Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[espirtu pampa]

@mussopossum Thank you so much and sorry for having not related your name to the search you did though. I went back to check but made a mess.

 

[Deleted member 255258]

[QUOTE="mussopossum, post: 15608972,
If they had done something to Theo, I cant get passed why they would still have been residing there, there after. I think it took several days of searching there that they finally left so I would thought they might just A) leave straight away June 1 or B) The second searchers started invading go within a day. Just my thoughts.

Great point about the idyllic location, and if guilty they’d exit immediately.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't necessarily exit immediately. That area was not searched until what, about 2 weeks after Theo went missing, so while no one was looking there he may have felt secure. He also may have felt secure in the knowledge that no one can link Theo to him, no witnesses, empowered by thinking he covered his tracks really well. As the search ramped up, he could have then begun to feel a little uneasy and questioning if he had actually covered his track enough, so took off. He left in a hurry leaving behind a perfectly good tarp and ropes, items which are much sought after by the homeless or transient travellers. His behaviour was suspicious, then as soon as he realised that the entire focus of the search became Tallows, he just took off.

 

[espirtu pampa]

Has anyone read the comments on the LFTH FB page after the last podcast? Set it to "show all" instead of "most relevant" posts and open all the replies. There is one person there who stated that Theo was holding a paper note in his hands outside CM after he was escorted out by the bouncer. He was questioning if that note was handed to him inside CM before he was removed, and that this note was what lead Theo to Tennyson. How would he know that? About the note. It was really strange that no one at all replied or commented to him about the note Theo was holding in his hand. That to me is a crucial piece of information, so how would this person know this detail and why didn't anyone jump in to comment or raise the issue with him making this comment? I have never posted on that page but might just go on there to ask him. Not mentioning the guys name here as I don't know if you are allowed to given names of people who post comments in the LFTH page. But that is really important info IMO. Maybe it will be raised in the next podcast and he's an insider so he already knows about the note?

I stopped along time ago reading LFTH. It seemed abandonned at the time and forgot about it. But I've been reading the other FB pages re Théo and in one of them there was a question about what he had in one hand : his purse or his phone ? I'm going to peruse through the pages again.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone read the comments on the LFTH FB page after the last podcast? Set it to "show all" instead of "most relevant" posts and open all the replies. There is one person there who stated that Theo was holding a paper note in his hands outside CM after he was escorted out by the bouncer. He was questioning if that note was handed to him inside CM before he was removed, and that this note was what lead Theo to Tennyson. How would he know that? About the note. It was really strange that no one at all replied or commented to him about the note Theo was holding in his hand. That to me is a crucial piece of information, so how would this person know this detail and why didn't anyone jump in to comment or raise the issue with him making this comment? I have never posted on that page but might just go on there to ask him. Not mentioning the guys name here as I don't know if you are allowed to given names of people who post comments in the LFTH page. But that is really important info IMO. Maybe it will be raised in the next podcast and he's an insider so he already knows about the note?

I notice that first the commenter says 'paper', then he says 'note', in his comment.
I don't know how anyone would know such a thing as CCTV has not been released that shows any paper in Theo's hand. Just his phone.
And the police are not giving out any details of their investigation - other than in areas where they have needed assistance, as per their usual mode of operation.

Yes, you could always ask the person. I personally think that multiple opinions are clouding the facts, in some areas.

 

[Rocket333]

Has anyone read the comments on the LFTH FB page after the last podcast? Set it to "show all" instead of "most relevant" posts and open all the replies. There is one person there who stated that Theo was holding a paper note in his hands outside CM after he was escorted out by the bouncer. He was questioning if that note was handed to him inside CM before he was removed, and that this note was what lead Theo to Tennyson. How would he know that? About the note. It was really strange that no one at all replied or commented to him about the note Theo was holding in his hand. That to me is a crucial piece of information, so how would this person know this detail and why didn't anyone jump in to comment or raise the issue with him making this comment? I have never posted on that page but might just go on there to ask him. Not mentioning the guys name here as I don't know if you are allowed to given names of people who post comments in the LFTH page. But that is really important info IMO. Maybe it will be raised in the next podcast and he's an insider so he already knows about the note?

Are you referring to this de-identified excerpt of a post on the LFTH page?

“It would appear the paper in theos had outside cheeky monkeys followed by direction searching on his phone and walking to an mostly discreet place. So who gave theo the note on paper. To lead him to the end of tennyson street?”

