I would think having a burger take away restaurant in the building might be undesirable/
burdensome for residents, no?
I mean, crowds of strangers (customers, drivers), noise, smell, etc.
Security nightmare.
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burdensome for residents, no?
I mean, crowds of strangers (customers, drivers), noise, smell, etc.
Security nightmare.
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That usually means it's considered suicide.
And it's always not just one news outlet when that happens, they all do.
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''Their remains were in such an advanced state of decay that it is proving difficult to establish how they died.
A man who was friends with Asra, 24, said he was never invited inside the sisters’ home and said he did not know where she worked.
“She told me nothing about her life like that … I did not go to her home, I meet her out, you know, not in the house,” he told the Daily Telegraph.''
''An employee from the sisters’ building management company earlier revealed the women approached them with safety concerns months before their deaths.
“They made a report that they saw a man ’acting weird’ outside the building - standing between two cars and acting strange,” the employee told Daily Mail Australia, noting they could see no malicious intentions.''
''Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.''
''Their remains were in such an advanced state of decay that it is proving difficult to establish how they died.
A man who was friends with Asra, 24, said he was never invited inside the sisters’ home and said he did not know where she worked.
“She told me nothing about her life like that … I did not go to her home, I meet her out, you know, not in the house,” he told the Daily Telegraph.''
''An employee from the sisters’ building management company earlier revealed the women approached them with safety concerns months before their deaths.
“They made a report that they saw a man ’acting weird’ outside the building - standing between two cars and acting strange,” the employee told Daily Mail Australia, noting they could see no malicious intentions.''
''Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.''
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This DT article (referenced in this post by dotr) also says ....
- There is high level testing going on. The remains are not being tested in the usual DAL (Division of Analytic Laboratories) in Lidcombe. They are being tested by 'experts in specific things'.
- Another source told the DT the fact that the matter was still in the hands of the Burwood Local Area Command and hadn't been handed to the Homicide Division indicated that so far they have not come across anything suspicious.
- Persons close to the girls were told by the girls that they couldn't go home due to covid, not because of a family relationship breakdown.
- There is high level testing going on. The remains are not being tested in the usual DAL (Division of Analytic Laboratories) in Lidcombe. They are being tested by 'experts in specific things'.
- Another source told the DT the fact that the matter was still in the hands of the Burwood Local Area Command and hadn't been handed to the Homicide Division indicated that so far they have not come across anything suspicious.
- Persons close to the girls were told by the girls that they couldn't go home due to covid, not because of a family relationship breakdown.
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Saudi sisters lived secretive lives before they were found dead in Sydney, friends say
A man who was friends with Asra, 24, said he was never invited inside the sisters’ home and said he did not know where she worked.
“She told me nothing about her life like that … I did not go to her home, I meet her out, you know, not in the house,” he told the Daily Telegraph.
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Just a couple of random thoughts / observations
The women were employed for five years in a refugee service that helped foreign nationals escape persecution and seek asylum.
If the sisters were actually working for 5 years for / with a refugee service that helps foreign nationals escape, is it possible the ABN was part of them being subcontracters or in the process of establishing their own agency?
The landlord didn't call the police. The Sheriff did.
A police spokesperson confirmed that police were called to the site by the sheriff who discovered the bodies earlier that morning whilst accompanying the landlord on a check of the property. The landlord contacted the sheriff’s office after not receiving rent for over a month.
If the mother visited them in their old apartment, could that have been the reason the girls moved .. because it was obvious to them that others in SA would know where they lived.
The women were employed for five years in a refugee service that helped foreign nationals escape persecution and seek asylum.
If the sisters were actually working for 5 years for / with a refugee service that helps foreign nationals escape, is it possible the ABN was part of them being subcontracters or in the process of establishing their own agency?
The landlord didn't call the police. The Sheriff did.
A police spokesperson confirmed that police were called to the site by the sheriff who discovered the bodies earlier that morning whilst accompanying the landlord on a check of the property. The landlord contacted the sheriff’s office after not receiving rent for over a month.
If the mother visited them in their old apartment, could that have been the reason the girls moved .. because it was obvious to them that others in SA would know where they lived.
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This is because the Alsehli sisters death might resemble the Farea sisters death, which was ruled to be suicide. After that phrase (about the Farea sisters), the paper posted the Lifeline number.
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They usually only put the Lifeline links here when it refers to the actual case that the story is about, not any other cases that might be mentioned.
Other sources reported that the girls had worked “with” a refugee agency, because they were seeking asylum. Not sure which is right and it makes a huge difference. Two completely different scenarios.
The landlord was with the Sheriff when they went to serve the eviction notice and discovered the young women. It makes sense that the sherif would the one to make the call.
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Just noting this unrelated but equally puzzling incident, fwiw.
July 28 2022 rbbm.
www.theguardian.com
''Rafiqul Islam, 51, a taxi driver from Cardiff, and his son, 16-year-old Mahiqul, along with three other members of their family, were discovered unconscious in a locked room by police officers on Tuesday.''
''The family, from the Riverside area of Cardiff, were on a two-month holiday visiting relatives in the country and renting a flat in the eastern city of Sylhet.
Supt Farid Uddin said: “Our primary suspicion is they were poisoned. When we reviewed the incident – all the members of the family had slept in the same room, the doors were locked and there was no sign of forced entry or trauma – with our prior experience, the case of poisoning made sense.”
July 28 2022 rbbm.
