Australia- Two sisters in their 20s found dead inside Sydney unit had been there lengthy time, Suspicious deaths, June 2022

[dotr]

I am having deja vu. Wasn’t there another very similar case where two sisters had fled their country and religion and were found deceased in separate beds? Turned out to be self starvation and one died significantly earlier than the other. Am I imagining this? I think is was Los Angeles, California.

Sad, but true..
June 30, 2022

Father, 2 daughters starved to death in Renton apartment, medical examiner finds

A father and his two teenage daughters were found dead in a Renton apartment in Dec. 2021. On Thursday, the medical examiner ruled they all died from starvation, ruling the father intentionally starved himself days after his daughters died.

www.q13fox.com

 

[UnDiluted7]

The more I read, the more that comes to light... the more I think this is going to be explained by some form of horrible misadventure.

 

[branmuffin]

Just to point out but true muslims with faith would never harm these women as it's against the teachings. Their own family, however, could be a different problem as they may be of the persuasion that it's their duty to 'deal with' them.

I agree with your sentiments and lines of enquiry - poisoning doesn't sound likely does it? Unless it was a form of extreme sedation but then people tend to collapse on the spot or stumble around. They bought drinks at the filling station but did they order home delivery fast food perhaps? If it came from the same place, it could often be the same delivery person?

I'm afraid I don't agree with your premise that suicide by sedation is either collapsing on the spot or stumbling around. It's a fact that when women commit suicide there are several attempts before they actually do it, whereas men are usually successful on their first try because of the methods used (gun or hanging). Women are much more likely to use drugs to end their lives rather than leaving a messy corpse for their families to find.

I had a friend who committed suicide. She planned it ahead of time, leaving letters for people who mattered to her (not her parents). She wore her favourite dress, curled her hair and consumed enough drugs to ensure success. Her uncle said she looked like a princess lying there in bed. I kind of doubt that, personally, but at least she would have been intact.

Outside of opoids, most suicide deaths that involve drugs are in the category of benzodiazepines, things like Valium, Xanax and Klonopin. Considering the stress that these two young women must have endured it's quite possible a doctor may have prescribed them something to deal with anxiety. I'm not saying that's what happened to them but it is at least a consideration. You take too many of those pills you will just fade away since they affect the central nervous system, respiration and heart rates.

 

[SouthAussie]

Do we know they rejected Islam? I've met Muslims who show absolutely not visible signs of being Muslim.
But the demographic of the two suburbs is IMHO, a really important observation. The landlord of the first apartment has not said why they moved.

A few articles have been posted which say that the girls had renounced Islam and become atheists. It has been stated as "news out of Yemen".

Curtain of secrecy is lifted in death of Saudi sisters - 247 News Bulletin

New details have emerged about the death of two Saudi sisters who were found dead in their home in Sydney, Australia. The British press announced that the mystery of the mysterious deaths of the Saudi brothers began to be opened. New details have emerged regarding the death of two Saudi…

247newsbulletin.com

 

[Spartygirl]

Sad, but true..
June 30, 2022

Father, 2 daughters starved to death in Renton apartment, medical examiner finds

A father and his two teenage daughters were found dead in a Renton apartment in Dec. 2021. On Thursday, the medical examiner ruled they all died from starvation, ruling the father intentionally starved himself days after his daughters died.

www.q13fox.com

OMG
Why??
did they not have $$ for food ??

How sad

 

[Arboreal]

A few articles have been posted which say that the girls had renounced Islam and become atheists. It has been stated as "news out of Yemen".

Curtain of secrecy is lifted in death of Saudi sisters - 247 News Bulletin

New details have emerged about the death of two Saudi sisters who were found dead in their home in Sydney, Australia. The British press announced that the mystery of the mysterious deaths of the Saudi brothers began to be opened. New details have emerged regarding the death of two Saudi…

247newsbulletin.com

Thanks for posting that. It is interesting that the story says they "fled" but other news outlets, such as the Guardian says they came to Australia as students.
Hopefully, we will obtain more clarity on whether the Alsehli sisters did renounce Islam and by that commit apostasy.
to be sure, renouncing Islam is a crime and for some fundamentalist Muslims is a crime punishable by death. See: Saudi court sentences poet to death for renouncing Islam. This sentence was commuted. In some Muslim countries, such as Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania and Saudi Arabia blasphemy is punishable by death; in others it is not. It does not matter that it is not often carried out. Not in frequently, people accused of apostasy, blasphemy, typically, insulting Mohammed, in some countries, are murdered by mobs or even their own families and the justification is religious. We must remember that Islam has a wide variety of expressions, like Christianity, and there is often tensions between the different expressions and, in my experience, many Muslim countries are peaceful, tolerant and welcoming.