What piece of paper in his hand? What note? Where’s this note? I watch the CM footage and can’t see paper or a note. It’s alleged at this stage right?

 

[Harpboon]

Hmmmm..... Do you know how cousin Michael could see that Theo’s phone was updating every 15 seconds? I can only see my path taken, not any data on updating and other activity.

I’m pretty sure cousin Michael requested and received the raw data from google which gave him a far more in-depth description of Theos activity.
I think it was in podcast 2 he talks about that.

 

[Deleted member 255258]

I stopped along time ago reading LFTH. It seemed abandonned at the time and forgot about it. But I've been reading the other FB pages re Théo and in one of them there was a question about what he had in one hand : his purse or his phone ? I'm going to peruse through the pages again.

Yes please do that. Is it permitted to post a pic of the post this guy did on the LFTH page

 

[Deleted member 255258]

Are you referring to this de-identified excerpt of a post on the LFTH page?

“It would appear the paper in theos had outside cheeky monkeys followed by direction searching on his phone and walking to an mostly discreet place. So who gave theo the note on paper. To lead him to the end of tennyson street?”

What piece of paper in his hand? What note? Where’s this note? I watch the CM footage and can’t see paper or a note. It’s alleged at this stage right?

The guy stated that theo had a paper note in his hand outside CM after he was thrown out. I don't know how he knew this information. But its still there on the LFTH page in the guys post

 

[Rocket333]

The guy stated that theo had a paper note in his hand outside CM after he was thrown out. I don't know how he knew this information. But its still there on the LFTH page in the guys post

Are you referring to the post I provided the excerpt from? Or is there another?

“It would appear the paper in theos had outside cheeky monkeys followed by direction searching on his phone and walking to an mostly discreet place. So who gave theo the note on paper. To lead him to the end of tennyson street?” ~ LFTH Facebook page

 

[T-dawg420]

I think he was spiked at CM hence disorientated. Kept typing in WUH

From the moment I saw the CCTV footage of Theo turning into Kingsley st (next to CM footage) I thought his walk was a bit ‘off’. I remember posting way back about Theo’s ‘walking gate’ or stride seeming as if he was under the influence of drugs.

As he turns the corner he almost miss steps IMO, it seems he is trying to get his phone out? He starts to read the phone just before a sign post with a push bike chained to it. As he reads his phone his directions alters to the left a little and then alters to the right a lot, almost crashing into another signpost but avoids it.

It was my opinion then, and it is still now that Theo was walking inebriated in that pick.

He was booted from CM cos he was approaching intoxication, not being intoxicated I think? How does someone who has been in a bar 1 and a half to 2 hours and only consume 2 drinks just be ‘approaching intoxication’? I thought maybe CM kicked Theo out for a business decision, as in he paid to get in, but only buys 2 drinks in 2 hours when there is a lineup outside for people to get in who will also pay to get in and buy more drinks. But what if Theo was approaching intoxication and got kicked out for exactly that? That might mean something has been put into his system without his knowledge? It was stated in the podcast Theo left his drink unattended to go to the toilet. Perhaps he has a habit of doing this leaving him and his drink vulnerable?

However if I keep thinking if he was drugged in CM there would be footage of it on CCTV?

 

[Rocket333]

From the moment I saw the CCTV footage of Theo turning into Kingsley st (next to CM footage) I thought his walk was a bit ‘off’. I remember posting way back about Theo’s ‘walking gate’ or stride seeming as if he was under the influence of drugs.

As he turns the corner he almost miss steps IMO, it seems he is trying to get his phone out? He starts to read the phone just before a sign post with a push bike chained to it. As he reads his phone his directions alters to the left a little and then alters to the right a lot, almost crashing into another signpost but avoids it.

It was my opinion then, and it is still now that Theo was walking inebriated in that pick.

He was booted from CM cos he was approaching intoxication, not being intoxicated I think? How does someone who has been in a bar 1 and a half to 2 hours and only consume 2 drinks just be ‘approaching intoxication’? I thought maybe CM kicked Theo out for a business decision, as in he paid to get in, but only buys 2 drinks in 2 hours when there is a lineup outside for people to get in who will also pay to get in and buy more drinks. But what if Theo was approaching intoxication and got kicked out for exactly that? That might mean something has been put into his system without his knowledge? It was stated in the podcast Theo left his drink unattended to go to the toilet. Perhaps he has a habit of doing this leaving him and his drink vulnerable?

