Australia- Two sisters in their 20s found dead inside Sydney unit had been there lengthy time, Suspicious deaths, June 2022

[Laughing]

A few articles have been posted which say that the girls had renounced Islam and become atheists. It has been stated as "news out of Yemen".

Curtain of secrecy is lifted in death of Saudi sisters - 247 News Bulletin

New details have emerged about the death of two Saudi sisters who were found dead in their home in Sydney, Australia. The British press announced that the mystery of the mysterious deaths of the Saudi brothers began to be opened. New details have emerged regarding the death of two Saudi…

247newsbulletin.com

bbm

I wonder if/how this media is slanted, is this written to shock readers, to show that the parents did not fail but the rebellious daughters renounced Islam?

A warning not to travel with your daughters out of the country, or let them study in other countries?

IMHO it would be easier to believe the young ladies renounced Islam & defied their family & the country's morals entirely than to believe that these two observant Muslim ladies saw lots happening in their family & their nation that was not actually in line with Islam and had the wherewithal to leave to practice Islam somewhere else.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[dotr]

I’m stuck on this article and others re: the use of “rice pills“ as a means of suicide in the Middle East.

'Rice pill' cheap killer in Iran

Iranian authorities are warning people to not take aluminium phosphide pills, known as rice pills, as a quick means to suicide.

www.al-monitor.com

*Eta: I also find it curious their middle names “Abdullah” mean “Servant of God”

Abdullah (name) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The rice pill info was interesting, something to keep in mind for other cases too, imo.
rbbm from link..
''Iran’s Food and Drug Administration announced that in Esfehan, rice pill overdoses had led to several youth deaths. These cases were initially reported as overdoses of Ecstasy pills, but physicians discovered that the deaths were in fact caused by rice pills. The conclusion drawn from these cases, based upon further information provided by friends and family, was that the youths were sold rice pills instead of the Ecstasy they were seeking.''

''The dealers were never caught, and the logic behind their selling rice pills instead of Ecstasy could be attributed to the higher cost of Ecstasy and the ease of access to rice pills.''

 

[Charlot123]

Same with plants, flowers etc. The body has to be tested for specific toxins otherwise it goes undetected or looks like something else.

I suppose it's possible someone was "dosing" the sisters? However it still seems a bit strange that they both (looks like) died in their bedrooms, together, assuming around the same time. Unless someone gave them a final, lethal dose? IMO it seems more likely that either one of the sisters did something to take both their lives OR someone else did this to them both. Either that or somehow they both died in their beds (?) somewhat simultaneously of natural causes (really though?).

I've read stories of people being poisoned by toxic A/C. Is this possible?

If A/C is air conditioner, then, yes, them and cooling towers. Legionnaires' disease - Wikipedia

 

[Via Marple]

I am guessing that this is the apartment where they died. It is now being rented out again. Lots of pictures and detailed descriptions.
https://www.domain.com.au/115-314-canterbury-road-canterbury-nsw-2193-12657309

 

[Charlot123]

I’m stuck on this article and others re: the use of “rice pills“ as a means of suicide in the Middle East.

'Rice pill' cheap killer in Iran

Iranian authorities are warning people to not take aluminium phosphide pills, known as rice pills, as a quick means to suicide.

www.al-monitor.com

*Eta: I also find it curious their middle names “Abdullah” mean “Servant of God”

Abdullah (name) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting information about rice pills, thank you. If someone poisons you, though, first, it is not momentous, like cyanide. Second, how would they taste? Wouldn’t metallic taste be a giveaway?

About Abdullah. It is strange that both girls have second name of Abdullah, especially since female version should be Amahallah.

The structure of Arabic names is somewhat different.

Arabic name - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It is the Western habit to give a “middle name”. Middle names might originate from Catholicism, and in fact, aristocratic families had more than one (up to 36 in Spanish nobility, to confuse the devil, they would say). In Eastern Orthodox religion it is less common to have a middle name. When I moved to the US, I used my patronymic as my second name…

Now, given that Abdullah is a traditional male name. I wonder if both girls wanted to be Westernized, and hence, used their dad’s name as their second one.

 

[Charlot123]

bbm

I wonder if/how this media is slanted, is this written to shock readers, to show that the parents did not fail but the rebellious daughters renounced Islam?

