Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #10

[CleverKnot]

And why peeps seem to think Warriena should of been behaving "rationally" is beyond me? She was drunk FFS, and A**hat was encouraging her to drink more.

Then the next question is logically, "Is he responsible for her actions, if she is admittadly not acting rationally?"

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Did he not call after she fell?

Am I really not up to speed on the facts here?

Tostee called his solicitor. That's fact.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

I'm off to pick up a preschool-aged relative.

To kill some time on the return trip I'll ask them an hypothetical question:

'If you invite a new friend to your house for a playdate and they call you a name, throw your toys at you while they're in your room, then they want to take their toys and go home; what would you do?'

I know what their reply will be however, I'll make a point of posting it when I get back.

Lock them in the toybox and go get a juice box; plan to tell Mommy at a later date? :thinking:

 

[madoodi]

I only listened to the 6 minutes of the recording once and it chilled me to the core. I don't think most could hear that and not acknowledge the terror and fear in WW's voice. I think hearing that is exactly what is keeping the jury deliberating for so long. It's something you cannot ignore, dismiss or 'unhear'.
IMO.

 

[Bohemian]

My greatest fear is that GT will be free on The GC during 'Toolies'; sorry 'Schoolies'.

Gold Coast drugs: 'This will be the summer of multiple unknown overdoses'

 

[CleverKnot]

Exactly. If GT was able to restrain her enough to get her out on the balcony he was able to restrain her enough to chuck as he calls it her out of his entry door to the apartment. He could then have been locked safely behind his front door and called a friend to come by or daddy, and deal with things if she was still being a bad girl! He chose to place a very drunk girl out on a very unsafe balcony with no means of escape. Manslaughter!

That is a leap of logic. Because he can get her to a sliding door a few feet away, doesn't automatically mean he can get her to the other side of the apartment, and open a hinged door, likely inward, while keeping her fingers out of his eyes the entire time.

 

[fairydust]

Having been on several jury trials, i can assure you that gender has little to do with the end result. Jury work is usually taken very seriously and its about the law, not about anything else. No jurorist wants to admit they cant make a decision.

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It DOES come down to that often. that is why they usually have fairly even gender splits in a jury, especially this one. Exactly because of the issue that CleverKnot cleverly highlighted.

Every comment I make here is an opinion. Even if I state it as a fact, and it is a known fact, you can still regard it as an opinion. I'm good like that.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

Then the next question is logically, "Is he responsible for her actions, if she is admittadly not acting rationally?"

I think this is why the jury asked if they should take her alchohol intake into account. Also why I think the home distilled white spirit pretending to be vodka is an important issue that should have gotten more attention.

 

[CleverKnot]

I'm just describing what I think the dispatcher would say. What do you think s/he would say?



Reps brah.

I would expect the dispatcher would be extremely negligent if it was reported to her that a woman was locked on a balcony after an altercation, and she suggested to the possible perp that he go interact with her again... and then hang up without dispatching police.

 

[Trooper]

Gabe is responsible for his own actions.. . He is on trial, not Warriena.. .. this is what the jury will be deliberating. What actions did Gabe perform?. were they rational? were they criminal? were his actions conclusively responsible for the death of a woman falling from his balcony? did he exert rational behaviour , such as your normal bloke strolling down Ferny Ave would do? did he have awareness of the nature of the danger of that balcony? did he express knowledge of the consequences of any sort of exit via the balcony? did he perform any actions that would instill incomprehensible fear in a woman of the size , age, culture, outlook as Warriena?

and so on.. .

 

[Myserty64]

If this case is easy why hasn't the jury made a decision either way?

