Australia - Toyah Cordingley, 24, body found on beach, 22 October 2018 #2

[iailwa]

It might be that they are showing so many cars because they don't know who the culprit is, but Toyah's phone pings imply that he would have passed through the intersection around that time. Or, of course, maybe I'm quite wrong and they do know who they're looking at but they're employing the many-car video strategy for reasons I wouldn't know.

They were already interested in the lake Placid area, seems they probably still are...?

 

[eucalyptuz]

From the first thread we know that Toyah (or perhaps just her car was seen heading northbound through Clifton beach at 1:58 and then Toyah’s vehicle was then later seen at the Wangetti south car park around 2:30...
That doesn’t leave much time for the perp to bring Toyah along the 800m to get to the crime scene, tie up the dog, assault and kill, remove clothing? Remove other items as well...phone, bag etc then walk back to car park and be in a vehicle heading south through Clifton beach only a couple of hours later...

 

[sleepinoz]

He wasn't on holidays at the beach

Who wasn't?

 

[iailwa]

From the first thread we know that Toyah (or perhaps just her car was seen heading northbound through Clifton beach at 1:58 and then Toyah’s vehicle was then later seen at the Wangetti south car park around 2:30...
That doesn’t leave much time for the perp to bring Toyah along the 800m to get to the crime scene, tie up the dog, assault and kill, remove clothing? Remove other items as well...phone, bag etc then walk back to car park and be in a vehicle heading south through Clifton beach only a couple of hours later...

Maybe she met him at the 800 metre mark, or there abouts, if he is an unknown? Or is she was walking with a known till then? But besides, it seems like quite a bit of time???... It's only 17 mins from Wangetti to Clifton Beach. Then just a further 15 mins or so to Lake Placid area

 

[iailwa]

Who wasn't?

It sounds like someone is yanking your chain

 

[JLZ]

I don't follow...

I knew of a case like this, many years ago; a beach rapist at an area I used to visit every year or two. He rode a bike up and down the beach looking for victims. It wasn't exactly remote, but often you'd go to the beach and see no one. I think I may have met him but I didn't make the connection until years after.

But if Toyah's killer disposed of stuff in the Caravonica area, it's likely he had a car or ute as well. Unless he's one of the motor bikes.

 

[sleepinoz]

Referring back to the bf's dog being reported missing by him up at spring creek near pd - if you go far enough up the creek its a mobile phone black spot. If you think about that in relation to alibi for the entire arvo and phone off, that would work neatly.

He wasn't on holidays at the beach

@Rachel9999 are you implying something here?

 

[eucalyptuz]

Have the police confirmed that Toyah was killed in the location she was found? If not, I guess the killing could have happened some place else and she may have been transported to Wangetti later in the afternoon.
I also suppose police must have a pretty good idea of T.O.D. and C.O.D. which might tighten up timelines even further.

 

[Jennifer17]

Have the police confirmed that Toyah was killed in the location she was found? If not, I guess the killing could have happened some place else and she may have been transported to Wangetti later in the afternoon.
I also suppose police must have a pretty good idea of T.O.D. and C.O.D. which might tighten up timelines even further.

I have wondered that too. Unlikely but not outside the realms of possibility. A kind of domestic murder and dumped to look like a sexual predator.

 

[bearbear]

2 and half hrs to rape, murder, tie up a dog and drive out of there seems ample time, especially if it was planned and he was waiting there for her

 

[knowledgethirsty]

I'm thinking maybe someone has an alibi... Could they maybe be asking did you see this car turning here etc.... Are they asking the numbered cars about on coming cars?
I am unsure of the location , how far is it from the beach?
I'm also thinking phone pings as well... Not only Toyah's but a suspect..

 

[Jennifer17]

2 and half hrs to rape, murder, tie up a dog and drive out of there seems ample time, especially if it was planned and he was waiting there for her

Most rapes are quick because of the adrenaline factor.

 

[bearbear]

Most rapes are quick because of the adrenaline factor.[/QUOTE}

 

[JLZ]

I have wondered that too. Unlikely but not outside the realms of possibility. A kind of domestic murder and dumped to look like a sexual predator.

Do you mean she returned home from Wangetti without her car being detected on the way back, was murdered at home and then dumped at Wangetti with the dog? Or do you mean a 'domestic' murder perhaps near Wangetti but relocated because the crime scene had an association to the killer?

 

[JLZ]

I'm thinking maybe someone has an alibi... Could they maybe be asking did you see this car turning here etc.... Are they asking the numbered cars about on coming cars?
I am unsure of the location , how far is it from the beach?
I'm also thinking phone pings as well... Not only Toyah's but a suspect..

Yes, it might be a question of what the cars didn't see. As in, you say you were here at such-and-such a time, and so were these sixty cars, and yet not one of them saw you?

 

[Jennifer17]

Do you mean she returned home from Wangetti without her car being detected on the way back, was murdered at home and then dumped at Wangetti with the dog? Or do you mean a 'domestic' murder perhaps near Wangetti but relocated because the crime scene had an association to the killer?

Didn't she have to go back to her home from the markets to collect her dog?

 

[bearbear]

yes so the whole ordeal could have been over in 5 minutes

 

[drsleuth]

yes so the whole ordeal could have been over in 5 minutes

I hope it was over very quickly for Toyah

 

[JLZ]

Didn't she have to go back to her home from the markets to collect her dog?

Ah OK, you mean murdered before the Wangetti trip that afternoon. Her car was seen on the way but not necessarily Toyah, so she might have already been dead. But . . . to move her from the car park to the crime scene, 800m in daylight, surely not?

 

[Rachel9999]

@Rachel9999 are you implying something here?

My first post you quote is not related to the second one. The second one refers to someone else’s suggestions that it’s possible for a holiday-maker to commit such a crime to which I responded that it wasn’t really... to which they referred to the Ripper travelling to England, to which I said ‘ but he wasn’t on holidays at the beach’