A warning not to travel with your daughters out of the country, or let them study in other countries?

IMHO it would be easier to believe the young ladies renounced Islam & defied their family & the country's morals entirely than to believe that these two observant Muslim ladies saw lots happening in their family & their nation that was not actually in line with Islam and had the wherewithal to leave to practice Islam somewhere else.

jmho ymmv lrr

If these are the same Hong Kong sisters that escaped from a family vacation in 2017, then, the statement that they denounced Islam came from Michael Vidler, their lawyer, who said they could be killed if returned back to SA. Their temporary visa in HK was expiring, and he needed to speed the case up; this being said, the girls probably did post something on Twitter to that extent (of not believing). The articles say that Asra was the first to stop believing, in 2016, and Amal followed suit in 2017. But, maybe they still remained spiritual, in a way, just not ultra-conservative?

 

[Via Marple]

Have seen all the new apartments that went up around Canterbury Road, Canterbury over the last 5 or so years?

I would have thought there would be a big mix of cultures there, including Middle Eastern in these, living and/or working in the small businesses and retail near them. Particularly with Belmore, Punchbowl, Lakemba etc, not too far away.

I would not rely on Wikipedia to be up to date on this matter.

I know for a fact that a few years back, at the local Canterbury Boys High and Canterbury Girls High school's nearby, there used to be a decent size cohort from the Muslim faith. (First and very reliable 2nd hand knowledge of this)

I am also surprised that Middle Eastern is not well represented at Canterbury. But perhaps it is now more like Campsie than Belmore. Campsie is very Asian, if the main street around the station is any clue.

The rental agent has a Chinese name btw.

 

[Dotta]

If A/C is air conditioner, then, yes, them and cooling towers. Legionnaires' disease - Wikipedia

But wouldn't this L.disease affect other residents in the building?

Apartments for rent are strictly maintained and checked regularly I think.
Did anybody else die in suspicious way in this building?

I strongly suspect food poisoning in this case.
Why did the sisters even mention tampering with their food?
Isn't it strange?
They died after all.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

But wouldn't this L.disease affect other residents in the building?

Apartments for rent are strictly maintained and checked regularly I think.
Did anybody else die in suspicious way in this building?

I strongly suspect food poisoning in this case.
Why did the sisters even mention tampering with their food?
Isn't it strange?
They died after all.

Agree. Energy drinks are often used to curb appetite. I think they may have been fearful of eating at times. I also wonder about their drive for studying. If they were in their beds/bedroom, were any books or study materials found within their surroundings?

 

[Dotta]

Agree. Energy drinks are often used to curb appetite. I think they may have been fearful of eating at times. I also wonder about their drive for studying. If they were in their beds/bedroom, were any books or study materials found within their surroundings?

I wonder if they studied online (covid restrictions).

It was said they rarely left the apartament and only went to this petrol station - several times a day!

Also, it was reported that they parked their car in the wrong place.
What does it mean I wonder?
Did they park on somebody else's place?

 

[Charlot123]

But wouldn't this L.disease affect other residents in the building?

Apartments for rent are strictly maintained and checked regularly I think.
Did anybody else die in suspicious way in this building?

I strongly suspect food poisoning in this case.
Why did the sisters even mention tampering with their food?
Isn't it strange?
They died after all.

I don’t think it was LP. LP came from dirty water in “those” A/CS and an outbreak of atypical pneumonias. I don’t expect it to be a common problem nowadays. Plus, the chance of both sisters dying from Legionella pneumonia is incredibly low. I was merely answering the question about A/C, this is all.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I wonder if they studied online (covid restrictions).

It was said they rarely left the apartament and only went to this petrol station - several times a day!

Also, it was reported that they parked their car in the wrong place.
What does it mean I wonder?
Did they park on somebody else's place?

