Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #6

[Elde Fruit]

Link please - I haven't read this anywhere.

Neither have I read of the Crown relying on it. I cannot prove what does not exist.

 

[fairydust]

maybe Gabe hoped that no one would twig that she fell from his balcony.... . . he seems the sort of guy who lives a lot in the world of wishful thinking..... .. while he is merrily recording people and not telling them, CCTV is merrily recording him walking round, meeting up with the 'recently deceased', and not telling him he is being recorded, where he takes the deceased up to his apartment and comes out without her, , in fact, she never comes out the front door, . as the CCTV secretly recording Gabe and his front door clearly show.

Perhaps he just forgot that secretly recording people isn't a new thing.. its being done all the time, all over the world, on every street, and particularly, in High Definition, on the streets of the Gold Coast and with blanket coverage, on the streets of Surfers Paradise..

lol wishful thinking....I guess Gable is a one off there, right? I mean, no one here indulges in it, do they? lololololol

 

[fairydust]

He phoned Warriena's mobile phone from his dad's car. If he knew she was deceased at the time, why would he phone? Who does that?

So what if he does? Why is it such a problem for you? I can see the obvious answer as to why he did it, his convo with his Dad give it away, bu apparently Im not allowed to give psychological opinions ...Im not qualified.....lolol

 

[Strangeworld]

I wonder if the police have found anything significant on the other recordings Tostee has made with other girls?

 

[Ausgirl]

Any theories so far about why he called her phone?

All I can think of is:

1. he has a compulsive disorder of some kind

2. aborted attempt at alibi "I wasn't there, I went for pizza..." (fits with sneaking out)

 

[fairydust]

Where? It would not matter what his reaction was. Baden-Clay got pilloried (as it turned out, according to the High Court, appropriately) for his post event conduct. Tostee will as well. It will still not prove he killed the deceased and/or that he intended to. The tape recording clearly demonstrates he was acting in self defence and very conservatively in that regard. He neutralised the deceased without laying a hand upon the deceased when he managed to isolate the deceased out on the balcony. From that moment on, the deceased became the author of her own outcome.

Well saod. this is all that really needs to be known.

 

[Strangeworld]

Any theories so far about why he called her phone?

All I can think of is:

1. he has a compulsive disorder of some kind

2. aborted attempt at alibi "I wasn't there, I went for pizza..." (fits with sneaking out)

He has been diagnosed with OCD

 

[fairydust]

Isolate .... imprison .... hold against her will .... not allow her to go home because she had been a bad girl .... not open the front door and push/drag/manhandle her out that way ....

I guess it depends which side of the courtroom you sit on, as to which way you see that.

Or refuse to leave when told to do so...repeatedly. Depends on how good your ears are when you listen to a recording I guess....

 

[Trooper]

Any theories so far about why he called her phone?

All I can think of is:

1. he has a compulsive disorder of some kind

2. aborted attempt at alibi "I wasn't there, I went for pizza..." (fits with sneaking out)

maybe he thought she would pull herself together and answer it. It's hard to have a theory when it has to include Gabe's mind and thought processes.. he is a damaged bloke to start off with, diagnosed ADHD, and my own diagnosis, Oppositional Defiance Disorder, and the Police diagnosis which was that he was out of his mind and had to be sprayed with mace and tasered , this was before the murder.. the police word for this is 'being a public nuisance'.. . so rolling all this up, and throwing in any amount of assorted other deficiencies..... I think he rang her number because he rings numbers.. . .. here was a phone, ring the number, like a monkey turning a piece of wood over and over..

 

[Elde Fruit]

IMO there will be further legal action in Tostee's future. This case will not be the end and I would bet he knows it.

What further legal action is forseeable, outside the criminal justice system?

 

[sleepinoz]

so what if he does? Why is it such a problem for you? I can see the obvious answer as to why he did it, his convo with his dad give it away, bu apparently im not allowed to give psychological opinions ...im not qualified.....lolol

bbm.............

