Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[Amee]

Perhaps you could also highlight why the transcript, which of course we all know has "selective" quotes, was leaked from the police brief? Someone should be getting their backside kicked over that, to the point of losing their job. Terry OGorman was scathing of that, and rightly so. These little slips will could play a part in considering whether he should be discharged due to an unfair trial, tainted by public prejudice and breaches of the rules of evidence.

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The audio recording is yet to be formally tendered to the courts as evidence in the murder case.
Superintendent David Hutchinson said police were aware that the audio file had been published.
"We are making inquiries to confirm who the author is," he told Fairfax Media.

Mr Tostee's lawyer Terry O'Gorman declined to comment.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostees-apartment-balcony-20141211-125c98.html

 

[Think_Harder_Please]

Warriena was carried/hustled out to the balcony by Tostee. He lifts her over the rail, and sits her on the ledge -at the corner- which is where the witness below was trying to look up and saw her feet/legs.

The witness directly below said she could not see Warriena's upper body right away, but did glimpse it as Warriena leaned forward a bit (iirc). So this might be explained by Warriena's back being to the glass or the corner bit of the glass, her backside on the narrow ledge.

The witnesses say they heard three screams.. one witness says she saw Warriena's body "twist" right before she fell.

Looking at the pics of the corner, particularly the one with the cop looking up? Seems to me that if Warriena was in a -seated- position on the corner of the ledge, the witness 1 below would *only* see the bottom of her feet, unless Warriena leaned forward.

Which she might do, after sitting there, screaming her head off, then collecting her wits, to try to turn around... BUT she slips. Scream 1.

Tries desperately to hold on, turn around, Scream 2, plus the witness TWO flats down seeing her legs/foot soles appear suddenly, then her legs "twisting" as she tries to turn and get her grip.

But she fails - Scream 3... and falls.

There were about 32 screams. Your theory doesnt hold up IMO, because then it would mean that the witnesses from below would have heard GT clearly say 'I would but you have been a bad girl.' and WR say ' Just let me go home.' as he would have been right on the edge of the balcony, so his words would be clear. There are no reports of the lower apartment witnesses hearing this I believe. So i believe it all happened inside. Thats how It ties in with the transcript.

The comment GT makes to WR to "shut her filthy mouth" was because he was embarrassed about the noise she was creating inside , so he would hardly drag her outside and over the balcony ledge to make a further ruckus as you claim.

The premise that he would do something like put someone's life at risk by seating them on a 14th story balcony ledge and letting them stay there whilst he went inside is an extremely long bow to draw, and IMO, implausible.

I didnt know until recently that these 2 other witnesses held supposed crucial testimony. Does anyone know what the relationship of the two female witnesses is? Ellis lives directly below, where was the other one durig the incident?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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If you have a child/children, it would mean something to you. Rrie made a mark in this world with her good deeds, what has GT achieved? His sole purpose was to exploit and ridicule women and document it on forums, what kind of achievement is that? No one forced him, he's had bad intentions since he was a teen and it's been downhill ever since. There will be no glowing report on his character in this trial, he was given a chance many years ago but he was set on bringing destruction to women for his own perverse enjoyment. JMO

 

[Snoods]

If you have a child/children, it would mean something to you. Rrie made a mark in this world with her good deeds, what has GT achieved? His sole purpose was to exploit and ridicule women and document it on forums, what kind of achievement is that? No one forced him, he's had bad intentions since he was a teen and it's been downhill ever since. There will be no glowing report on his character in this trial, he was given a chance many years ago but he was set on bringing destruction to women for his own perverse enjoyment. JMO

That's a great point Prime! I'm not aware of a single person that has spoken out on behalf of GT, not someone that actually knew him. Maybe his spy cameras salesman will have a few nice words to say about him, after all GT put his kids through college.

 

[enzeder]

There were about 32 screams. Your theory doesnt hold up IMO, because then it would mean that the witnesses from below would have heard GT clearly say 'I would but you have been a bad girl.' and WR say ' Just let me go home.' as he would have been right on the edge of the balcony, so his words would be clear. There are no reports of the lower apartment witnesses hearing this I believe. So i believe it all happened inside. Thats how It ties in with the transcript.

The comment GT makes to WR to "shut her filthy mouth" was because he was embarrassed about the noise she was creating inside , so he would hardly drag her outside and over the balcony ledge to make a further ruckus as you claim.

The premise that he would do something like put someone's life at risk by seating them on a 14th story balcony ledge and letting them stay there whilst he went inside is an extremely long bow to draw, and IMO, implausible.

I didnt know until recently that these 2 other witnesses held supposed crucial testimony. Does anyone know what the relationship of the two female witnesses is? Ellis lives directly below, where was the other one durig the incident?