Shock in Cardiff after ‘poisoning’ of father and son in Bangladesh
Rafiqul Islam, 51, and Mahiqul, 16, found dead with three unconscious relatives while on two-month visit
''The family, from the Riverside area of Cardiff, were on a two-month holiday visiting relatives in the country and renting a flat in the eastern city of Sylhet.
Supt Farid Uddin said: “Our primary suspicion is they were poisoned. When we reviewed the incident – all the members of the family had slept in the same room, the doors were locked and there was no sign of forced entry or trauma – with our prior experience, the case of poisoning made sense.”
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Speculation here, but given that Vidler recently fled Hong Kong due to "cold winds" of suppression, I'm wondering if he may have been a source of funding or a middle man for a wealthy individual who may have been bank rolling the girls in a pursuit toward their fight for freedom. Vidler not only fled HK, he closed his entire practice.
Whatever happened with MV may have resulted in a break in communications/funding for the girls. This could explain their recent financial difficulties, and possible suicidal act. (FWIW, while no MOD has yet been determined, I lean much more toward homicide as opposed to suicide).
As for the girls possibly being paranoid, IMO they may have been experiencing "a very normal reaction to a set of very abnormal circumstances".
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The force were unable to explain why toxicology reports on the two women - which usually takes four to six weeks - were still incomplete.
They previously said the findings were being "fast-tracked" in a bid to crack the case which has puzzled the world.
And in another baffling development, Asra and Amaal's bodies have already been released back to their family and buried.
www.the-sun.com
www.dailymail.co.uk
They previously said the findings were being "fast-tracked" in a bid to crack the case which has puzzled the world.
And in another baffling development, Asra and Amaal's bodies have already been released back to their family and buried.
Saudi sisters ‘reported stranger outside flat’ weeks before bodies found
TWO Saudi Arabian sisters found decomposing in their flat reportedly raised concerns a stranger had been lurking outside their home just months before they were found dead. Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 2…
www.the-sun.com
Sydney double-death is a disturbing echo of tragic New York mystery
The haunting passport photograph mugshots of two sets of Saudi-born sisters on opposite sides of the world bind them together in death like their dreams of a better life which ended in tragedy.
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The force were unable to explain why toxicology reports on the two women - which usually takes four to six weeks - were still incomplete.
They previously said the findings were being "fast-tracked" in a bid to crack the case which has puzzled the world.
And in another baffling development, Asra and Amaal's bodies have already been released back to their family and buried.
Saudi sisters ‘reported stranger outside flat’ weeks before bodies found
TWO Saudi Arabian sisters found decomposing in their flat reportedly raised concerns a stranger had been lurking outside their home just months before they were found dead. Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 2…Sydney double-death is a disturbing echo of tragic New York mystery
The haunting passport photograph mugshots of two sets of Saudi-born sisters on opposite sides of the world bind them together in death like their dreams of a better life which ended in tragedy.
I am still thinking that there should be a digital “footprint” of the sisters. Everyone tends to leave more during COVID isolation, and the girls appeared to have little support. So, if suicide, they are in a group that is expected to leave messages, SMSs, or FB announcements. If they are afraid of something, there should be questions about installation of cameras, etc. Hopefully, the police will look through it.
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This case has become a question of who/which media outlet to believe.
The latest bombshell(s) from ABC, our national broadcaster Crucifixes uncovered in apartment where Saudi sisters found mysteriously dead
"Two young women do not commit suicide together unless they're doing it together. They don't get naked, they don't go to separate rooms, they don't die separately," he said.
The latest bombshell(s) from ABC, our national broadcaster Crucifixes uncovered in apartment where Saudi sisters found mysteriously dead
"Two young women do not commit suicide together unless they're doing it together. They don't get naked, they don't go to separate rooms, they don't die separately," he said.
According to this source they were found naked. That is unusual. When they say naked I imagine they don't mean in their underwear or pajamas.
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In addition to the crucifixes, being found naked in separate rooms, the article also gives more info about the plumber's comments (discussed earlier in the thread):
'Very, very scared': Sources describe interactions with Saudi sisters in months before 'unusual' deaths
The women are believed to have died about a month before their bodies were found in June in a Sydney apartment.
www.abc.net.au
Just find my eyebrows lifting after I read this was a quote from the building manager.
It's not clear to me what qualifications or experience he has to be so categorical about what these young women from Saudi Arabia would or would not do.
Kind of like the extremely unhelpful comment from the plumber: 'just a bad vibe'. Obviously, skill at detecting plumbing problems doesn't translate into skill at detecting/articulating human problems.
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There are contradictory reports about the bodies of these young women; some sources, like the ones you shared, say the bodies have been released to the family and have been buried. The other sources say the bodies may not have been released to the family, and I know sources from further upthread definitely indicated the family in Saudi Arabia had zero interest in collecting/disposing of the remains. Major police backflip in baffling case of Saudi sisters found deadThe force were unable to explain why toxicology reports on the two women - which usually takes four to six weeks - were still incomplete.
They previously said the findings were being "fast-tracked" in a bid to crack the case which has puzzled the world.
And in another baffling development, Asra and Amaal's bodies have already been released back to their family and buried.
Saudi sisters ‘reported stranger outside flat’ weeks before bodies found
TWO Saudi Arabian sisters found decomposing in their flat reportedly raised concerns a stranger had been lurking outside their home just months before they were found dead. Asra Abdullah Alsehli, 2…Sydney double-death is a disturbing echo of tragic New York mystery
The haunting passport photograph mugshots of two sets of Saudi-born sisters on opposite sides of the world bind them together in death like their dreams of a better life which ended in tragedy.
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