Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #6

[Strangeworld]

He phoned Warriena's mobile phone from his dad's car. If he knew she was deceased at the time, why would he phone? Who does that?

This is the piece of the puzzle that puzzles me. If he called a lawyer, he must have been pretty sure she fell resulting in catastrophic injury or death. So he wasn't calling to see if she had miraculously landed or crawled to another balcony or that she was ok. So why phone her mobile?

 

[SouthAussie]

He phoned Warriena's mobile phone from his dad's car. If he knew she was deceased at the time, why would he phone? Who does that?

A person who might want to say "she was so drunk, and left my apartment, and so I called and called her to see if she was okay"

Then ditch the phone, never to be found again.

I think he was keeping all options open, as far as he could, to try to cover his bum.

 

[Amee]

Well, when you are in a legal quagmire involving the obvious death of someone you had in your Unit in those circumstances, who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?

000 is my first call.

 

[Trooper]

Who would you call first if someone fell off your balcony? Lawyer or emergency services?

ooo, then I d try God's number, I 'd already know I was in the s , h, i ...t...e....

 

[Makara]

Yes, an ambulance ... then the lawyer/dad/ghost busters/whoever.

And then you can go eat pizza but not until!

 

[sleepinoz]

Well, when you are in a legal quagmire involving the obvious death of someone you had in your Unit in those circumstances, who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?

Probably would have got through to them.

 

[Trooper]

And then you can go eat pizza but not until!

a practical person would order in, Makara.. I mean.. you have to be there to let them in, right?...

 

[Elde Fruit]

There is an oxymoron in there somewhere. :wink:

Where? It would not matter what his reaction was. Baden-Clay got pilloried (as it turned out, according to the High Court, appropriately) for his post event conduct. Tostee will as well. It will still not prove he killed the deceased and/or that he intended to. The tape recording clearly demonstrates he was acting in self defence and very conservatively in that regard. He neutralised the deceased without laying a hand upon the deceased when he managed to isolate the deceased out on the balcony. From that moment on, the deceased became the author of her own outcome.

 

[Trooper]

This is the piece of the puzzle that puzzles me. If he called a lawyer, he must have been pretty sure she fell resulting in catastrophic injury or death. So he wasn't calling to see if she had miraculously landed or crawled to another balcony or that she was ok. So why phone her mobile?

It still beats me!!..

 

[possumheart]

So why phone her mobile?

To make sure the pistol is still in his pocket.

 

[Elde Fruit]

000 is my first call.

Why bother when first responders were already 'crawling over the place?'

 

[Strangeworld]

a practical person would order in, Makara.. I mean.. you have to be there to let them in, right?...

And how much fun it would be to record the conversation as you pay for the pizza at the door...mess with the delivery driver a little, maybe tell him he has been naughty for leaving off the anchovies and discipline him by locking him on the balcony...

 

[Trooper]

And how much fun it would be to record the conversation as you pay for the pizza at the door...mess with the delivery driver a little, maybe tell him he has been naughty for leaving off the anchovies and discipline him by locking him on the balcony...

you could even have a tantrum over a stray olive... make that delivery flunkey remember you good...

 

[kiwi50]

I would love to get some perspective from those who believe Tostee was not responsible for Warriena's death in any way so just throwing this out there in case one of those people would like to respond.

Do you think Tostee acted appropriately? From a human perspective, not a legal perspective. Can you see any fault in his choices outside the legal framework? Pre and post Warriena's death.

I'm curious too, as someone with daughters and granddaughters, I find it depressing that there seem to be others who don't have a problem with Tostees actions, one can only hope your child, grandchild never meets them

 

[SouthAussie]

Where? It would not matter what his reaction was. Baden-Clay got pilloried (as it turned out, according to the High Court, appropriately) for his post event conduct. Tostee will as well. It will still not prove he killed the deceased and/or that he intended to. The tape recording clearly demonstrates he was acting in self defence and very conservatively in that regard. He neutralised the deceased without laying a hand upon the deceased when he managed to isolate the deceased out on the balcony. From that moment on, the deceased became the author of her own outcome.

Isolate .... imprison .... hold against her will .... not allow her to go home because she had been a bad girl .... not open the front door and push/drag/manhandle her out that way ....

I guess it depends which side of the courtroom you sit on, as to which way you see that.

 

[Makara]

Ah, 747, straight over the head!

 

[Strangeworld]

Where? It would not matter what his reaction was. Baden-Clay got pilloried (as it turned out, according to the High Court, appropriately) for his post event conduct. Tostee will as well. It will still not prove he killed the deceased and/or that he intended to. The tape recording clearly demonstrates he was acting in self defence and very conservatively in that regard. He neutralised the deceased without laying a hand upon the deceased when he managed to isolate the deceased out on the balcony. From that moment on, the deceased became the author of her own outcome.

BBM
Do tell, what did he do conservatively? What would you see as more appropriate, do you think he should have been rougher with her? Can you be specific about what actions he used conservatively and what actions you think he could have rightly and legally used?

He confined her to a balcony very high off the ground with no means of escaping other than over said balcony...whilst she was intoxicated and clearly distressed..hmmmm...

Seriously, I am trying to understand where you are coming from but I am struggling big time.

 

[Trooper]

I'm curious too, as someone with daughters and granddaughters, I find it depressing that there seem to be others who don't have a problem with Tostees actions, one can only hope your child, grandchild never meets them

I don't have a lot of curiousity about those who have chosen to worship and adore Gabe.. the ones who can see logic in everything Gabe does and says, who kind of like the idea of women, any woman being hurled off a 14th floor balcony, a woman who drinks, and indulges in ill mannered sexual activity, putting Gabe in danger... I somehow think they don't have all the necessary cogs whirring away in any synchronised manner, and nothing is going to alter that...

 

[Amee]

Why bother when first responders were already 'crawling over the place?'

within a minute of Warriena falling they were already there? Do you have a link please?

 

[SouthAussie]

Why bother when first responders were already 'crawling over the place?'

Not so sure the jury will see it that way though.
As I said before, an ounce of compassion or care would have gone a long way then (with police), and a long way right now, in the trial.