BBM - "all happened inside"?? - I think not. Doesn't tie in with the transcript.

2.20.30am: Male: &#8220;Who the (expletive) do you think you are? Hey?&#8221; Female: &#8220;No, no, no.&#8221;

Male: &#8220;You tried to kill me huh?&#8221; Male: &#8220;Well, why did you try and hit me with that. Huh? Shut your filthy mouth.&#8221;
Female: &#8220;No, no, no, no, no. (screaming).&#8221;

Male: &#8220;It is all on recording you know. It is all being recorded. Female: &#8220;Just let me go home.&#8221; Male: &#8220;I would but you have been a bad girl.&#8221; Sound of door sliding shut.

2.21am: &#8220;Just let me go home. Just let me go home.&#8221; Last words of &#8220;just let me go home&#8221;. Male heavy breathing. Faint scream detected.

2.21.30am: Very heavy breathing from male.

2.21.50am: Male makes call to lawyer Mick Purcell. Call made from handset. &#8220;(Expletive).&#8221; Call not connected.

http://www.news.com.au/national/war...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[Think_Harder_Please]

No, that's not it, he knows he's responsible, that explains his behaviour.JMO

It is yet to be proven GT is responsible for anything/ His level of culpability as to why she ended up on the balcony will only be determined at trial,a nd I see quite a few scenarios as to why she ended up there.

Considering what the transcript shows WR did to GT preceding the fall it is understandable that he is not feeling entirely affectionate toward her.

 

[emirates1957]

After reading portions of the BBF, you really do get a better understanding of narcism and psychopathy at work. I had no idea that there were so many knuckleheads out there. Cartoon characters come to mind like popeye !!! I can understand Tostee having over 150 women, who in their right mind would want to stay longer than a few hours. Wonder if he has ever had a meaningful long term relationship?

I have only been on WS for 2 years and thoroughly enjoy reading each and every posts on this forum and others - truly amazing people. On that note have a SAFE and wonderful Christmas.

 

[Think_Harder_Please]

There was NO REACTION other than heavy breathing (as if he had exerted himself excessively during the screams and also as the screaming dramatically dropped off - as if he had held a weight for some time - such as a body over a balcony ledge) and a call to a lawyer. It makes no sense, just no sense at all.

The heavy breathing starts AFTER WR falls. He's seen her fall and has a panic attack as he knows her chances are zero. thats how I read it. Quite likely so will some jury members.

 

[sosocurious]

There were about 32 screams. Your theory doesnt hold up IMO, because then it would mean that the witnesses from below would have heard GT clearly say 'I would but you have been a bad girl.' and WR say ' Just let me go home.' as he would have been right on the edge of the balcony, so his words would be clear. There are no reports of the lower apartment witnesses hearing this I believe. So i believe it all happened inside. Thats how It ties in with the transcript.

The comment GT makes to WR to "shut her filthy mouth" was because he was embarrassed about the noise she was creating inside , so he would hardly drag her outside and over the balcony ledge to make a further ruckus as you claim.

The premise that he would do something like put someone's life at risk by seating them on a 14th story balcony ledge and letting them stay there whilst he went inside is an extremely long bow to draw, and IMO, implausible.

I didnt know until recently that these 2 other witnesses held supposed crucial testimony. Does anyone know what the relationship of the two female witnesses is? Ellis lives directly below, where was the other one durig the incident?

In her re-enactment Ms Ellis Told police she and two men she was with went out onto her balcony on the night of Ms Wright's death because of what they could here above them ..........
She added that they could hear Ms Wright trying to get away and there was a lot of movement and the she could see the bottom of Ms Wrights feet appear above them.
IMO they may have heard more than has been reported by MSN.


http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/wit...kiwi-woman-s-gold-coast-balcony-death-6184207

Ms Ellis lives two floors below Tostee, Gabriele - Collyer Wiedner lives directly below Tostee. MSN has made no mention of relationship between the two female witnesses or the two males that went out onto Ms Ellis balcony.
IMO neighbours would be one description.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

 

[Fuskier]

Happy Christmas to WS's following this case. Look forward to following this case with you in 2015.

 

[Amee]

http://www.numisc.com/forum/showthr...-oldmisc-addressing-that-night-on-the-balcony!! :notgood:

 

[Snoods]

The heavy breathing starts AFTER WR falls. He's seen her fall and has a panic attack as he knows her chances are zero. thats how I read it. Quite likely so will some jury members.

Sounds reasonable. Panic attack. Dismantle something in my condo while date dies. Call lawyer. Order supreme pizza.

 

[Amee]

Happy Christmas to WS's following this case. Look forward to following this case with you in 2015.