 

[fairydust]

Not so sure the jury will see it that way though.
As I said before, an ounce of compassion or care would have gone a long way then (with police), and a long way right now, in the trial.

Compassion is not an element of the offence Tostee is charged with. Neither is there is no such crime as "lacking compassion" in Qld.

 

[fairydust]

Not so sure the jury will see it that way though.
As I said before, an ounce of compassion or care would have gone a long way then (with police), and a long way right now, in the trial.

Compassion is not an element of the offence Tostee is charged with. Neither is there is such crime as "lacking compassion" in Qld.

 

[MZD]

I'm going for alibi. He seems to be pretty quick on the ball in regards to covering his a$$.

ie -
Didn't want to look over the balcony in case anyone saw him and assumed he pushed her
Lawyered up immediately, and (in his own words later to his father) before he knew for certain she was dead
Left the scene immediately

I think he was scattergunning a few a$$-covering tactics

 

[Strangeworld]

Or refuse to leave when told to do so...repeatedly. Depends on how good your ears are when you listen to a recording I guess....

What, over the balcony? Because she had no way of leaving the apartment any other way, regardless of what happened before that.

If a person felt so threatened by another that they felt compelled to confine them against their will ON THEIR PREMISES, logic says the police would be called. Hmmm, no such call. He must have been terrified for his life, why not reach out to those who could assist him? If his life was threatened, why didn't he exit his apartment and call the police from the hallway? IMO because he wasn't fearful at all.

 

[Elde Fruit]

He has been diagnosed with OCD

Has that been established as part of the evidence in the Trial?

 

[fairydust]

I find it extraordinarily suspicious that he actually takes 60 seconds before he starts dialing Potts the lawyer. what was he doing?.. I think , ,by the sounds on the recording , he was unscrewing the telescope, he had decided that would be the weapon that she used to 'attack' him, but being Gabe, he couldn't bring himself to give himself an almighty thud over the head himself, he couldn't do it to his own precious face, but that is precisely what he needed to do, and didn't.

That's what is going to sink him.

Why is 60 secs suspicious? Is there a time limit on reactions or something?

 

[Strangeworld]

What further legal action is forseeable, outside the criminal justice system?

Refer to my previous posts

 

[Trooper]

What, over the balcony? Because she had no way of leaving the apartment any other way, regardless of what happened before that.

If a person felt so threatened by another that they felt compelled to confine them against their will ON THEIR PREMISES, logic says the police would be called. Hmmm, no such call. He must have been terrified for his life, why not reach out to those who could assist him? If his life was threatened, why didn't he exit his apartment and call the police from the hallway? IMO because he wasn't fearful at all.

not a skerrick of fear.. all was going according to the plan... . . things went a little bit haywire, but nothing Gabe cant fix... . even Dad offering to take him to the hospital was met with scorn and refusal, what, me Gabe go to hospital? nothing wrong!..

 

[fairydust]

Here's the (very bizarre) call activity in the moments after Warriena fell:

2.21.50am: Male makes call to lawyer Mick Purcell. Call made from handset. “(Expletive).” Call not connected.


2.22am: Male: “Where the (expletive) are my keys?”


2.23am: “Expletive, expletive, expletive.”


2.23.30am: “Oh my god.” Sound of getting dressed, pulling jeans up.


2.26am: Sound of sirens in the background.


2.26.30am: Sound of lift button.


2.28.30am: Walking noises. Footsteps.


2.39.30am: Walking stops.

2.24.13am: Call to deceased.


2.42am: Walking starts again.


2.47am: Call to Purcell.


2.49am: Screen shot taken of phone with images of deceased. Call to deceased.


3.10.30am: Male: “Um a piece of supreme please.”


3.11.30am: Paper rustling. (Eating pizza).



3.23am: Makes phone call. “Hello dad. I might have a bit of a situation. See um I met up with a girl for a date tonight and she started getting really aggressive. It was all right at first and like we, you know, had sex in bed and she kept drinking. We were both drinking and I think that she thought that it was like a joke or something and she kept like beating me up and whatever. It was cos she was really drunk and whatever and I like forced her out on the balcony and I think that she might have jumped off.”


