]

But this abandonment is in the context of Keli's seeing herself as doing the best for the baby. As she says herself, she could have and would have abandoned Tegan in the hospital if "Andrew" hadn't shown up.

FWIW I really don't think Keli left Tegan in any danger that she knew of but of course, we don't know what happened after "Andrew" took custody of Tegan.

No, she would have disowned Tegan by adopting her as she had done with her first live-born infant. I think, to avoid the pain of that process, Kellie either hid Tegan until she figured out what to do with her, or left her somewhere hoping that someone would find her or, in the worst case scenario, abandoned her in an isolated location and simply put her out of her mind. I think the latter is less likely but any of those scenarios resulted in Tegan’s death. If so, I could see that Keli might be able to rationalise that she didn’t kill Tegan.

And, FWIW, I don’t think ‘Andrew’ took custody of Tegan.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

No, she would have disowned Tegan by adopting her as she had done with her first live-born infant. I think, to avoid the pain of that process, Kellie either hid Tegan until she figured out what to do with her, or left her somewhere hoping that someone would find her or, in the worst case scenario, abandoned her in an isolated location and simply put her out of her mind. I think the latter is less likely but any of those scenarios resulted in Tegan’s death. If so, I could see that Keli might be able to rationalise that she didn’t kill Tegan.

And, FWIW, I don’t think ‘Andrew’ took custody of Tegan.

Yes, if "Andrew" wasn't in the picture she would have relinquished Tegan to adoption. 100% agree. I don't think she was avoiding the pain of that process. She might have been obstructionist as she was with her third because she did want to clean break and hated being forced to see her children again and leaving them again.

What I am saying is not said in a vacuum. There are crumbs here as to what happened and there always have been. When you piece them together it is quiet enlightening to finally realise what happened. This case will expose the incompetence of the police. They had an extremely hard task and did do extensive work but they missed something. Just because you can't find someone does not mean they do not exist. Once it is revealed what they missed, lots of people will have egg on their faces. Of that I am sure!

I said it yesterday - watch this space!

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, if "Andrew" wasn't in the picture she would have relinquished Tegan to adoption. 100% agree. I don't think she was avoiding the pain of that process. She might have been obstructionist as she was with her third because she did want to clean break and hated being forced to see her children again and leaving them again.

What I am saying is not said in a vacuum. There are crumbs here as to what happened and there always have been. When you piece them together it is quiet enlightening to finally realise what happened. This case will expose the incompetence of the police. They had an extremely hard task and did do extensive work but they missed something. Just because you can't find someone does not mean they do not exist. Once it is revealed what they missed, lots of people will have egg on their faces. Of that I am sure!

I said it yesterday - watch this space!

Righto. We’re each entitled to our opinions. Mine differs from yours. No biggie. Whether there was a wrongful conviction in Keli’s case and she is innocent of killing Tegan can be mutually exclusive. Do I think there could be legal grounds to overturn her conviction? Maybe. Do I believe she killed Tegan and lied about ‘Andrew’? Yes, I do—until such time as Tegan is found.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Righto. We’re each entitled to our opinions. Mine differs from yours. No biggie. Whether or not there was a wrongful conviction in Keli’s case and she is guilty or not of killing Tegan are not mutually exclusive. Do I think there could be legal grounds to overturn her conviction? Maybe. Do I believe she killed Tegan and lied about ‘Andrew’? Yes, I do—until such time as Tegan is found.

Yes, I believe there could be grounds for overturning her conviction. The wheels of justice are turning slowly and treading carefully at the moment. All the pieces of the puzzle are not in place yet!

It is interesting to see how this will play out.

At the core of Keli's story is the truth.

Did she get all the details right? Absolutely not! She was mistaken about a lot of things.

Did she make some things up? Yes she did!

Right now, I am praying for the best possible outcome for Tegan - that she is found and that she is alive.

 

[sosocurious]

Yes, I believe there could be grounds for overturning her conviction. The wheels of justice are turning slowly and treading carefully at the moment. All the pieces of the puzzle are not in place yet!

It is interesting to see how this will play out.

At the core of Keli's story is the truth.

Did she get all the details right? Absolutely not! She was mistaken about a lot of things.

Did she make some things up? Yes she did!

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Thank heavens for the media. How else would Keli have been able to tell her side of the story and correct the details she did not get right. The things she was mistaken about and the things she made up. Albeit in timed phone calls.

 

[sosocurious]

In an application filed with the High Court, Lane, who is represented pro bono by Sydney solicitor Ben Archbold, relies on two grounds of appeal: there was a ''viable case for manslaughter'' and the closing address to the jury by Crown Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi, QC, caused a miscarriage of justice.

Keli Lane's last hope of overturning her murder conviction

I did not know Ben Archbold was pro bono.

 

[Bohemian]

In an application filed with the High Court, Lane, who is represented pro bono by Sydney solicitor Ben Archbold, relies on two grounds of appeal: there was a ''viable case for manslaughter'' and the closing address to the jury by Crown Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi, QC, caused a miscarriage of justice.

Keli Lane's last hope of overturning her murder conviction

I did not know Ben Archbold was pro bono.

Interesting, I’m sure I read somewhere that half a million dollars had been spent on Keli’s defence. Wonder if it was on her family’s or the taxpayer’s dime? Must look it up. Watch this space.

ETA: Ah, here we go:

‘The financial cost of defending herself throughout almost a decade of legal proceedings has exceeded half a million dollars.’

Keli Lane's life behind bars: What happened to baby Tegan?