Merry Christmas Fuskier and to all WS's

Looking forward to your valuable input here in 2015 x

:sleigh: :christmastree:

 

[they'll get you]

Will the new bail laws coming in January affect Tostee's NSW car chase case.
This could be very interesting due to the big crackdown.

12th January 2015 is getting really close now. OMG he must be getting very worried by now.


http://www.ruleoflaw.org.au/wp-cont...aw_Institute_-Worksheet_Bail_Act_NSW_2013.pdf

 

[they'll get you]

soon you'll be able to merge your two favorite avatars and have one of tostee in handcuffs! No need to choose between the two!

actually.......

 

[sosocurious]

The heavy breathing starts AFTER WR falls. He's seen her fall and has a panic attack as he knows her chances are zero. thats how I read it. Quite likely so will some jury members.

There is nothing in MSN that says Tostee saw her fall. Is there?

He did say to his father I think she jumped.

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[Snoods]

There is nothing in MSN that says Tostee saw her fall. Is there?

He did say to his father I think she jumped.

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

Hmmmm good catch!

 

[Snoods]

Merry Christmas Fuskier and to all WS's

Looking forward to your valuable input here in 2015 x

:sleigh: :christmastree:

Merry Christmas everyone! :christmastree::sleigh::Banane49:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It is yet to be proven GT is responsible for anything/ His level of culpability as to why she ended up on the balcony will only be determined at trial,a nd I see quite a few scenarios as to why she ended up there.

Considering what the transcript shows WR did to GT preceding the fall it is understandable that he is not feeling entirely affectionate toward her.

GT says he 'chucked' her out there, he isn't specific where on the balcony.

Could you please post your 'scenarios', I never realized there could be so many. :thinking:

The heavy breathing starts AFTER WR falls. He's seen her fall and has a panic attack as he knows her chances are zero. thats how I read it. Quite likely so will some jury members.

If GT sees her fall, where was she, sitting on the handrails?
So in your scenario, GT throws Rrie out on the balcony and watches her fall (has a micro second panic attack) and then immediately calls his lawyer? :facepalm: What person does that, it's almost like he planned this out in his head. :/



The transcript of alleged recordings - THE PHONE CALL

3.23am: Makes phone call. “Hello dad. I might have a bit of a situation. See um I met up with a girl for a date tonight and she started getting really aggressive. It was all right at first and like we, you know, had sex in bed and she kept drinking. We were both drinking and I think that she thought that it was like a joke or something and she kept like beating me up and whatever. It was cos she was really drunk and whatever and I like forced her out on the balcony and I think that she might have jumped off.”


Male: “I didn’t cause this, like I didn’t push her. There are a million cops in the area.”

Dad: “I’ll come and get you OK?”

Male: “It is really (expletive) up. I am like at Dominos. Dad, like this is not my fault.”

3.25am: Call continues ... “I don’t know, like I tackled her on my floor inside the building and I never forced her over the balcony.”

Dad: I am sure you wouldn’t, mate.”

Male: I don’t know what the (expletive) happened, it is crazy. I swear to god I didn’t push her, I just chucked her out on the balcony and locked the door because she was beating me up.”

Dad: “I’ll come over now OK?”

3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”

Dad: “Is it her phone?”

Male: “It is her phone, yeah ... Dad like what happened was we were drinking and we got into bed together then and after that she just kept drinking and she just kept like I don’t know she was just like beating me up. She thought it was funny or something and I was just like tackled her in the middle of my apartment and I said that it wasn’t funny anymore and blah blah blah.

“Then when I let her go the last thing I remember was she was on the balcony and I don’t know if she jumped or what, I don’t know. It wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t my god damn fault.”

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...leged-recordings/story-fnje8bkv-1227053364751




GT telling his story, and what a story. He emphasizes he tackled Rrie in the 'middle' of the apartment, this is highly suspect imo and it's said intentionally for the alleged recording. GT trying to paint a picture which his alleged recording disputes. Even within his own version he changes it, firstly he 'chucked' Rrie out on the balcony by the end of his version, he says the last thing he remembers she was out on the balcony. He was already rethinking his own story because he is incapable of telling the truth.

The 'blah, blah, blah' and the 'whatever' is the most important parts because he's omitted Rrie wanting to leave, him telling her he will withhold all her belongings, him choking Rrie and taunting her. He had earlier threatened to throw her off the balcony, and lo and behold, Rrie lies dead at the bottom of his building.

JMO

 

[Amee]

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Police claim toxicology results will show Ms Wright was drunk at the time having drunk home-distilled vodka, however there was no clear evidence that Mr Tostee was impaired.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...th-gable-tostees-lawyers-20141203-11zeeg.html

Time will tell. It will all come out. :moo: