Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Ann764]

No

Reckon that’d be a job for a police styled mediator, like an undercover cop or social worker or the like. Someone who doesn’t stand out too much but can infiltrate and discreetly negotiate.

no you have to use someone already in there. They may have skipped bale commit a petty theft. But enough to put them in the slammer.. It needs to be someone already in there that you can shake and own them or they go to jail . No one can just walk in and penetrate that info. Or those groups that info is as good as in the volt with them. Be years. Has to use someone in there. In the mean time they should be identifying the owner of the camp, they all know each other. And talk to the food shelter who’s missing behaving wires etc.
Those boys would have records. Tommy could describe that guy. I reckon based on our discussion re camp intact, but deserted, ( so strange there scared) if they weren’t they would have all taken a bit here and there. But they know they don’t want to mess around. Those boys I reckon were high And took him on a wild goose chase but around tommy so knew the parts well just another annoying tourist. But it’s turned bad. They were forced to do something with that guy too. So their hands are all tied. Tommy if he wore the cap their is a bit of covering happening.
We had problems here and the police put all those hunting cameras through the bush area. Don’t know why they haven’t put one in the spot near CC. See who goes there.

 

[mussopossum]

Can’t they track any phones in the same vacinity and path as his.

IMO LE probably have, we are just not privy to that information unfortunately

 

[Ann764]

Glad you mentioned that as I thought the same. Nothing to do with his living choices. It was how he kept talking, like rambling to fill the gaps. Like him saying how he feeds the animals and there’s lots of rats, and that there’s nothing to do in Canberra. He’d be anxious he’s going to get kicked out, but it was like he was trying too hard or over compensating. I don’t know him and that might just be his usual way.

Yeah seemed vague but fake. Smelt from a mile away

 

[mussopossum]

Also would’ve helped that it happened in a popular spot in Melbourne, and the cctv captured known crim Bailey following her. The police said no one followed Theo out of the bar, so there’s no one yet to follow I guess. How did no other cctv anywhere catch him, even briefly? I really like your ideas about dangling a big carrot at those that congregate around YAK and Tennyson, and live in the national park to hand over info.

Adrian Ernest Bailey
Just a horrible individual and such a sad case

 

[Ann764]

Glad you mentioned that as I thought the same. Nothing to do with his living choices. It was how he kept talking, like rambling to fill the gaps. Like him saying how he feeds the animals and there’s lots of rats, and that there’s nothing to do in Canberra. He’d be anxious he’s going to get kicked out, but it was like he was trying too hard or over compensating. I don’t know him and that might just be his usual way.

Yeah seemed vague bat fake. Smelt from a mile away

IMO LE probably have, we are just not privy to that information unfortunately

i don’t think so I don’t think they have really held the ball here if it wasn’t for his family. Why haven’t these boys being watched. Tommy was a joke. It’s like they just don’t see these people as being potentially as dangerous as they are. But your not generally long term homeless if you can get along with people or not dangerous. A lot are if older ex crime. Byron would be a grea place to target if you have a record skipping bale and want. To disappear. Cashed up tourists too. Just another passer by.

 

[Ann764]

Adrian Ernest Bailey
Just a horrible individual and such a sad case

Have you listened to the pod cast beenham valley road- the Kirra McLaughlin story
Shocker it’s unfolding still like Theo’s as they go. They are two young police officers who retired but were first on scene . They re investigate case. Family those there on night It’s fallen apart a bit lately one of the guys was unwell but they have got a coroners case reopened. It’s pretty intense. When you listen you just like Theo’s case. What the hell why has no one been charged etc

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO LE probably have, we are just not privy to that information unfortunately

Yes, we really do not know everything that the police have done, and they are not about to tell us. This is an active investigation.

We do know they have gathered CCTV, they have Theo's phone data, they have his ping activity, they physically searched for him for over 3 months (early June - mid Sep), they conducted multiple interviews.