Saudi women are prohibited from driving. Their need for petrol and reports of shopping tells me they enjoyed driving. Perhaps someone else didn’t enjoy seeing a Saudi woman in the driver’s seat. Maybe they were trying to avoid another keying incident. The more I read and hear about Saudi women’s struggle, the more upset I get. I find it telling about these sister’s strength and bravery for escaping misery. It makes me really sad and I just can’t look away…

Saudi Arabia: ‘Unofficial’ Guardianship Rules Banned

Saudi Arabia has a tremendous opportunity to root out all vestiges of the guardianship system.

www.hrw.org

 

[Dotta]

Saudi women are prohibited from driving. Their need for petrol and reports of shopping tells me they enjoyed driving. Perhaps someone else didn’t enjoy seeing a Saudi woman in the driver’s seat. Maybe they were trying to avoid another keying incident. The more I read and hear about Saudi women’s struggle, the more upset I get. I find it telling about these sister’s strength and bravery for escaping misery. It makes me really sad and I just can’t look away…

Saudi Arabia: ‘Unofficial’ Guardianship Rules Banned

Saudi Arabia has a tremendous opportunity to root out all vestiges of the guardianship system.

www.hrw.org

So them buying petrol at night makes sense.
They didn't want to be spotted.
This case really got to me.
Very sad.

 

[Charlot123]

Agree. Energy drinks are often used to curb appetite. I think they may have been fearful of eating at times. I also wonder about their drive for studying. If they were in their beds/bedroom, were any books or study materials found within their surroundings?

I can explain it two-fold.

1) after all, they were very young adults who probably were raised in a strict atmosphere, so staying up all night is a “teenage” behavior. Especially if they were night owls. (I am.)

2) if they were afraid of someone attacking them, then of course if would make sense to be awake at night; but this would not explain the tendency to fill in car at night, though.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Fairfield's large Iraqi and Assyrian community has had the media describe the suburb as 'Little Iraq' or 'Little Baghdad'. More Iraqi businesses have opened in Fairfield, mostly around Ware Street. These businesses include everything from jewelleryshops to restaurants, making the area favourite entertainment and shopping hotspot for the Iraqi and Assyrian community.

*I’d like to know what they bought when they went shopping. Clothes, jewelry, books, food? Did someone spot them while shopping? I’m curious why they chose to settle in Fairfield…

 

[Dotta]

Fairfield's large Iraqi and Assyrian community has had the media describe the suburb as 'Little Iraq' or 'Little Baghdad'. More Iraqi businesses have opened in Fairfield, mostly around Ware Street. These businesses include everything from jewelleryshops to restaurants, making the area favourite entertainment and shopping hotspot for the Iraqi and Assyrian community.

*I’d like to know what they bought when they went shopping. Clothes, jewelry, books, food? Did someone spot them while shopping? I’m curious why they chose to settle in Fairfield…

So the Iraqi boyfriend might have been a neighbour.

 

[rozellaabatovsf60]

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[Dotta]

Interesting...

- Iraqi boyfriend (probably a neighbour, Iraqi community),
-the girls behaved normally (studies, work, shopping, etc.)

And boom! AVO!

-The sisters changed neighbourhood.
-Started behaving strangely.
-Started living like hermits.


But, maybe I'm reading too much into boyfriend issue.

Maybe these things are not related.
I guess Police checked these matters.

MOO

 

[evilwise]

I notice that the article with the almost victim-blaming tone about them becoming atheists at one point refers to them as "brothers" which makes me suspect it's been machine translated from Arabic.

It's entirely believable that girls like this might initially be attracted to someone because of common culture but then at a certain point become afraid of them because of that exact same common culture.

I doubt the guy killed them though, especially considering the (few) facts we do know. However, he may have been a big factor contributing to mental illness.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

But wouldn't this L.disease affect other residents in the building?

Apartments for rent are strictly maintained and checked regularly I think.
Did anybody else die in suspicious way in this building?

I strongly suspect food poisoning in this case.
Why did the sisters even mention tampering with their food?
Isn't it strange?
They died after all.

Modern apartments tend to have all the utilities isolated for health and safety reasons, to prevent the spread of fire or fumes or gases. Older buildings don't and can be 'pre-regulation'. Legionnaire's disease can spread rapidly around large office blocks and institutional buildings via the air ducts.

If these young women had a gas boiler or gas heating and it was cold weather (as has been confirmed) then despite their complex history, my biggest suspicion is carbon monoxide poisoning as it's so common and kills people exactly in this manner - at night asleep in bed A death from carbon monoxide can be detected at post mortem however, in this situation, who knows due to the time gone by. Also it can be detected from examining and checking the equipment for leaks - or rather, improper fumes venting, but a landlord would want to cover that up really quickly if it happened.