The other problem with the claim the mother visited them is that this appeared to have occurred when they were living in their first apartment, in Fairfield. This was approx. 2017-2019 or so. Until August, 2019, Saudi women were heavily restricted in travelling abroad and typically required a male relative to accompany them, a mahram.
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There could also be a religious reason. For some very traditional and literalist Muslims, showing images of people, and particularly, showing images of women not dressed in a manner considered to be in accordance with religious mores (wearing at least a hijab), is offensive but also against the religion. Not much has been released about the family, but if they are traditional, that could be a reason for not wanting the photos released.
The Daily Mail says they were on bridging visas.
The Guardian article I referenced in the time line said they had an active refugee claim. This suggests it had not been finalised and they were still in limbo, awaiting a decision, which tallies with the bridging visa claim. However, until the Federal government reveals the sisters' status, all we have to go on is the Guardian article and this one from the Daily Mail. As noted, they were on bridging visas. And it seems strange that a refugee/asylum claim should take so long for people who were not in detention.
Apologies - my browser/internet connection/something technical went haywire and I ended up making multiple posts with more or less the same content. Hence I removed the earlier ones. Sorry, folks.
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It seems to me, regardless of the rules, their mother would have had someone travel with her. It's unlikely she was a confident solo international traveller. But a man wouldn't come to the girls's apartment. Probably stay in a hotel.
IMO, whoever reported this tidbit likely didn't have the complete information...gossips rarely do.
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It was explained a few pages back in the thread by @chimpface and another poster. Students take this job and register ABNs' as a means of "subcontracting" work. IMHO it sounds like a kind of scam but what do I know?
Agree, there is some kind of exploitation going on there within that work, so it seems.
I don't know if this contributed to their deaths. Possibly could have added to the stress in their lives which resulted in their deaths somehow?
I think it is a way of getting around the immigration rules that international students are in Australia on study visas and are only allowed to work part-time while attending school. UK, Canada have the same rules, US is even more strict. And those countries don't have a similar person business number system, that can be a dubious sounding work around.
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The Australian study visa rules were hugely relaxed during this ongoing COVID pandemic.
Temporary relaxation of working hours for student visa holders
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I can't speak to Australian jobs, but in the U.S., independent contractor jobs offer significantly greater flexibility in schedule, time off, tax write-offs, etc. In my experience, there are at least as many pluses as minuses in a contactor position. Unless Australia is different, these positions are not exploiting workers. MOO
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I wonder if it, indeed, was their mother who visited the girls. Living in a male-dominant world, she might have felt concerned about her two daughters. The visit could even have been under the pretext of persuading the girls to return home. However, from whatever scanty observations I have made looking at my conservative Muslim acquaintances here - and understanding that they may even not be conservative back home - it is simply a very different system. Yes, women don’t work; it is the husband’s job to bring in the money, but how the money is spent, is the wife’s sole decision. What to do with the household, is the wife’s choice. Where to educate kids and raising them falls on her. I remember how surprised I was to hear “my house” for the first time (it is “our house” for me), but indeed, in Muslim world, a woman runs the household.
Anyhow - I can imagine that the mother could have bought the girls a car and paid for their living expenses. Maybe that hapless experience with the boyfriend (they barely escaped an abusive household at home and ran into an abusive guy in the Western world!) contributed to the girls’ decision to move, not work and just go to school? And then COVID hit.
In an article I read yesterday, it said that they did have a problem paying their rent the previous month, and said they’d get the money soon. I wonder, COVID hit everywhere, maybe their support at home was ill, or something else? If visa/asylum problems started at that time, small wonder they were depressed.
Anyhow - I can imagine that the mother could have bought the girls a car and paid for their living expenses. Maybe that hapless experience with the boyfriend (they barely escaped an abusive household at home and ran into an abusive guy in the Western world!) contributed to the girls’ decision to move, not work and just go to school? And then COVID hit.
In an article I read yesterday, it said that they did have a problem paying their rent the previous month, and said they’d get the money soon. I wonder, COVID hit everywhere, maybe their support at home was ill, or something else? If visa/asylum problems started at that time, small wonder they were depressed.
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It is the same here. I have an ABN and do all of my work using that ABN. For all of those reasons you have stated.
And people with ABNs just build the 'employee benefits' such as Superannuation, medical leave, annual leave into the agreed hourly rate for their work.
It's not a same... it's standard really when you are in Australia temporarily, everyone I knew had one.
How To Apply For An ABN For International Students
This article details how to apply for an ABN for international students. It is a very simple process and is free if you apply online through the ABR.
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When I first got to Australia, I went through a company that helped me open a bank account, get a tax file number, ABN, sim card etc so I was good to go within a week or arriving. All of it was registered to their office address in Sydney.
I personally think they were hyper vigilant because they thought they were under threat (and probably had some reason to feel this) Given that they are now dead, it may have been true. But also might have made them so distressed by the whole situation they took their own lives.
True, so many murders at the hands of partners and ex-partners, statistically the likelihood. Perhaps not in this case according to the DM.
Mystery man who was hit by restraining order by Saudi sister speaks
The man told the Daily Telegraph he struck up a non-romantic friendship with Asra after 'meeting her on the street', before a 'small fight' led her to contact police and take out an AVO.
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If nothing happened afterwards, yes. But with these suspicious deaths, all their complaints tie into a possibility of feeling threatened for a reason. I hope AU police is active on this case and maybe, will trace a doctor they visited, if any, and the source of their money, and reconstruct their stories.
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Here is the part I paid attention to in that article.
“Their rental agent Jay Hu revealed the women were originally 'good' tenants when they first moved in two years ago and had proof of 'ample' savings before falling behind on rent earlier this year.
'They stopped paying rent, so my colleague contacted them … they said the money would be coming soon,' he told the Daily Telegraph.
'But it still didn't come … a few more weeks went by and still not paid.'”
So I wonder if there was some support for them in SA, who since (lost money? Divorced? Got ill?)
That recently this year they lost their source of income?
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“Their rental agent Jay Hu revealed the women were originally 'good' tenants when they first moved in two years ago and had proof of 'ample' savings before falling behind on rent earlier this year.
'They stopped paying rent, so my colleague contacted them … they said the money would be coming soon,' he told the Daily Telegraph.
'But it still didn't come … a few more weeks went by and still not paid.'”
So I wonder if there was some support for them in SA, who since (lost money? Divorced? Got ill?)
That recently this year they lost their source of income?
Mystery man who was hit by restraining order by Saudi sister speaks
Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 24, and Amaal Abdullah Alsehli, 23, were found dead inside their Canterbury unit in Sydney's south-west on June 7, five years after they fled their homeland.
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