Found Alive Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction, 4 y.o. victim found alive, WA ,16 Oct 2021

[Estelle]

I know he banged his head when he was being taken away while crying, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry". Maybe there were 2 separate events, because it has been reported elsewhere that he was taken to hospital twice.

Yes there were two separate events of head banging.

 

[5W's]

The problem with criminals being committed to mental institutions is that they get out quite relatively quickly ... as soon as they are considered stable. They do not do the equivalent of a 20 year kidnapping sentence, for example.

Their new stability is usually medication dependant. Then once they are released (and perhaps still under outpatient care) they stop taking their meds and revert to previous behaviour.

IMO

We had a case in Canada here where the accused had a mental disability (he kidnapped a little boy from the child's bedroom sort of like this case except from a home and not a tent) the crown prosecution declared him a "Dangerous Offender." The dangerous offender designation makes him be incarcerated as long as the crown sees fit. I think that's fitting. He's still in prison its been 10 years or more. I'm sure Australia law has something comparable to a dangerous offender designation.

 

[Estelle]

"He's a very good neighbour."

What I learnt from that article is that TK is either a night owl or an insomniac which is understandable considering the circumstances. I wonder how much time he spent with CS if he was out in the backyard all night and when and if he ever slept?

 

[5W's]

I am not liking that we are not hearing what the 'other offences' are.


WA police in a statement said the Carnarvon local had been charged with various offences relating to the alleged abduction of (CS) including “one count of forcibly taking a child under 16”. The matter is due back in court in early December.
West Australian police charge Terence Kelly, 36, over alleged abduction

I don't disagree with you but could the motivation of the authorities be to spare the child future attention from the public and mental anguish that this horrible story is known all over the world?. Otherwise I can't see why they wouldn't say what the other offenses are. But they will hold him accountable for the other offences regardless. This is all speculation on my part.

 

[Trooper]

We had a case in Canada here where the accused had a mental disability (he kidnapped a little boy from the child's bedroom sort of like this case except from a home and not a tent) the crown prosecution declared him a "Dangerous Offender." The dangerous offender designation makes him be incarcerated as long as the crown sees fit. I think that's fitting. He's still in prison its been 10 years or more. I'm sure Australia law has something comparable to a dangerous offender designation.

Yes , it has a similar provision.. not surprisingly, since your system and mine spring from the same roots.. One example, a person deemed to be incorrigible.. ..

This person's sentence is extended from the previous number of years, on the grounds of , well... this bloke says it better than I ..

'On 25 September 2019, Wilmot was denied his bid for freedom when the Supreme Court imposed a Continuing Detention Order (CDO), keeping him in gaol for another two years. In 2000, a senior forensic psychiatrist warned that Wilmot was "quite incapable of engaging in rehabilitation", the Court was told. Justice Julia Lonergan went against the trend of judges refusing Government applications to keep serious offenders in custody, and ordered that Wilmot not be released.'

For those wishing to look further into this, it was the Janine Balding matter.

 

[Marg944]

What is 'mandatory sentencing'?
Mandatory sentencing establishes an exact penalty for each category of offence individually.

Normal sentencing sets a range of penalties, allowing judges and magistrates to interpret the sentence according to the circumstances of the offence and the offender.

Mandatory sentencing laws have taken away the discretion of magistrates to recourse individuals to non-custodial programs and sentences they deem are without risk to society. They must apply the sentence prescribed, it is mandatory.

Western Australian and the Northern Territory both have mandatory sentencing laws. NSW and Queensland have mandatory sentences in some circumstances.

In Western Australia, however, mandatory sentencing remains intact to the present day [9]. In fact, in February 2013 the Western Australian government proposed to expand the state's tough laws, making it legal to detain children as young as 11 years and doubling the minimum jail time

Source: Mandatory sentencing - Creative Spirits, retrieved from Mandatory sentencing

 

[5W's]

IMO He could have been abused by a member of his own family and that is why he ended up in foster care.

Sad, I feel sorry for him in that way but of course that doesn't give any excuses to do what he has been accused of doing. So for me I can overlook his personal history as this is an innocent child we are discussing.

 

[Trooper]

Sad, I feel sorry for him in that way but of course that doesn't give any excuses to do what he has been accused of doing. So for me I can overlook his personal history as this is an innocent child we are discussing.

Which is basically the problem. If he doesn't understand how he slipped over from fantasy into reality, that he was unaware that those worlds collided, then no child is safe. If he doesn't know what happened, and why, then it is reasonable , more than reasonable to presume that it's only a matter of time before the same need to do that resurfaces, and perhaps not with such a fabulous outcome..

That outcome that the WAPOL managed to pull off is certainly not the ending anyone could have rationally expected.

 

[they'll get you]

I heard the 4pm Ch7 newscaster issue a verbal apology on-air yesterday. The 4pm news is national news (as opposed to the later news by the state news team) so it went out across Australia.

An appology won't be good enough. Who's a lucky boy now?

 

[5W's]

And in their boxes ... it's creepy!

