Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #2

[SouthAussie]

The 'partially autistic' description is interesting.... either the words of a lawyer with little understanding or ?? I mean, which part? His arm, leg, frontal lobe? On Mondays & Wednesdays only? Mildly autistic maybe, but 'partially'? Very wishy washy IMO.

Haha .. I thought the same thing, Camp Chair!

I have no experience with autism, but when I just read the symptoms, it seems that many people without the disorder can show some of those symptoms too.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Autistic-spectrum-disorder/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

But a diagnosis of obsessive-compulsive disorder .. that I can believe in Tostee. As an example ... who ever has used Tinder as much as him! And I always remember the comment that he posted on the BB site from some girl who asked him if he was a princess, he messed with his hair so much.

 

[Amee]

The following admission procedures should occur within 24 hours of a prisoner’s arrival at the prison:

• An interview is conducted by a qualified and specialist staff member to determine the prisoner’s immediate risks or needs including escape risk, dysfunctional behaviour, risk of self-harm or suicide, immediate individual needs and acute medical needs. The interviewing officer is responsible for following up on these needs, for example by referring the prisoner to specialist staff such as psychologists or counsellors.

A prisoner’s security classification determines the type of facility (secure or open custody) in which they are placed.

Most remand prisoners (ie prisoners who have been charged with offences but have not yet been convicted or sentenced) are classified “high security” and live in secure custody facilities. Some may be classified as ‘low’ and be accommodated in open custody facilities. Some remand prisoners may be classified as “maximum security” and live in maximum security facilities if deemed appropriate.

A prisoner who fears they may be at risk of harm from other prisoners can apply to be placed “on protection”. Protection prisoners are accommodated separately from “mainstream” prisoners. This may involve moving the prisoner to a different prison.

going to prison (fact sheet 6) - Prisoners' legal service, Inc.
www.plsqld.com

There was a lot of info on AG posted in Allison forum. I cant find it now sorry

 

[Lu-Lu]

Back in 2004, his lawyer gave an insight into Tostee’s character, telling a court that he was “partially autistic” and suffered from a severe obsessive-compulsive disorder.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...styled-superhero/story-fni0cx12-1227025849065

Partially Autistic... Which volume of the DSM has partially Autistic as a possible diagnosis?

 

[MsAnais]

Justice Mullins said Mr Tostee's previous diagnosis of being on the autism spectrum was referenced in the Crown's material, but was not addressed in defence documents.

"It just struck me that it may not be an irrelevant matter," Justice Mullins told Tostee's lawyer.

Defence barrister Anthony Kimmins replied that he wasn't sure when Tostee last visited a specialist, and sought more time to find out.

Justice Mullins also asked Mr Kimmins to develop his defence argument.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-adjourned-20140908-10dqg1.html#ixzz3CgrlWmM3


Does Kimmins seems woefully under-prepared? Or is it some kind of stalling tactic on his behalf? But then why draw the whole thing out....it just means that his client is still behind bars.........?

 

[MsAnais]

Partially Autistic... Which volume of the DSM has partially Autistic as a possible diagnosis?

Yes, exactly Lu-Lu! None!!

There is simply no such thing as being 'partially Austistic'. People are either diagnosed as autistic, or on the autism spectrum, or they're not.

 

[SouthAussie]

Justice Mullins said Mr Tostee's previous diagnosis of being on the autism spectrum was referenced in the Crown's material, but was not addressed in defence documents.

"It just struck me that it may not be an irrelevant matter," Justice Mullins told Tostee's lawyer.

Defence barrister Anthony Kimmins replied that he wasn't sure when Tostee last visited a specialist, and sought more time to find out.

Justice Mullins also asked Mr Kimmins to develop his defence argument.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-adjourned-20140908-10dqg1.html#ixzz3CgrlWmM3


Does Kimmins seems woefully under-prepared? Or is it some kind of stalling tactic on his behalf? But then why draw the whole thing out....it just means that his client is still behind bars.........?

Strange, isn't it? It would seem very odd for Kimmins to be under-prepared for the bail hearing. He is apparently from a top law firm, and representing a client involved in a very high profile case. All eyes are on him.

Must be a tactic of some kind .. or he is very aware there is no proof of a diagnosis of autism, and knows it is just speculation on Tostee's parents/a doctors/someones part.

 

[Whatson]

Does Kimmins seems woefully under-prepared? Or is it some kind of stalling tactic on his behalf? But then why draw the whole thing out....it just means that his client is still behind bars.........?

Still getting over the weekend I would say

 

[MsAnais]

It would seem very odd for Kimmins to be under-prepared for the bail hearing. He is apparently from a top law firm, and representing a client involved in a very high profile case.

Must be a tactic of some kind .. or he is very aware there is no proof of a diagnosis of autism, and knows it is just speculation on Tostee's parents/a doctors/someones part.

That's what I thought. He wouldn't turn up this under-prepared.

Yep, I think he's aware it is a tenuous 'diagnosis'. I just hope they don't find some psychiatrist who can be bought who will provide the diagnosis (not that I'm skeptical or anything!!:floorlaugh .

They should require a diagnosis from an independent psychiatrist who is not being paid by the Tostee family or the defence. Better yet, two independent psychiatrists! (can you tell I don't believe he has autism??!! If he is indeed on the spectrum, he is extremely high functioning!!)

