Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[Amee]

Absolutely correct, Slinki. But this is NOT a trial. It is a discussion forum.

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Ive not seen anything like this on WS !! :scared:


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[enzeder]

Don't know about anyone else, but me myself and I can't stop talking about me.

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[Gecko100]

Is anyone here familiar with Statement Analysis? https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#
Police and other professionals have many tools in their hands which can be used when assessments are required.
The general public is not often privy to how assessments are completed or how they are arrived at until it is made public. imo
But we all know that they sit on building blocks of tireless investigative techniques borrowed from a plethora of sciences from psychology to physics, and it will paint a clear picture for us to understand.
To arrive at theoretical conclusions, Mr T. may or may not be aware of any tool set they are using to continually monitor his behaviour.
Recklessly ignoring limits (again) and a failure to self monitor/set boundaries can only keep pointing in the same repetitive direction. imo
He can expect every level of intrusion into his life if he likes it or not.

He has similarly intruded into the lives of young women (drunken stalking, groping, recording, intoxicating), and into the lives of the general public by endangering (drunk driving, speeding, defrauding, assault, theft and possibly manslaughter etc.)

Too bad so sad.

 

[sosocurious]

He was never at the scene, which was near the entry of the building, nor could he have possibly been able to know what had happened until he left his apartment. All he saw was WW climb over his balcony and that was the last he saw of her. He never went on the balcony again.

He saw flashing lights as soon as he entered the lobby, so calling 000 would have been pointless. What reason would he have had at any point during the course of events to call 000?

The "not cooperate with police" is contradictory, he handed himself in for examination. How is that not cooperating? Other reports say he DID cooperate.

Drunkenness or mistake could explain why he had her phone. What reason would he have to keep it?

Everything else, he was well within his legal rights. Police were not searching for him. There was no warrant.

Yes he was at the scene - his 14th floor apartment. (It was declared a crime scene)

The transcript of the recording does not indicate that he saw R'rie on the other side of the balcony, he did not say that to his father.

The transcript does however, indicate the sound of sirens were heard on the recording devise so it could be assumed Tostee heard them as well - just about the time he was heading for the lift.
It could be assumed he also heard the R'rie' fading screams that were heard on the recording.imo

It just seems imo that most people (especially if they felt they were innocent of wrong doing) would have rung 000 and not their lawyer.

As far as handing himself in to police. IMO he did not have a lot of choice they knew it was his apartment and it seems they knew he was at home when R'rie plunged from his balcony.

I only have questions about the phone, no explaination - Why was it in the pocket of clothes he put on after R'rie fell and why did he call it numerous times?

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gold-c...ht-in-for-forensic-tests-20140813-103iuf.html

 

[Gecko100]

Yes he was at the scene - his 14th floor apartment. (It was declared a crime scene)

The transcript of the recording does not indicate that he saw R'rie on the other side of the balcony, he did not say that to his father.

The transcript does however, indicate the sound of sirens were heard on the recording devise so it could be assumed Tostee heard them as well - just about the time he was heading for the lift.
It could be assumed he also heard the R'rie' fading screams that were heard on the recording.imo

It just seems imo that most people (especially if they felt they were innocent of wrong doing) would have rung 000 and not their lawyer.

As far as handing himself in to police. IMO he did not have a lot of choice they knew it was his apartment and it seems they knew he was at home when R'rie plunged from his balcony.

I only have questions about the phone, no explaination - Why was it in the pocket of clothes he put on after R'rie fell and why did he call it numerous times?

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gold-c...ht-in-for-forensic-tests-20140813-103iuf.html

Good question Socurious, why would he keep ringing her phone did he think she parkoured her way down as suggested by the BB?
Was this an experiment?
Why did he have her phone anyway? He prevented her from calling the police or doing anything to assist her after getting her legless on moonshine that could have had anything in it, causing hallucinations or aggression.
Either way, he's responsible for it. imo
Toxicology is something that might reveal more.

 

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[Bicept]

Yes he was at the scene - his 14th floor apartment. (It was declared a crime scene)

The transcript of the recording does not indicate that he saw R'rie on the other side of the balcony, he did not say that to his father.

The transcript does however, indicate the sound of sirens were heard on the recording devise so it could be assumed Tostee heard them as well - just about the time he was heading for the lift.
It could be assumed he also heard the R'rie' fading screams that were heard on the recording.imo

It just seems imo that most people (especially if they felt they were innocent of wrong doing) would have rung 000 and not their lawyer.

As far as handing himself in to police. IMO he did not have a lot of choice they knew it was his apartment and it seems they knew he was at home when R'rie plunged from his balcony.

I only have questions about the phone, no explaination - Why was it in the pocket of clothes he put on after R'rie fell and why did he call it numerous times?