The police do not give up. Just today it has been announced that there is new information - and a new suspect - in the case of 3 missing girls from 40 years ago.
Cops’ huge breakthrough in cold case murders

Our police and all of our first responders do a great job. And our country would be in a heck of a state without them.

 

[Ann764]

Th

Yes, we really do not know everything that the police have done, and they are not about to tell us. This is an active investigation.

We do know they have gathered CCTV, they have Theo's phone data, they have his ping activity, they physically searched for him for over 3 months (early June - 16th Sep), they conducted multiple interviews.

The police do not give up. Just today it has been announced that there is new information - and a new suspect - in the case of 3 missing girls from 40 years ago.
Cops’ huge breakthrough in cold case murders

Our police do a great job. And society would be in a heck of a state without them.

The family got the phone data and volunteers went around to the house asking for any footage we had on holiday houses but after a week most retape. I hope were not waiting 40 years god. That’s efficient anyway each to their own . I don’t know why everyone who left CM has not been questioned that night. . There are a lot of holes sorry

 

[Ann764]

Th

The family got the phone data and volunteers went around to the house asking for any footage we had on holiday houses but after a week most retape. I hope were not waiting 40 years god. That’s efficient anyway each to their own . I don’t know why everyone who left CM has not been questioned that night. . There are a lot of holes sorry

And please I’m not in any way putting there efforts down the wk between missing and searching was ball up.

 

[SouthAussie]

And please I’m not in any way putting there efforts down the wk between missing and searching was ball up.

Yes, the delay in reporting Theo missing was very bad for the search and investigation.
The first 48 hours are considered to be the most crucial time for gathering evidence in most serious crimes and investigations.

 

[Ann764]

T

Yes, the delay in reporting Theo missing was very bad for the search and investigation.
The first 48 hours are considered to be the most crucial time for gathering evidence in most serious crimes.

totally that just blew the whole thing apart. And people remember and talk in the firs 24-48 hours after a wk witnesses can’t correctly recall and people have got their story straight

 

[mussopossum]

Th

The family got the phone data and volunteers went around to the house asking for any footage we had on holiday houses but after a week most retape. I hope were not waiting 40 years god. That’s efficient anyway each to their own . I don’t know why everyone who left CM has not been questioned that night. . There are a lot of holes sorry

They may have been questioned,

The other issue is that Theo was not reported missing until June 6 and many of those in CM that night likely had gone back home overseas and once that happens it makes it hard to next to difficult for LE to get in touch with them.

Different countries and jurisdictions once they have left Australia.

LE may have already reached out to any internationals and Australians who were there that night, just another question we do not know the answer to, unfortunately.

 

[mussopossum]

Have you listened to the pod cast beenham valley road- the Kirra McLaughlin story
Shocker it’s unfolding still like Theo’s as they go. They are two young police officers who retired but were first on scene . They re investigate case. Family those there on night It’s fallen apart a bit lately one of the guys was unwell but they have got a coroners case reopened. It’s pretty intense. When you listen you just like Theo’s case. What the hell why has no one been charged etc

No I have not, I will google it now thanks for the heads up on that.

 

[Ann764]

They may have been questioned,

The other issue is that Theo was not reported missing until June 6 and many of those in CM that night likely had gone back home overseas and once that happens it makes it hard to next to difficult for LE to get in touch with them.

Different countries and jurisdictions once they have left Australia.

LE may have already reached out to any internationals and Australians who were there that night, just another question we do not know the answer to, unfortunately.

Yeah that’s what we’re say the wk . Was pivotal. However I still think that group of boys tommy etc has a lot of substance

 

[SouthAussie]

They may have been questioned,

The other issue is that Theo was not reported missing until June 6 and many of those in CM that night likely had gone back home overseas and once that happens it makes it hard to next to difficult for LE to get in touch with them.

Different countries and jurisdictions once they have left Australia.