However if I keep thinking if he was drugged in CM there would be footage of it on CCTV?

Don’t forget Theo and Antoine bought alcohol at the Great Northern bottle shop earlier to have at the Wake Up barby. They left the barby and went straight to CMs. He probably entered CMs with a few drinks already in the tank.

 

[BusterXP]

Why is Theo considered deceased and not simply missing?

In this situation the Police made the referral after death was assumed. In one of the podcasts mention is made of some family members being taken to where it was likely he had fallen.
It differs in some States but in NSW :
"The police officer in charge of a missing person investigation must report the matter to the Coroner once they are satisfied that no further enquiries can be made as to whether a missing person is alive or deceased. This should occur as soon as the investigator is of the belief that the missing person is now deceased. This can be challenging for families of the missing person to accept, particularly when they may still be hopeful of a positive outcome."
...
" Missing persons cases are reported to the Coroner by investigating police officers in the form of a 'P79B Police Report of Suspected Death', which outlines the factual background of the missing persons case."

Missing persons

 

[BusterXP]

They don't all go to inquest.

"Missing persons, whom police suspect may be deceased, are also reported to the Coroner and investigated. An inquest is required to be held in all missing person cases."
Procedure in NSW is at
Investigation

 

[mussopossum]

No it’s not a big deal. Bottom line is if Theo’s parents had not been advised to do so he would only missing. William was missing for a considerable time but much has come to light now. It’s all good . The point is with Theo NO ONE KNOWS.

Im a little confused,

Quote "Bottom line is if Theo’s parents had not been advised to do so he would only missing. End quote"

Are you saying that if Theos family did not refer it to the coroner he would only be missing?

If I have misunderstood your post I apologize in advance.

 

[akazia1978]

I am convinced the poor guy made an error...tis beautiful, but easy to go wrong.

 

[BusterXP]

Im a little confused,

Quote "Bottom line is if Theo’s parents had not been advised to do so he would only missing. End quote"

Are you saying that if Theos family did not refer it to the coroner he would only be missing?

If I have misunderstood your post I apologize in advance.

The Police are required to report it to the Coroner. Good practice would be to discuss it with the family (the focus is on the family).
The family can discuss 'the document' with the Police. That discussion might lead to the Police believing that death was less likely and for them to decide to continue the investigation.
The family can ask for it to be referred to the Coroner if the Police don't.
Missing persons

 

[mussopossum]

I gu

i guess though what rocket333 and I are trying to understand a 19 yr old would not have much debt his parents still hold belief so why that’s the difference why not leave it open and as a missing person. And each to their own

To my understanding it will be left open as a missing person regardless of an inquest.

Even if an inquest and the coroner deems that they believe that the person is deceased (accidental or foul play) without a body or a confession I would imagine that the person would still be missing however presumed deceased.

And South Aussie can probably answer this one, would they still appear under Missing persons AFP sites or Missing persons registers if the coroner rules them as deceased, but no evidence found foul play.

My example would be,

Coroner rules that Theo climbed a cliff fell in the water and drowned due to misadventure as no other evidence suggests anything further.

As no remains found is he still listed as missing but presumed deceased?

I ask this question as listing someone as missing keeps them in the limelight on most of the sites.

What if in 5 years time his shoes, his phone his clothing turned up somewhere is an op shop or someone found them and there was no longer a missing persons case there showing Theo and his belongings.

 

[mussopossum]

So Theo is essentially missing. But they just wanted to hush it down so tourism and house prices remain at there peak. Great investigating rocket

Do you have a link to MSM article that shows that Theos case has been hushed down to keep tourism and house prices at their peak?

If so please provide this link to back up your comment above for us to understand more clearly.

 

[mussopossum]

I think we were just trying to ascertain if ‘missing person’ and ‘presumed deceased‘ were mutually exclusive, and why and when cases are sent to the coroner for investigation, in order to understand more about what the police know that we don’t, and where the police investigation is at. When there’s no press releases, you’re left to interpret any activity (or lack of).

ps I liked Jubelin and need to read up on why he was fired.

"ps I liked Jubelin and need to read up on why he was fired"

Many here on WS share a strong regard for Jubelin.
An amazing man who went above and beyond for family and missing / murdered victims.

 

[mussopossum]

Absolutely. I can’t help but think that group hold the answer .

If not the answer,

IMO they might know more than have let on.