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gold-c...ht-in-for-forensic-tests-20140813-103iuf.html

It was not the scene of the death. Tostee said in his forum post that he saw WW on the other side of the balcony. The audio demonstrates that somewhere on the balcony was the last place he saw her. It would have soon become apparent that she was no longer there. At that point Tostee did not know what happened to her as he never went back out on the balcony. Witness statements depict her hanging off the edge of the other side of the rail, so he would not have been able to see her or where she ended up. Why would he call 000 if he didn't know what happened to her? All he knew is that he had an argument with her and that she was no longer on his balcony, hence the call to his lawyer.

Sounds of sirens are extremely common in Surfers Paradise and they occurred so soon so there would be no reason for him to suspect that the sirens heard while he was still in his apartment would be related to the incident. Coincidentally, they actually were related as it was later revealed, but he had no way of knowing that from his perspective.

He only could have had a clearer idea of what had actually happened by the time he reached the lobby and saw flashing lights, although as far as we know he never actually saw the body so we can safely say he still didn't know for sure.

 

[sosocurious]

It was not the scene of the death. Tostee said in his forum post that he saw WW on the other side of the balcony. The audio demonstrates that somewhere on the balcony was the last place he saw her. It would have soon become apparent that she was no longer there. At that point Tostee did not know what happened to her as he never went back out on the balcony. Witness statements depict her hanging off the edge of the other side of the rail, so he would not have been able to see her or where she ended up. Why would he call 000 if he didn't know what happened to her? All he knew is that he had an argument with her and that she was no longer on his balcony, hence the call to his lawyer.

Sounds of sirens are extremely common in Surfers Paradise and they occurred so soon so there would be no reason for him to suspect that the sirens heard while he was still in his apartment would be related to the incident. Coincidentally, they actually were related as it was later revealed, but he had no way of knowing that from his perspective.

He only could have had a clearer idea of what had actually happened by the time he reached the lobby and saw flashing lights, although as far as we know he never actually saw the body so we can safely say he still didn't know for sure.

Considering your opinion on how Tostee might have been feeling and thinking and why he chose the actions he did up until that point. Then considering his actions objectively after that point.

Why did he leave the scene (the building) via the basement I wonder?

Then call R'rie's phone numerous times, yet acted surprised when letting his father know he had her phone in his pocket?

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[Gecko100]

'Act surprised' lol.
This guy has it all sussed out.
Objectively speaking his care and concern for other human beings is just not there. Zilch zip zero.

I can think of many young men his age, who most certainly would show overt compassion at a death at their home, and they wouldn't run away like a naughty child.
He has uttered not one word about Rrie's family except to denigrate and blame. He is absolutely absent any modicum of care about the grief, loss, and anguish of her family and friends.
You could say based on his behaviour, that he feels the same way about the grief and loss to his parents and brother.
He just seems to care about him..

 

[Bicept]

Considering your opinion on how Tostee might have been feeling and thinking and why he chose the actions he did up until that point. Then considering his actions objectively after that point.

Why did he leave the scene (the building) via the basement I wonder?

Then call R'rie's phone numerous times, yet acted surprised when letting his father know he had her phone in his pocket?

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

If you place yourself in his shoes his actions were understandable given what he knew/didn't know at the time. Of course it looks bad in hindsight, because we know many things Tostee did not. At the time he could only assume, and I'm sure he would have been somewhat in a state of confusion and disbelief too.

I'm assuming he exited through the basement because he assumed the worst when he saw the flashing lights and wanted to seek advice and sober up rather than walk straight into a situation that he could not offer any help and may cause him to be arrested under suspicion without legal representation.

The only reason I can think of as to why he picked up the phone was by mistake or drunkenness and forgot about it. He could have tried to call her in the slim hope she would answer.

 

[Gecko100]

Interesting thoughts to ponder. https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#

 

[sosocurious]

If you place yourself in his shoes his actions were understandable given what he knew/didn't know at the time. Of course it looks bad in hindsight, because we know many things Tostee did not. At the time he could only assume, and I'm sure he would have been somewhat in a state of confusion and disbelief too.

I'm assuming he exited through the basement because he assumed the worst when he saw the flashing lights and wanted to seek advice and sober up rather than walk straight into a situation that he could not offer any help and may cause him to be arrested under suspicion without legal representation.

The only reason I can think of as to why he picked up the phone was by mistake or drunkenness and forgot about it. He could have tried to call her in the slim hope she would answer.

I agree Bicept it looked bad from the get go that he had left the scene and with each snippet of new information imo it looks badder!!

He had assumed the worst at 2:21:50am when he tried contacting his lawyer - 38 seconds after R'rie fell and screams were heard. imo

Confusion, disbelief, intoxication or whatever, he rang his lawyer for what reason?

He may have had a reason for removing R'rie's phone from his apartment and I am curious to know what that reason may have been. imo

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[Bicept]

I agree Bicept it looked bad from the get go that he had left the scene and with each snippet of new information imo it looks badder!!

He had assumed the worst at 2:21:50am when he tried contacting his lawyer - 38 seconds after R'rie fell and screams were heard. imo

Confusion, disbelief, intoxication or whatever, he rang his lawyer for what reason?