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks for posting that. It is interesting that the story says they "fled" but other news outlets, such as the Guardian says they came to Australia as students.
Hopefully, we will obtain more clarity on whether the Alsehli sisters did renounce Islam and by that commit apostasy.
to be sure, renouncing Islam is a crime and for some fundamentalist Muslims is a crime punishable by death. See: Saudi court sentences poet to death for renouncing Islam. This sentence was commuted. In some Muslim countries, such as Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania and Saudi Arabia blasphemy is punishable by death; in others it is not. It does not matter that it is not often carried out. Not in frequently, people accused of apostasy, blasphemy, typically, insulting Mohammed, in
some countries, are murdered by mobs or even their own families and the justification is religious. We must remember that Islam has a wide variety of expressions, like Christianity, and there is often tensions between the different expressions and, in my experience, many Muslim countries are peaceful, tolerant and welcoming.

1) there is a mess as to were these girls the Saudi Sisters who came via Hong Kong, or some other girls? I believe either people from the gas station could listen to the interview the Time posted and tell if the voice was the same, or maybe Michael Vidler could tell whether these were his clients? He lives in GB. Otherwise there is a dichotomy- question of their arrival to AU. Now, I assume they could have moved to Australia in 2019 but the official version was “to study”.

2) in general, as you said, there are many denominations of Islam, and they are very different; some are very tolerant. Sufism is an interesting practice. (And not to forget, our “Big Three” religions are very similar). Sadly, cases like the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi, made a bad PR for the Saudis. I am afraid that if the girls were the same #HongKongSisters, the possibility of SA involvement can not be excluded. If they were different, then, maybe, it was something closer.

 

[Charlot123]

OMG
Why??
did they not have $$ for food ??

How sad

I think something different. It is my state, Renton is in King county, one of the most liberal states in US, where lots is done for homeless, so to die of hunger would be impossible. I can ask around and read, but to me it seems that the father was religious and had some odd fasting practices? Or maybe, the kids had untreated anorexia?
ETA: I read several articles. There are many. Not anorexia, and mother had full custody, and called CPS a few times; so she tried; but an odd cult that the father joined, and some odd fasting practices, because the girls were afraid to burn in hell, ended up in tragedy. The verdict as of today is, all three died of malnutrition, but it was not lack of money for food, more self-induced in the context of father's idiosyncratic beliefs and probably untreated mental illness.

 

[whiterhino]

Some things that stood out for me: The landlord seems to know an awful lot. The comments "cute and friendly" and the part about "they were quiet but stayed up all night". Strange IMO. Apparently the mother had visited briefly. The sisters were there to study.

They were found in separate bedrooms. Were they in their beds when they died? Weird. JMO. Even if it were food poisoning as some speculated, would they both have really stayed in their beds/bedrooms just lying there? There are usually a number of symptoms of food poisoning (any poison), often so unbearable people tend to take themselves to the hospital.

By now I'm assuming something like this would have been discovered. Or again, as others speculated, is it possible one sister did something to the other and themselves as well?

Not to make light but this seems like something from an episode of Miss Marple.

One of them had a restraining order at one point against an ex bf IIRC. There was also an "incident" with someone keying their BMW. Then, the wellness check in March.

It's difficult to see this as having happened naturally, without any human interference.

Maybe someone was let into the building? Or already lived there?

 

[Charlot123]

Some things that stood out for me: The landlord seems to know an awful lot. The comments "cute and friendly" and the part about "they were quiet but stayed up all night". Strange IMO. Apparently the mother had visited briefly. The sisters were there to study.