LE may have already reached out to any internationals and Australians who were there that night, just another question we do not know the answer to, unfortunately.

Well, we know that the Belgian police got involved in the investigation, came over here to liaise with our police. If they could track down any backpackers from Europe who had left our country, and who may be of interest, the Belgian police may have taken on that task.

I am also aware that the Belgian police were very involved with a tower dump - a few tower dumps actually - in Europe (that eventually located some wanted terrorists). It could be possible that they are working on a tower dump of Byron Bay data, if they were given it when they came here.

 

[Ann764]

Yes, we really do not know everything that the police have done, and they are not about to tell us. This is an active investigation.

We do know they have gathered CCTV, they have Theo's phone data, they have his ping activity, they physically searched for him for over 3 months (early June - mid Sep), they conducted multiple interviews.

The police do not give up. Just today it has been announced that there is new information - and a new suspect - in the case of 3 missing girls from 40 years ago.
Cops’ huge breakthrough in cold case murders

Our police and all of our first responders do a great job. And our country would be in a heck of a state without them.

Look you have no idea when a child’s abused , your house is robbed who do you turn to sleepless nights etc. that station of detectives would be under the pump everyday. Then they had all these others investigators , police and volunteers etc coming in there investigation. It’s hard. I know!!!

 

[Rocket333]

T

totally that just blew the whole thing apart. And people remember and talk in the firs 24-48 hours after a wk witnesses can’t correctly recall and people have got their story straight

Yeah it’d be another cold case without the community and volunteers. To be fair, the police operate from a point of crime, and there’s been nothing to even hint at criminal activity occurring so far. Seems they are interpreting his disappearance as an accidental drowning and are awaiting the outcome of the coronial inquest or report. As much as we may object, if they’ve got no leads or reasons to pursue anything, what are they supposed to do if the higher ranks direct to pull up stumps?

 

[mussopossum]

Have you listened to the pod cast beenham valley road- the Kirra McLaughlin story
Shocker it’s unfolding still like Theo’s as they go. They are two young police officers who retired but were first on scene . They re investigate case. Family those there on night It’s fallen apart a bit lately one of the guys was unwell but they have got a coroners case reopened. It’s pretty intense. When you listen you just like Theo’s case. What the hell why has no one been charged etc

Just listening now its quite good, very similar to Theos podcast. Thanks for that I needed something else to listen to

 

[SouthAussie]

Yeah it’d be another cold case without the community and volunteers. To be fair, the police operate from a point of crime, and there’s been nothing to even hint at criminal activity occurring so far. Seems they are interpreting his disappearance as an accidental drowning and are awaiting the outcome of the coronial inquest or report. As much as we may object, if they’ve got no leads or reasons to pursue anything, what are they supposed to do if the higher ranks direct to pull up stumps?

I have to say that Theo's disappearance was referred very (relatively) quickly for a coronial inquest. Definitely an indication and presumption of death.

As we know, the good thing about an inquest is that the Coroner can compel people to speak.
It is also means a complete police brief will be prepared, and every detail will be put into that. Then a Coroner's Report will be produced, and much more will come to light about the investigation. That may answer (eventually) some of the many questions that people have.

 

[Ann764]

Yeah it’d be another cold case without the community and volunteers. To be fair, the police operate from a point of crime, and there’s been nothing to even hint at criminal activity occurring so far. Seems they are interpreting his disappearance as an accidental drowning and are awaiting the outcome of the coronial inquest or report. As much as we may object, if they’ve got no leads or reasons to pursue anything, what are they supposed to do if the higher ranks direct to pull up stumps?

No there is more to it but I don’t think it was some big gloriously made up plan I think he came in to contact with some shady characters . I don’t think he was looking for part or drugs just his hostel. They took him on a wild goose chase . And accidentally or not something happened at CC . As rocket333 stated it’s so bizzar that guys belongings are all as he left them. That’s unthinkable. I think those boys and he need a big shake up .