He had a reason for removing R'rie's phone from his apartment and I am curious to know what that reason was. imo

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

He had just had an altercation with a disagreeable guest who then disappeared off his balcony. He probably didn't know what to do so tried to call someone who would.

As for Warriena's phone, the fact that he tried to call it must have meant he didn't know he had it. Why he would collect her phone and apparently nothing else I don't know, which is why I think it was probably just drunkenness/confusion.

 

[sosocurious]

He had just had an altercation with a disagreeable guest who then disappeared off his balcony. He probably didn't know what to do so tried to call someone who would.

As for Warriena's phone, the fact that he tried to call it must have meant he didn't know he had it. Why he would collect her phone and apparently nothing else I don't know, which is why I think it was probably just drunkenness/confusion.

His father would probably have been a good option. Dad can you come to Avalon I might have a situation. imo

 

[Bicept]

His father would probably have been a good option. imo

I suppose that's why he eventually did after trying his lawyer without success. It's not the kind of call you'd want to hear from your son in the middle of the night, perhaps he didn't want to alarm his father unless he had no other option.

 

[sosocurious]

He had just had an altercation with a disagreeable guest who then disappeared off his balcony. He probably didn't know what to do so tried to call someone who would.

As for Warriena's phone, the fact that he tried to call it must have meant he didn't know he had it. Why he would collect her phone and apparently nothing else I don't know, which is why I think it was probably just drunkenness/confusion.

BBM
Good point -- maybe something else was removed from the apartment.

Guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[SouthAussie]

'Act surprised' lol.
This guy has it all sussed out.
Objectively speaking his care and concern for other human beings is just not there. Zilch zip zero.

I can think of many young men his age, who most certainly would show overt compassion at a death at their home, and they wouldn't run away like a naughty child.
He has uttered not one word about Rrie's family except to denigrate and blame. He is absolutely absent any modicum of care about the grief, loss, and anguish of her family and friends.
You could say based on his behaviour, that he feels the same way about the grief and loss to his parents and brother.
He just seems to care about him..

He may, too, have a parent that has enabled this self-focus. One that perhaps said something like "Don't worry about a girl possibly dying, let's just worry about you, right now".

I still believe that many/most parents would have picked their child up, accompanied them to the police station right then and there, found out how Warriena was, sat with their child until his lawyer arrived. Instead of waiting 7½ hours to go to the police. I think that many/most parents would understand how bad that would look for their child. The police could not have insisted that Tostee speak without a lawyer present, and at least it may have shown a modicum of concern - by both of them.

 

[Ausgirl]

The minimisation would be hilarious, except it's not... "disappeared" off the balcony.. like he went "ooh" and scratched his head in utter befuddlement as to her fate. What utter BS. He KNEW she'd fallen (which I firmly believe will be 100% proven in court, if it helps the prosecution's case against him), he crapped himself and acted like an utter coward, concerned only with the consequences for himself.

 

[SouthAussie]

Something else that I have been wondering - what were the bail conditions that were put in place after the January 2014 incident? Did his massive 7½ hr delay in attending a police station after Rrie's death involve avoiding further charges for breaking those bail conditions? Were they something to do with alcohol consumption (hence, drinking water in public bars)? They couldn't have been to do with driving, as he was not driving in the January incident.


"Police were called after a tuk-tuk driver claimed he’d run away without paying. They caught up with him, the documents say, at a store nearby where he was buying chocolate and using obscene language.

When he was confronted it is alleged he twice told the officer to “f*** off c***” and “What are you going to do small man”. He was arrested and while he was being placed in the back seat of the police car kicked another officer and had to be sprayed with capsicum spray.
As a result he was charged with commit public nuisance and assault or obstructing a police officer.

Later in the year, on July 27 ..... Tostee was also charged with breaching bail conditions that had been imposed after the January incident."

http://www.news.com.au/national/gab...-warriena-wright/story-fncynjr2-1227057520144

 

[Ausgirl]

He may, too, have a parent that has enabled this self-focus. One that perhaps said something like "Don't worry about a girl possibly dying, let's just worry about you, right now".

I still believe that many/most parents would have picked their child up, accompanied them to the police station right then and there, found out how Warriena was, sat with their child until his lawyer arrived. Instead of waiting 7½ hours to go to the police. I think that many/most parents would understand how bad that would look for their child. The police could not have insisted that Tostee speak without a lawyer present, and at least it may have shown a modicum of concern - by both of them.

Perhaps a part of the issue was the that the "child" in question was already heading for court, being on two separate lots of charges, at least one of them over crimes committed while already on bail, just a month or so before. Maybe he didn't want to face the police, because he was already known to them, quite well already. So I can understand him wanting run away. What I don't understand is his dad supporting that course of action. Or maybe.. I do. I just can't see it as a good thing for a parent to do.

I have to wonder how many excuses were made for him, over his first arrest. The non-existent autism was probably one. I also to have to wonder how old he's going to get, and how much havoc he will manage to wreak, before the excuses and justifications dry up. Will the "boyish misadventure" angle still get trotted out when he's 40? 45? 50?