They were found in separate bedrooms. Were they in their beds when they died? Weird. JMO. Even if it were food poisoning as some speculated, would they both have really stayed in their beds/bedrooms just lying there? There are usually a number of symptoms of food poisoning (any poison), often so unbearable people tend to take themselves to the hospital.

By now I'm assuming something like this would have been discovered. Or again, as others speculated, is it possible one sister did something to the other and themselves as well?

Not to make light but this seems like something from an episode of Miss Marple.

One of them had a restraining order at one point against an ex bf IIRC. There was also an "incident" with someone keying their BMW. Then, the wellness check in March.

It's difficult to see this as having happened naturally, without any human interference.

Maybe someone was let into the building? Or already lived there?

You know, I once, eons ago, observed the symptoms of a certain heavy metal poisoning. It looked like a bad flu with paresthesias (pain in body, skin burning) and horrible tiredness. The fact that it was a heavy metal reminded me of "Agatha Christie's episode", and in fact, the symptoms that Agatha described might have saved a lot of people in the world, later, but if poisoned, one has to live into these symptoms emerging, they are not the first ones. If people die earlier, they'd die with the symptoms of some mysterious infectious disease, and absolute waste of energy (likely, cardiac problems; forgot, cardiac muscle needs to be tested for their presence).

That situation that I witnessed was so unusual, that I called to the Poison Control Centers in several countries, and heard that it was an "Oriental" way of poisoning. Also, i found out that one can gulp a portion of the poison and die immediately, or survive; alternatively, this stuff may be slowly added it to food/drinks and the end is worse.

It can even take years, as historic evidence tells us.

We shall know more; but spectroscopy of whatever tissues could be salvaged is interesting.

(I even wonder if these lattes...some food where the poison can be continuously added in tiny amounts...did any worker later leave that gas station for no reason?).

I also have a question: if the sisters said their food was tampered with, did they complain of metallic taste?

Here just in case the list of heavy metals

Heavy Metal Poisoning - Lead, Mercury, Arsenic and Cadmium

Learn about Heavy Metal Poisoning, including symptoms, causes, and treatments. If you or a loved one is affected by this condition, visit NORD to find

rarediseases.org

 

[whiterhino]

You know, I once, eons ago, observed the symptoms of a certain heavy metal poisoning. It looked like a bad flu with paresthesias (pain in body, skin burning) and horrible tiredness. The fact that it was a heavy metal reminded me of "Agatha Christie's episode", and in fact, the symptoms that Agatha described might have saved a lot of people in the world, later, but if poisoned, one has to live into these symptoms emerging, they are not the first ones. If people die earlier, they'd die with the symptoms of some mysterious infectious disease, and absolute waste of energy (likely, cardiac problems; forgot, cardiac muscle needs to be tested for their presence).

That situation that I witnessed was so unusual, that I called to the Poison Control Centers in several countries, and heard that it was an "Oriental" way of poisoning. Also, i found out that one can gulp a portion of the poison and die immediately, or survive; alternatively, this stuff may be slowly added it to food/drinks and the end is worse.

It can even take years, as historic evidence tells us.

We shall know more; but spectroscopy of whatever tissues could be salvaged is interesting.

(I even wonder if these lattes...some food where the poison can be continuously added in tiny amounts...did any worker later leave that gas station for no reason?).

I also have a question: if the sisters said their food was tampered with, did they complain of metallic taste?

Here just in case the list of heavy metals

Heavy Metal Poisoning - Lead, Mercury, Arsenic and Cadmium

Learn about Heavy Metal Poisoning, including symptoms, causes, and treatments. If you or a loved one is affected by this condition, visit NORD to find

rarediseases.org

Same with plants, flowers etc. The body has to be tested for specific toxins otherwise it goes undetected or looks like something else.

I suppose it's possible someone was "dosing" the sisters? However it still seems a bit strange that they both (looks like) died in their bedrooms, together, assuming around the same time. Unless someone gave them a final, lethal dose? IMO it seems more likely that either one of the sisters did something to take both their lives OR someone else did this to them both. Either that or somehow they both died in their beds (?) somewhat simultaneously of natural causes (really though?).

