Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[Jimmy Russel]

Of course they have. <modsnip>

So can you explain why you believe dozens of investigators are wrong?

 

[tarjessi]

According to his open letter he didn't know for sure whether she had fallen all the way or climbed to another balcony. By the time he went downstairs, he discovered emergency had already been called.

In his situation you would have to be crazy to surrender yourself to police without legal representation after someone you had just met had died after you had an argument with them. He would have been taken into custody, held for hours until his lawyer woke up and likely pressured into talking. He was also probably quite intoxicated and not in the best frame of mind.

Who thinks like that when someone has accidentally died? Who has that clarity of thought? I thought you said Tostee would be in shock therefore no reaction after her death. Pretty cold and clear, the thought to ring a lawyer (on recording and backed up by phone records) and call Daddy, eat pizza and remove himself from the scene. He only surrendered the next day...well after Rrie had gone over the balcony.

 

[tarjessi]

So can you explain why you believe dozens of investigators are wrong?

Dozens of investigators are not wrong. They have arrested the right man. Only a matter of time now for Tostee.

 

[SouthAussie]

According to his open letter he didn't know for sure whether she had fallen all the way or climbed to another balcony. By the time he went downstairs, he discovered emergency had already been called.

In his situation you would have to be crazy to surrender yourself to police without legal representation after someone you had just met had died after you had an argument with them. He would have been taken into custody, held for hours until his lawyer woke up and likely pressured into talking. He was also probably quite intoxicated and not in the best frame of mind.

Sorry, but I find that kind a rationale absurd. It is evident that some people think it was fine for Tostee to protect himself from any inquiry until he was good and ready, the majority of Australians are disgusted.

 

[SouthAussie]

... and the woman screaming &#8220;No, no, no&#8221; several times .... (over 20 times actually)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...026801082?nk=40bb38b36d7c680c102a4e2d86d9ea2c

 

[Jimmy Russel]

Who thinks like that when someone has accidentally died? Who has that clarity of thought? I thought you said Tostee would be in shock therefore no reaction after her death. Pretty cold and clear, the thought to ring a lawyer (on recording and backed up by phone records) and call Daddy, eat pizza and remove himself from the scene. He only surrendered the next day...well after Rrie had gone over the balcony.

Shock does not mean doing nothing and becoming paralysed.

Anyone who has been in trouble with police or dealt with lawyers would be well aware that they would not help anyone in that situation. How he reacted given his previous experiences does not make him guilty.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

Dozens of investigators are not wrong. They have arrested the right man. Only a matter of time now for Tostee.

Not because they thought he dropped a person over a balcony. They concluded she climbed over herself while Tostee "probably wasn't on the balcony". Why do some here seem to believe she was dropped off?

 

[Jimmy Russel]

Sorry, but I find that kind a rationale absurd. It is evident that some people think it was fine for Tostee to protect himself from any inquiry until he was good and ready, the majority of Australians are disgusted.

It was his legal right.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

... and the woman screaming &#8220;No, no, no&#8221; several times .... (over 20 times actually)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...026801082?nk=40bb38b36d7c680c102a4e2d86d9ea2c

:cry:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

<modsnip>

It won't change the outcome, Tostee will get his just desserts and his apologists may learn a thing or two.

 

[SouthAussie]

<modsnip>

It won't change the outcome, Tostee will get his just desserts and his apologists may learn a thing or two.

Thanks Prime ... it insults every moral and ethical fibre of my being.

 

[marlywings]

You can clearly hear an altercation, whatever you want to call it, my point remains the same.

As far as the sounds in the audio go, only Tostee knows for sure what happened. We can only speculate as to whether Warriena was actually choked or not. So far police and prosecutors have not provided any evidence other than speculation. Arguably you can hear worse sounds at a gym. It is interesting to note that Warriena can never at any time be heard saying "ow", asking to stop being hit, flinching, or giving any indication that she has sustained any injury. Tostee on the other hand did numerously, and there is physical evidence of it.

Re the line I've bolded...

As with majority of murder cases, the full brief of evidence isn't handed to lawyers until a date is set by a judge.

The committal hearing will be very interesting when further evidence is usually released to general public.

 

[tarjessi]

Not because they thought he dropped a person over a balcony. They concluded she climbed over herself while Tostee "probably wasn't on the balcony". Why do some here seem to believe she was dropped off?

BBM - they said probably wasn't because they had not had a chance to do a full and complete analysis of the recording. They will have plenty of time before they go to trial to firm up all of the evidence. We would not all have the opinion we do if we had not heard the tape. It seems Tostee thought that was wise to release for some ridiculous reason.

 

[tarjessi]

Shock does not mean doing nothing and becoming paralysed.

Anyone who has been in trouble with police or dealt with lawyers would be well aware that they would not help anyone in that situation. How he reacted given his previous experiences does not make him guilty.

Yes that is right Tostee was a known trouble maker, so he would know to hide the evidence and attempt to cover his bottom so to speak, call a lawyer as soon as he knew he was in trouble - I mean within 38 seconds - that is some quick thinking. The first thing he must have thought - oh ****, I chucked a girl off my balcony, I am in trouble...

Such a shame his methods keep backfiring over and over. He just doesn't get it, just doesn't get it at all.

 

[enzeder]

I would have thought someone would care less about jeopardising their defence and be more concerned with reaching out to the family. If Tostee was so concerned about his defence, why write a statement on a public bodybuilding forum that could be used as further evidence against him? Not having deep feelings for someone does not negate his behaviour that night.

Anyone with a semblance of decency would have called an ambulance if she had fallen off, showed some emotion, most likely screamed themselves as she fell and gone straight outside to wait for help to arrive. How did he know she would definitely not have survived?

Who calls their lawyer 38 seconds after someone falls and shows no sign of emotion on a recording they made themselves for the entire couple of hours post fall?

Who a mere minute after someone falls off their balcony goes and (quite clearly on recording) starts moving stuff around (sort of sounds like hiding evidence), opens a bottle and shakes out what sounds like pills and proceeds to take off?

Who hides behind a pillar and watches the terrible scene? A sociopath does because they like to continue to revel in their crimes and don't want to get caught.

Tostee posted himself that he turned around and saw her (somehow hover magically) before she went over. Pretty incredible timing right there...but that aside...surely if you saw someone fall, regardless of whether you liked her all that much, if you had nothing to do with it...you would react. There was NO REACTION other than heavy breathing (as if he had exerted himself excessively during the screams and also as the screaming dramatically dropped off - as if he had held a weight for some time - such as a body over a balcony ledge) and a call to a lawyer. It makes no sense, just no sense at all.

:goodpost:

BBM in Red - ITA!

 

[Jimmy Russel]

Re the line I've bolded...

As with majority of murder cases, the full brief of evidence isn't handed to lawyers until a date is set by a judge.

The committal hearing will be very interesting when further evidence is usually released to general public.

I agree. Especially when the full toxicology reports of both parties and statements from women who have met Tostee become available.

 

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by tarjessi:
Who a mere minute after someone falls off their balcony goes and (quite clearly on recording) starts moving stuff around... (snipped by me)

Reply -

I think it is exactly how someone who is scared and in shock would act.
(snip)

I don't agree Jimmy Russel that there would be no physical or audible reaction from a person witnessing, suspecting or knowing that a person had fallen 14 floors onto a hard surface below - when it was their balcony they had fallen off. I do not think it is exactly how someone who is scared and in shock would act.

Tostee did though instead 'respond' to what had happened - and there is a difference between reacting (spontaneously) and responding (with intention).

What Tostee didn't do was react by investigating immediately (spontaneously) what happened to Rrie who had been in his apartment - she had disappeared over the balcony. He did not ring emergency 000 for assistance - he did not alert anyone or ask for help for Rrie from anyone in the immediate vicinity (neighbours/passers-by) - he did not draw attention to his plight of trying to get Rrie help. He did not make it known to anyone how Rrie ended up on the pavement in the condition she was in.

What he did do was respond intentionally to make sure he was situated at a distance from the event - he tried to get help for himself and tried to secure that with legal assistance by ringing his Lawyer / attending to his personal needs in his flat / leaving the flat-residence / viewing the scene of the fall landing / leaving the property / went to buy Pizza...

No, I cannot give GT the benefit of the doubt that he was shocked because of what happened to Rrie - and yes, he does sound scared (but only for himself). His responses and decisions were calculated and benefited him firstly and foremost and then continued to do so for hours after the event - including to remain silent to the investigation by Police.

..and he has continued to adamantly defend himself by (foolishly) posting on a public forum board, to protest his innocence and deflect any responsibility.

(JMHO)

 

[Ausgirl]

I agree. Especially when the full toxicology reports of both parties and statements from women who have met Tostee become available.

Tostee's toxicology tests conveniently happened MANY hours after he fled the scene, so I don't know what 'truth' you'd expect to see in those.

From what I have seen in the papers, some women have been lucky enough not to see his nasty side. Others, not so lucky. I hope the girl he lifted up on his balcony and terrified so much she fled the apartment testifies, I really do. I am sure the post he made on the BBF boasting in glee over her terror is also used as evidence to back up her testimony.

Then we have the club owners (more than one) and staff (more than one) who have said he was well-known as a predatory "creeper" and hence him being banned from clubs. Oh, and that one staff member who complained he followed her out to her car, clearly unnerving her.

Looking forward to more truth coming out, for sure.

 

[Amee]

I agree. Especially when the full toxicology reports of both parties and statements from women who have met Tostee become available.

Id say there will be a LOT more than tox reports and statements. The things that investigators find amazes me.

Police are not expected to finalise their brief of evidence against Mr Tostee until April next year, and he may not go to trial until 2016.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ged-murder-Warriena-Wright.html#ixzz3MfTNVR2J

 

[Amee]

Judge Mullins said Tostee &#8220;seems to have quarantined himself&#8221; from his involvement with Ms Wright in the five and a half hours before her death.

She said his defence of the charges did not explain his apparent lack of expressing regret and noted that he did not phone emergency services after she fell.

Instead he phoned his lawyer, then his father.

&#8220;Applicant is upset about what people are saying about him on social media,&#8221; she said, adding that Tostee was incredibly focused on himself.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...trict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700