 

[Trooper]

I only listened to the 6 minutes of the recording once and it chilled me to the core. I don't think most could hear that and not acknowledge the terror and fear in WW's voice. I think hearing that is exactly what is keeping the jury deliberating for so long. It's something you cannot ignore, dismiss or 'unhear'.
IMO.

and the jury would be listening to that tape over and over again. Day after Day.. The entire prosecution case rests on it, and surprisingly, and , I think, mistakenly, the entire defence rests on it also.. I think Gabe's defence was done on the cheap, but hey, not my problem. There will be parts of that tape that, along with the transcript of it, will be burned into the juror's brains forever and ever..

 

[fairydust]

Yep, he's a predator, and a real cocky one too. The police know what they're dealing with, he's been given too many chances! JMO

Really? Please divulge the chances police have given him, as Ive followed this case closely and am not aware of any? Links perhaps to back up your 'opinion'?

 

[CleverKnot]

With all due respect, there was nothing peaceful about that restraint.

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Which was my point exactly, when the poster said he could have just as easily restrained her all the way to, and out the hallway door instead.

 

[Karinna]

If this case is easy why hasn't the jury made a decision either way?

Exactly. They should just go with Manslaughter if they can't decide IMO

Manslaughter

Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a person without intent to kill, usually as a result of a careless, reckless, or negligent act.

Manslaughter also includes the intentional killing of a person under extreme provocation or when a person’s state of mind impairs their capacity to understand or to control their actions—this is sometimes called diminished responsibility.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/types-of-crime/murder-attempted-murder-and-manslaughter/

 

[TheOtherChristina]

I would expect the dispatcher would be extremely negligent if it was reported to her that a woman was locked on a balcony after an altercation, and she suggested to the possible perp that he go interact with her again... and then hang up without dispatching police.

Why is your imaginary negligent dispatcher female? :thinking:

What would a logical (ie male) dispatcher say?

 

[Cleaver Greene]

And why peeps seem to think Warriena should of been behaving "rationally" is beyond me? She was drunk FFS, and A**hat was encouraging her to drink more.

I don't think anyone has suggested that she "should" have been behaving rationalLy. However, the judge has directed the jury that if her actions once in the balcony were not reasonable or rational in all the circumstances, then GT cannot be held responsible for her death.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Really? Please divulge the chances police have given him, as Ive followed this case closely and am not aware of any? Links perhaps to back up your 'opinion'?

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Exactly. This is always the reason why I though he said "Shut your #$%#@#$ mouth". He had a good reputation as a tenant, and he did not like having that upset, and any decent tenant wouldnt. It is good manners not to scream in a residential tenement, at any time.

Tostee spent 6 months in jail, need I say more. But if you do me the honours of providing the link for your post, I will do same.

 

[Trooper]

The jury wont be spending much time on what Warriena did to instigate her own death.. This is merely for the public to chew on for as long as they wish to, and was no part of the defence that Warriena was suicidal at any time during the evening's encounter with Gabe. At no stage has Tostee claimed that Warriena was suicidal or murderous, for that matter. His claim that she was ' psycho' doesn't have a lot of bearing as he isn't qualified to judge that, in any way, and had his defence relied upon Gabe's claim, then the Prosecution could have bought in a dozen people Gabe had called 'psycho' ( most likely mostly women, but not confined entirely to women ) . Just the mere hint that this expression was common usage in Gabe's conversation would end that unlikely medical diagnosis performed by Gabe under pressure.

Tostee's claim to his father that he was being ' beaten up'. .. apart from the jury being asked not to consider that, Gabe's own Dad didn't think Gabe was in any way injured even slightly. .. he offered to take Gabe to hospital, but only for shock. Dad didn't say, my god, Gabe you've got blood running down your face, etc.. Dad didn't notice a thing from his son about being 'beaten up'..

 

[Ausgirl]

Wow, poor Gabe, so terribly victimised from every corner of his life as a Gold Coast Playboy.

Fairly thronged with lying sloots talkin smack about his stalkery pervert ways.

Victimed by corrupt police who are probly only jelly of his ability to lift.

Free Eric Thomas! the shout goes up

(millions of aussie women, made wise of him via msm, emphatically decline the offer)