Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #7

[Elde Fruit]

Irrespective of whether you believe GT should be found guilty, does anyone actually believe he will be found guilty of murder?

Not me. However, I would not be at all surprised if the Jury convicted him of manslaughter, and if it does, that will be successfully appealed. For easy example, I was involved (professionally) in a case where the client was charged with 'dangerous driving causing death.' At no stage in the Trial was it ever contended that the deceased died from anything other than as a direct result of the dangerous driving.

The only dispute was whether the driving was dangerous.

What did the Jury do? Well, they acquitted on the charge of dangerous driving causing death, yet convicted him of dangerous driving. Obviously, later overturned on appeal. Appellate Courts will disturb perverse Jury verdicts. Juries do not get to negotiate or bargain or come to a compromise on an outcome like that.

 

[Trooper]

He won't be found guilty though will he?

I cant find any post where you tell me, or anyone else why he wont be found guilty. . my post concerning your query is already posted on the forum you were given a direction to. I notice there that you have not outlined why you think he wont be found guilty . So if your position is just not guilty it appears there is not much one can engage with. So I wont.

 

[jessicalouise]

GT has a history of assault and antisocial behaviour. GT has at least one time admitted by he himself lifted up a girl on the balcony and spooked her so much she ran off home and deleted him off FB and Tinder. GT has been in trouble with the law on numerous occasions. GT is known in the local area for his poor behaviour in venues so much so that he's been banned from some of them. GT has a history of trying to manipulate and head**** his female guests/dates. GT has a history of making his own moonshine that exceeds the alcohol content of vodka available to legally purchase.

If the worst thing anyone can come up with is that WW threw some decorative rocks and thus she deserved everything she gets then far out, that is disgusting beyond all belief.

It is very, very clear that GT has tried to set up the situation so that she ends up on the balcony as he has a fixation on the balcony. He has menioned it 3-4 times in the course of their recorded discussion. I mean come on.

Be a MRA misogynist, by all means. But at least stick to the facts.

 

[LozDa]

GT has a history of assault and antisocial behaviour. GT has at least one time admitted by he himself lifted up a girl on the balcony and spooked her so much she ran off home and deleted him off FB and Tinder. GT has been in trouble with the law on numerous occasions. GT is known in the local area for his poor behaviour in venues so much so that he's been banned from some of them. GT has a history of trying to manipulate and head**** his female guests/dates. GT has a history of making his own moonshine that exceeds the alcohol content of vodka available to legally purchase.

If the worst thing anyone can come up with is that WW threw some decorative rocks and thus she deserved everything she gets then far out, that is disgusting beyond all belief.

It is very, very clear that GT has tried to set up the situation so that she ends up on the balcony as he has a fixation on the balcony. He has menioned it 3-4 times in the course of their recorded discussion. I mean come on.

Be a MRA misogynist, by all means. But at least stick to the facts.

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[John Dillinger]

answers my question ?? in what way?? your excerpt from that letter in no way addresses the question I posed, not particularly to you, merely generally, but since you chose to respond, here is my question again.

Havent we had a few misguided posters on this thread this week promoted the same idea? that Gabe is gentlemanly and terribly forgiving and even though he has threatened to throw her off the balcony, and she does go over the balcony terrified, somehow Gabe's cape of gentility doesn't even get a crease in it?

This was said in gest, at a time while her violence was still playful. And you do know that he didn't throw her off the balcony, she climbed over the rail and fell off. These are 2 completely different things, the outcome was tragic, yes, but he didn't throw her off the balcony, so as many times as you discuss him throwing her off of the balcony, it will always be different to what happened.

I honestly believe her level of intoxication increased her fear level and also her ability to make rational decisions, and yes, she may have felt scared, but could or would she have felt the same level of fear if she was sober? This is why I feel he is not guilty. As I've said before, I don't like the guy either, but I don't like the fact someone should be found guilty of a crime, where IMO it was a terrible situation that caused a tragic accident. Not murder, nor manslaughter.

 

[jessicalouise]

And you know what, okay he might get off, he might be found not guilty. He might not actually be guilty. But that doesn't erase the facts, it doesn't erase his behaviour, his confessions, the evidence, or his past. What do you think is going to happen in the future with his sort of personality and behaviour? We see it time and time again.

 

[Kitsune]

<modsnip> On the tiahleigh thread, there are people talking about their experiences working in child safety, they are not verified and they are not really questioned nor pulled up . Talking about ones experience is not claiming that they are 100% right and should be listened too...... Every single person on this forum comes with life experience, that can't be verified.

 

[John Dillinger]

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Quote Originally Posted by Elde Fruit
Maybe, as I speculated, she was frustrated that her Ninja skill was being beaten

The Ninja reference is relevant to the case, as WW said to Tostee that she had Ninja skills and skills in muay thai, Elde Fruit wasn't victim bashing with this reference.

 

[jessicalouise]

This was said in gest, at a time while her violence was still playful. And you do know that he didn't throw her off the balcony, she climbed over the rail and fell off. These are 2 completely different things, the outcome was tragic, yes, but he didn't throw her off the balcony, so as many times as you discuss him throwing her off of the balcony, it will always be different to what happened.

I honestly believe her level of intoxication increased her fear level and also her ability to make rational decisions, and yes, she may have felt scared, but could or would she have felt the same level of fear if she was sober? This is why I feel he is not guilty. As I've said before, I don't like the guy either, but I don't like the fact someone should be found guilty of a crime, where IMO it was a terrible situation that caused a tragic accident. Not murder, nor manslaughter.

Can you tell me please why WW is being blamed for her drunken state when GT was the one serving her moonshine that had an alcohol percentage well and above any store bought spirit and thus, what she thought may have been x standard drinks were actually well in excess of that.