Reminds me of a coffin. I could be wrong. Obviously its only speculation on my part. I wonder if the boxes or leaving packaging on could be a collectors thing with eventually making money. I don't know I haven't seen these doll collections myself but once I have some time I will look. I would like to know if they are collectors items, which could point to a monetary motive for the doll collection as well. That would make the accused aware of consequences if for monetary gain eventually. The only reason I point this out is maybe he knows what he is doing and what he wants to accomplish. MOO. All MOO.

 

[Trooper]

If I have understood the timeline correctly, Gran has died 3 years ago, but TK has been running this doll collection/display/ fantasy life for around 11 years..?? at least 11 years, on the posts going back that far... ..

A small 2 bedroom house, hard to believe it was hidden from Gran.. Maybe it was all benign , him and Gran sharing the collection..and then he's left alone with it.. and.. .. things go to pieces, the centre does not hold..

 

[Trooper]

Reminds me of a coffin. I could be wrong. Obviously its only speculation on my part. I wonder if the boxes or leaving packaging on could be a collectors thing with eventually making money. I don't know I haven't seen these doll collections myself but once I have some time I will look. I would like to know if they are collectors items, which could point to a monetary motive for the doll collection as well. That would make the accused aware of consequences if for monetary gain eventually. The only reason I point this out is maybe he is a knows what he is doing and what he wants to accomplish. MOO. All MOO.

It certainly had that graveyard air about it to me... ... but I am not a doll collector, there may be artistry there that I am unable to discern.

 

[mrjitty]

That's if he even gets to trial. We haven't a clue what his mental state is and I think it will all hinge on his psych evaluation.

Hi Judy!

It's been a while. Hope you are well and survived those NSW's lockdowns

Yeah I agree - it might be the best result for everyone if this guy gets institutionalised for the duration - but of course the public won't like it.

 

[Trooper]

Hi Judy!

It's been a while. Hope you are well and survived those NSW's lockdowns

Yeah I agree - it might be the best result for everyone if this guy gets institutionalised for the duration - but of course the public won't like it.

I reckon the public would expect nothing less. .....

His age, it seems to me, would be a real factor in any sort of rehabilitation being a realistic proposition. If he was 19, or 22 or something, maybe,..but he , in his own community, would be regarded as middle aged.. I am talking chronologically here, I have no way of knowing his IQ age, or his EIQ age..

 

[5W's]

My husband used to collect My Little Ponies before we met.... there's a huge male community 'Bronies' who live MLP and all be it slightly odd... they're not weirdos or paedos!

I'm going to boldly say this but there has to be a reason these people collect these dolls I can see a monetary reason for it to eventually becoming collectors items as one reason.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

And in their boxes ... it's creepy!

OK .. as a toy collector in a previous life, keeping them in their boxes is essential as is displaying them that way, putting them away can actually damage the box (learned the hard way). If you want to have one to ‘play with’ or style in a scene then you just buy two. I agree the attachment seems a bit stronger than just a collector, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a serious collector as well with his eye on resale value. He’s quite neat too, it’s not like the room was jam packed, they were well displayed and the matching bed was neat, so not like a hoarding type.

 

[Trooper]

OK .. as a toy collector in a previous life, keeping them in their boxes is essential as is displaying them that way, putting them away can actually damage the box (learned the hard way). If you want to have one to ‘play with’ or style in a scene then you just buy two. I agree the attachment seems a bit stronger than just a collector, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a serious collector as well with his eye on resale value. He’s quite neat too, it’s not like the room was jam packed, they were well displayed and the matching bed was neat, so not like a hoarding type.

There is always , always something new to learn.. I had no idea the boxes had significance!!.. no idea at ALL!>.

 

[mrjitty]

I guess you'd think that if the accused did have his phone on at the blowholes, it should have been fast, via elimination to leave him as the last man standing in terms of people camping there that night, who would have no apparent reason to be there

But of course even with a relatively small number of phone hits, there are reasons why that might not be so easy.

First it takes a lot of time to take phone intel, and support it with physical investigation. Who are all the people? Why were they there? All that stuff requires physical followup.

Second - which i suspect - i think his phone was not on at key times.

e.g If his phone was on, and he drive to the campground and back - leaving after 3.00am - then you have a huge red flag which matches your witnesses to the car.

Obviously the case cannot have been that easy.

I speculated before (based on the McStay case) that the crucial data may depend on when his phone was not on - creating the blackspot when he did the abduction.

So police may have had to work with partial evidence. Maybe CCTV of his driving in town at the relevant time, but phone on - then his phone goes off - but then he reappears again at a relevant time.

My 02c

 

[they'll get you]

7news.com.au ran the story also, they referenced their source as WA news article that you mentioned:-
The crucial clue that helped crack the case of CS whereabouts

TK was not alone in the vehicle when he was detained.
There were women in the vehicle.
His charges will remain a mystery.
Police remain unsure if CS was in that house the full 18 days.
A deep dive into the dark web
His phone was in the area.
It's thought he was in the camp ground for petty theft.
So many clues lead police to him.

 

[Estelle]

I'm going to boldly say this but there has to be a reason these people collect these dolls I can see a monetary reason for it to eventually becoming collectors items as one reason.

IMO that is why they have been left in their boxes. There were probably only a few on the lowest shelves that CS would have been allowed to play with probably.