 

[elwyn5150]

:rolling:

I agree with SA.

It's a ruse.

They've had a month to prepare for this day and it's delicious billable hours. If they aren't going to show it, they got nothin'.

 

[SouthAussie]

Even though Kimmins did not raise the 'partial autism' as a reason for bail with the judge .. it is good that she is delaying and giving him time to come up with the goods (if he can ) .. knowing full-well probably that the prosecution will want to be in on this all the way.

We don't need anything getting in the way later on in the trial .. no grounds for re-trial or dismissal .. nothing stopping justice for Warriena.

 

[MsAnais]

I actually just watched a fascinating documentary on the ABC which includes a man called Richard who has Aspergers and is high functioning. It's worth a watch as Tostee doesn't sound at all like that. Tostee's level of social functioning was nowhere near as impaired as this lovely guy's (he is the first person on the doco once it starts at about 1:37 mins so you don't need to watch the whole thing if you're not interested! )

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/undateables/ZX8736A001S00

Also, if Tostee has OCD (which I can fully believe), that would account for rigid thought patterns and behaviours (which could be interpreted as an aspect of being on the spectrum IF you didn't know he was OCD).

 

[MsAnais]

Even though Kimmins did not raise the 'partial autism' as a reason for bail with the judge .. it is good that she is delaying and giving him time to come up with the goods (if he can ) .. knowing full-well probably that the prosecution will want to be in on this all the way.

We don't need anything getting in the way later on in the trial .. no grounds for re-trial or dismissal .. nothing stopping justice for Warriena.

Good point!

 

[possumheart]

Isis, what is your take on GT making audio recordings of his conquests? I have never heard of such a thing before? Is it a narcissism thing?
I also note that 2004, the year he was prosecuted for counterfeit, was the same year he joined the body building forum, and the last time autism was mentioned with reference to him. Sounds like this helpful diagnosis (from a legal perspective) became an anathema to him, and the forum was a place where he went to apprentice himself to 'alpha' males and become reborn.

 

[kiwi50]

We still haven't heard what he is OCD about, maybe it's dating females.

 

[Amee]

Balcony fall death of NZ tourist Warriena Wright — as Gable Tostee fights murder charge — highlights the dangers of our social media obsession

The strange circumstances of what led to the final moments of Kiwi tourist Warriena Wright has already begun to be revealed.

It was allegedly recorded minute-by-minute on an iPhone, while yet more detail is set to be revealed in court.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...-media-obsession/story-fnj90t7b-1227051285017

 

[possumheart]

We still haven't heard what he is OCD about, maybe it's dating females.

I recall reading on the BB forum that he had to shower after a bowel movement, that wiping wasn't enough for him. Such a lonely boy to need to share that personal info with a bunch of muscle bound strangers.

 

[Whatson]

I recall reading on the BB forum that he had to shower after a bowel movement, that wiping wasn't enough for him. Such a lonely boy to need to share that personal info.

Lol I bet he's not so keen on showers where he's living now, it will be a case of getting a bowel movement with every shower! :drumroll:

 

[possumheart]

Lol I bet he's not so keen on showers where he's living now, it will be a case of getting a bowel movement with every shower! :drumroll:

And no doubt he will keep a 'log' book of each experience. Name, rating of 1 to 10 ...

 

[possumheart]

Lol I bet he's not so keen on showers where he's living now, it will be a case of getting a bowel movement with every shower! :drumroll:

Actually, he will be just fine.

 

[MsAnais]

Isis, what is your take on GT making audio recordings of his conquests? I have never heard of such a thing before? Is it a narcissism thing?
I also note that 2004, the year he was prosecuted for counterfeit, was the same year he joined the body building forum, and the last time autism was mentioned with reference to him. Sounds like this helpful diagnosis (from a legal perspective) became an anathema to him, and the forum was a place where he went to apprentice himself to 'alpha' males and become reborn.

I mean, obviously I don't know him at all and haven't had the opportunity to assess him as a psych so this is just a series of my thoughts. I just want to make that clear.

The first thing that springs to mind for me is that sexual sadists often record their torture of the victim to replay over and over later as a masturbatory aid. (horrid but true). And in line with that, the audio recordings could easily be construed as a form of 'trophy' for him to gloat/delight/get off on later. (as well as to post online to share with his pals in order to prove his prowess.)

If he is is sexually sadistic, it is the fear/begging/power aspect he'll be getting off on in the recordings (and in real life) - her pleading with him for her life, begging him to let her go home - those are the things that will be sexually exciting.

But I don't know if that's his schtick or not........it springs to mind as taping the assault/murder is such a common feature in sexually sadistic serial killer cases that I've read about. They SO often have recordings.

From what we do know about Tostee from his own online posts, I personally think he is someone who deeply hates women and is enraged with them. The flipside of that is that he feels powerless to women (and that's probably the root of his hatred)- thus his over-the-top conquest rate and belittling of them on social media. But at root he feels powerless - so it wouldn't surprise me if he got off on sex games that made him feel powerful.

I'd love to know his sexual history with the other women who have come forward to LE. Was he rough? Did he hurt them? Did he coerce or rape them? I would be surprised if he didn't have a negative past history......

I don't believe this is the first time it's all turned sour with a woman for him. And I hope the truth all comes out in court.