Because i'd like to know.

The events leading up to whatever happened on the balcony were put in motion by GT and are indisputable.
(In my opinion she was probably trying to get down to the balcony below and slipped and fell.) Between taking a chance at freedom and having to get past GT to be able to leave after he committed violence on her, well ... jeez. I dunno.

 

[LozDa]

The Ninja reference is relevant to the case, as WW said to Tostee that she had Ninja skills and skills in muay thai, Elde Fruit wasn't victim bashing with this reference.

It was snide, irreverent and disrespectful and you know it.

I'm so done with the victim bashers. You can believe in GT's innocence regarding murder or manslaughter as your prerogative, but this girl went out on a date and ended up dead. If you were reading some of the comments that have been made as a relative, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to protect.



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[jessicalouise]

It was snide, irreverent and disrespectful and you know it.

I'm so done with the victim bashers. You can believe in GT's innocence regarding murder or manslaughter as your prerogative, but this girl went out on a date and ended up dead. If you were reading some of the comments that have been made as a relative, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to protect.



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Indeed. I'm with you on this. The victim-bashing on this thread is appalling and obvious yet keeps happening.

 

[John Dillinger]

Can you tell me please why WW is being blamed for her drunken state when GT was the one serving her moonshine that had an alcohol percentage well and above any store bought spirit and thus, what she thought may have been x standard drinks were actually well in excess of that.

Because i'd like to know.

The events leading up to whatever happened on the balcony were put in motion by GT and are indisputable.
(In my opinion she was probably trying to get down to the balcony below and slipped and fell.) Between taking a chance at freedom and having to get past GT to be able to leave after he committed violence on her, well ... jeez. I dunno.

I'm NOT blaming WW for being drunk, I'm suggesting her intoxication is a reason why she made the decisions that she made and resulted in the outcome.

I'm sure Tostee wasn't expecting that the same girl he served the alcohol to, was to climb over the balcony rail and fall to her death, who would have known that.

I'm sure she didn't say to him, please don't keep serving me this alcohol as I may climb over the balcony rail and fall to my death.

 

[Strangeworld]

Indeed. I'm with you on this. The victim-bashing on this thread is appalling and obvious yet keeps happening.

Has really escalated. Take the audience away and it will deflate :coffeews:

 

[jessicalouise]

Re: the rocks. I've been in a situation where a drunken guest was extremely disrespectful to myself and my belongings. So they were escorted to the door and sent out. An apartment door will lock as soon as that lock is clicked into place. The end.

But in the case of GT. He stole her phone and made her believe she'd lost it so she'd have a reason to stay. And he put her on the balcony because of his weird fixation with girls on balconies.

So ... that's where he and i differ.

 

[Elde Fruit]

The Ninja reference is relevant to the case, as WW said to Tostee that she had Ninja skills and skills in muay thai, Elde Fruit wasn't victim bashing with this reference.

Link.

Tostee yells “Ow!” again. He’s still laughing. Wright’s speech starts to lose its coherence. She shouts “Forrest Gump” repeatedly, then “I’m a ninja – it’s not funny.” More cries of “Ow!” from Tostee.

BBM.

Sorry folks, that's what she is reported as saying.

 

[jessicalouise]

I'm NOT blaming WW for being drunk, I'm suggesting her intoxication is a reason why she made the decisions that she made and resulted in the outcome.

I'm sure Tostee wasn't expecting that the same girl he served the alcohol to, was to climb over the balcony rail and fall to her death, who would have known that.

I'm sure she didn't say to him, please don't keep serving me this alcohol as I may climb over the balcony rail and fall to my death.

Generally people know how many drinks they can drink before they get to a certain level of drunkenness. When the alcohol content is different to what you'd anticipate you would obviously be getting drunker than you had anticipated.

For example: Homemade grappa has an alcohol percentage of about 70%, storebought vodka is around 40%. So if i thought i was having vodka on the rocks but was actually being served something else i would get more drunk before i'd even register i'd gone too far.

Make sense?

He purposefully tried to get her drunker than she had planned to get. This is his MO.

 

[Elde Fruit]

Re: the rocks. I've been in a situation where a drunken guest was extremely disrespectful to myself and my belongings. So they were escorted to the door and sent out. An apartment door will lock as soon as that lock is clicked into place. The end.

But in the case of GT. He stole her phone and made her believe she'd lost it so she'd have a reason to stay. And he put her on the balcony because of his weird fixation with girls on balconies.

So ... that's where he and i differ.

BBM.

Not one skerrick of evidence supports any of that.

 

[jessicalouise]

Link.



BBM.

Sorry folks, that's what she is reported as saying.

Please explain why you're treating all GT's words on the recording as gospel when GT knew it was being recorded but WW did not. Why are his words gospel when he has a history of manipulating women in conversations that are being recorded?

See the difference?

 

[jessicalouise]

BBM.

Not one skerrick of evidence supports any of that.

It. Was. In. His. Pocket.

 

[Trooper]

I'm NOT blaming WW for being drunk, I'm suggesting her intoxication is a reason why she made the decisions that she made and resulted in the outcome.

I'm sure Tostee wasn't expecting that the same girl he served the alcohol to, was to climb over the balcony rail and fall to her death, who would have known that.

I'm sure she didn't say to him, please don't keep serving me this alcohol as I may climb over the balcony rail and fall to my death.

I understand that you feel Gabe couldn't possibly be guilty.. what is not understood and probably will never be, is why you don't start a thread of your own on this very topic?.. people would come, you could bash away at Warriena 24/7, people who feel that is distasteful, at the very least would stay away, you 'd be left in peace. Why is it that you don't avail yourself of this fix?