I've read stories of people being poisoned by toxic A/C. Is this possible?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

SYDNEY SAUDI 'MURDER' MYSTERY TIMELINE​

2017: Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, are believed to have fled Saudi Arabia during a family holiday - with $5000. They flew to Sydney, via Hong Kong, and made contact with a refugee centre.

2019: Asra took an AVO out against a man, but it was later dismissed.

2020: They frequently visited a service station around their flat, with locals describing them as 'friendly'.

2022: Police conducted two welfare checks early in the year.
In one of the checks, the pair were described as 'timid' and refused to let anyone enter the apartment.

They eventually allowed officers to enter, but stayed huddled together in the far corner of the unit.

May, 2022: The owner of their Canterbury unit filed a civil case against Asra on May 13.

That action was taken four weeks after sheriff's officers went to the apartment to serve the women with an eviction notice.

June 7, 2022: Officers conducting a welfare check made the grisly discovery.
There was no sign of forced entry.
Police believe the sisters died in May, but have not been able to determine a cause of death.

Saudi sisters seeking asylum in Australia before being found dead

Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, each had an active claim for asylum in progress with the Department of Home Affairs, it has been confirmed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

If the sisters came to Australia to study with "family blessing", how come no relative informed Australian authorities that there was no contact with the girls for over a month?
Didn't they talk on the phone at least once a week?
People use webcams to chat with families/friends abroad these days.

And yet, they were only found dead b/c rent was not paid in time.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I’m stuck on this article and others re: the use of “rice pills“ as a means of suicide in the Middle East.

'Rice pill' cheap killer in Iran

Iranian authorities are warning people to not take aluminium phosphide pills, known as rice pills, as a quick means to suicide.

www.al-monitor.com

*Eta: I also find it curious their middle names “Abdullah” mean “Servant of God”

Abdullah (name) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bfew]

Somehow i feel that if close sisters were near death, whether it was suicide or accidental, wouldn't they want to be in the same room and die together?

Akin to the 2018 NY US tied together with duct tape Saudi sisters alleged "suicide" case.

Sisters went on massive spending spree before suicide pact: cops​

 

[bfew]

Hmmm, I can't make the timing work:

Australian sisters: arrived in 2017..
Hong Kong sisters: arrived in Sept. 2018, on their way to Australia. Still in HK in Feb. 2019.

I think these are different sisters.

Or there is misinfo/disinfo or just incorrect info in one or more of the media articles about these dates.

 

[bfew]

Then they moved to Canterbury, which has no Middle Eastern demographic at all.

Have seen all the new apartments that went up around Canterbury Road, Canterbury over the last 5 or so years?

I would have thought there would be a big mix of cultures there, including Middle Eastern in these, living and/or working in the small businesses and retail near them. Particularly with Belmore, Punchbowl, Lakemba etc, not too far away.

I would not rely on Wikipedia to be up to date on this matter.

I know for a fact that a few years back, at the local Canterbury Boys High and Canterbury Girls High school's nearby, there used to be a decent size cohort from the Muslim faith. (First and very reliable 2nd hand knowledge of this)

 

[bfew]

if they were employed, why did their workmates or employer not raise the alarm? It took the non-payment of rent to bring police to the unit.

And why/how when there had already been 3 police checks on the girls when they were still alive, did their mail pile up for a month, and no Police check actually occur during the month they were deceased.

Particularly when Police would/should? have been well aware of their nationality, and probably some/all of their backstory, and risk, as a result of knowing this.

 

[Dotta]

The first part of their stay in Australia seemed normal:

- mother visited,
-they studied, worked (landlord's report),
-had social life (sister had a boyfriend).

Then something changed:

-AVO against boyfriend (red flag),
-change of address,
-incident with "keying" of their car,
-strange timid behaviour,
-wellness checks,
-constant trips to petrol station,
-buying petrol only at night,
-complaining about food tampering,
-did they study or work still?
(their ABN were active).

And finally, suspicious death of both women.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Another story of Saudi sisters:

Over a period of two months in 2019, VICE News followed two Saudi sisters who escaped from their family and are struggling to break free from their old lives, once dictated by Saudi Arabia's oppressive guardianship laws. This VICE News Special Report, "Escaping The Kingdom" originally aired in August 2019.