Dad: “Oh no.”


3.23.30am: Male: “Like I have been walking around and there are a million cops around my building. I’m (expletive). I don’t know what to do.”


Dad: “Where are you? At your unit?”


Male: “I didn’t cause this, like I didn’t push her. There are a million cops in the area.”


Dad: “I’ll come and get you OK?”


Male: “It is really (expletive) up. I am like at Dominos. Dad, like this is not my fault.”


3.25am: Call continues ... “I don’t know, like I tackled her on my floor inside the building and I never forced her over the balcony.”


Dad: I am sure you wouldn’t, mate.”


Male: I don’t know what the (expletive) happened, it is crazy. I swear to god I didn’t push her, I just chucked her out on the balcony and locked the door because she was beating me up.”


Dad: “I’ll come over now OK?”


3.29am: Call continues. Male: Hang on a sec. What the (expletive). What the (expletive) is this ... you know how I said there was something in my pocket. Well it is her phone in my pocket.”


Dad: “Is it her phone?”


Male: “It is her phone, yeah ... Dad like what happened was we were drinking and we got into bed together then and after that she just kept drinking and she just kept like I don’t know she was just like beating me up. She thought it was funny or something and I was just like tackled her in the middle of my apartment and I said that it wasn’t funny anymore and blah blah blah.

“Then when I let her go the last thing I remember was she was on the balcony and I don’t know if she jumped or what, I don’t know. It wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t my god damn fault.”



3.46.30am: Call made and connected. “Hey dad, are you nearby. I am seriously freezing.


Dad: “Not far away at all. Male: “Can you stay on the line?” Dad: Yep.


3.47.30am: Sound of car door opening and seatbelt being placed on.


3.48am: Dad: “We need to ring (lawyer) Bill Potts. Male: “I didn’t do anything. Dad: “I understand. Um the only thing we can do is ring Bill Potts up now. You can’t do anything else but that but you need to do it straight away really. Can you find his number?”


3.48.30am: Male: “I wish that I had cameras in my unit. I have audio. I tried calling her phone.” Dad: “Don’t call her phone.”

3.49am: Call is made to phone and goes to message bank. Dad: “What are you doing, why did you do that?” Male: “I don’t know.”
3.50am: Call to deceased.



3.51am: “Why does this (expletive) always happen to me. I didn’t ask for this. I wasn’t doing anything wrong, I just invited the girl over. The more she drank ...”


Dad: “Was she jealous or something?”


Male: “Me and her had sex and it was like the more that she drank she just got violent for some reason.
Dad: “Did she want a more serious relationship or something?”

Male: “No, she was like I know Muay Thai blah blah blah and I’ll beat you up for fun rah rah rah and I was like tolerating it for a bit and went ‘yeah stop that’. Last thing that I remember was that I tried holding her down and she ran out on to my balcony. I hope I just imagined it.”


3.51.30am: Call to deceased.


3.52am: I might have locked her out on my balcony cos there is like a lock. I can’t remember what I did but I absolutely did not throw her off my balcony. I would never do anything like that.”


3.52.30am: Dad: “We need to ring up Potts.” Male: “I don’t ask for this (expletive). Why does this (expletive) happen to me?”



http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...s/news-story/6c9264557282aa42377cfb46d0b875cb


I also bolded the evolving narrative regarding how Warriena came to be out on that balcony, and the parts where it's very clear that Tostee was aware (from moment one) that she had fallen (so his later apparent wonderment over whether she is dead is nonsense is lies.. he called his lawyer *for a reason*). .

I get why he starts to lie about what happened and what he recalls happening. I get why he lies about knowing her phone was in his pocket.

I don't get why he repeatedly calls it, even after his father tells him not to.

Really, why is it bizarre? Seems fairly straightforward.