Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #7

[Deleted member 83851]

Do we know if they would be together in a motel, or at home individually?

I am assuming this jury is local and so would be spending the weekend at home.

 

[ninij9]

I think it is telling that the defense did not have any expert witnesses suggesting that Rrie's obstructed breathing was anything other than Gabe trying cause her harm.

Why was the telescope in two pieces .... I wonder?
imo

Because it may have opened a door to that discussion perhaps?

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[DexterMorgan]

Imo. I wouldn't blame a father or mother for killing this guy.

Now I may respect court justice.

But sometimes personal justice works as well. Jmo.

Because if the last picture or audio of your daughter is naked and scared.

Then the jury should just stay home. Jmo.

 

[Emmbles]

What would the likelihood of a verdict tomorrow be I wonder? Also is the recording in full what the Jury will be listening too? There seems so much missing that they weren't shown...If he gets off can the Crown retrial him with all the evidence?

 

[ninij9]

Imo. I wouldn't blame a father or mother for killing this guy.

Now I may respect court justice.

But sometimes personal justice works as well. Jmo.

Because if the last picture or audio of your daughter is naked and scared.

Then the jury should just stay home. Jmo.

I know. And the release of the audio of their child screaming in obvious terror would have given them additional grief for nothing if this jury does not find him guilty. I cannot even fathom hearing my child's last breathing minutes this way.

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[sosocurious]

"The reality is, she then tries something. She picks up the metal clamp and hits him.
"She is clearly on the table holding that object. It's clearly the object being referred to when he's saying 'let go, let go, let go'."
"He was hit, probably in the head, with a telescope clamp.
"Those are absolutely critical points. Tostee was plainly acting in self-defence, if hit in the head, or even if an attempt to hit in the head, with a heavy metal object.
"When it drops, that's when she gets hysterical, all of the, 'no, no, no, no' and the screaming happens from that point onwards.
"She hits him in the head and at that point he puts her outside."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11729965

:fishy:

 

[matey]

Just listened to the final 6 minutes of the tape on you tube...'W' should have refused to have any more vodka, as she was out of control & frightened of him overpowering her, holding her by the throat, as she was having trouble breathing...He said he would knock her out as she was a 'bad girl'.....His behaviour also got out of control....He sounds to me like a 'manipulative psycho & control freak' in full control of 'W' in her vulnerable state, the drunker she became the worse he got...A neighbour had heard them fighting on & off alll night into the early hours of the morning.....It sounds as though there were 2 neighbours who were witnesses

For 'W,s' feet to be facing outwards, HE must have put her in that position over the balcony....The only way of escaping (in her mind) was to lower herself onto the balcony below, even though a neighbour told her she would not be able to escape that way
& to go back inside.....She then obviously slipped or couldn't hang onto the balconcy any longer & fell to her death...GT should never have left her on the balcony in her drunken & vulnerable state & only being semi clothed, as earlier he told her that she would have to leave without her possessions, including her phone....She was so so terrified of him & his actions towards her.

I have read that he has mental health issues including OCD.....I feel that he is responsible for her death & should be charged with Manslaughter....How long was he planning to leave her locked out on that balcony, undressed on that cold August night at 2am, without her phone.

I believe that her drunken state & erratic behaviour could unfortunately go against her in the jury's summing up, as it can't be proved that he actually threw her over the balcony, as the neighbour was the witness who saw her feet dangling from the balcony & he told her to go back inside.....She then slipped or let go & fell to her death....From listening to the tape, it cannot be proved that he pushed her over the balcony causing her to fall to her death.....I hope I am wrong but I feel that he may be found Not Guilty, even though I feel that he is guilty of Manslaughter.

This is my opinion only.

 

[sleepinoz]

What would the likelihood of a verdict tomorrow be I wonder? Also is the recording in full what the Jury will be listening too? There seems so much missing that they weren't shown...If he gets off can the Crown retrial him with all the evidence?

https://www.macamiet.com.au/2014/07/21/changes-to-double-jeopardy-laws-in-queensland/

The State Government has changed double jeopardy laws to allow persons previously acquitted of offences to be recharged for the same or similar offences if there is new and compelling evidence.

 

[possumheart]

^ I also feel he is AT LEAST guilty of manslaughter, but in this country where it is acceptable for outgoing male politicians to stand on a marble coffee table in a drunken state until it breaks ... who knows what values a random jury will have.

 

[possumheart]

"The reality is, she then tries something. She picks up the metal clamp and hits him.
"She is clearly on the table holding that object. It's clearly the object being referred to when he's saying 'let go, let go, let go'."
"He was hit, probably in the head, with a telescope clamp.
"Those are absolutely critical points. Tostee was plainly acting in self-defence, if hit in the head, or even if an attempt to hit in the head, with a heavy metal object.
"When it drops, that's when she gets hysterical, all of the, 'no, no, no, no' and the screaming happens from that point onwards.
"She hits him in the head and at that point he puts her outside."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11729965

:fishy:

very dodgy
How can you clearly hear someone standing on a coffee table?

 

[Deleted member 83851]

What would the likelihood of a verdict tomorrow be I wonder? Also is the recording in full what the Jury will be listening too? There seems so much missing that they weren't shown...If he gets off can the Crown retrial him with all the evidence?

The faster the jury returns then the greater likelihood of murder, or manslaughter. I am not sure what version of the recording is being used in court. Remember it was doctored by Tostee before the police found it, so who knows what is missing from the 'original'. Could be the police found the whole original or even the deleted bits and put it back together. JMO My impression is there weren't all that many resourses applied to this case, just in general. A muted prosecution and a lazy defence. I don't think anyone will go to the bother of a retrial in this case. There just seems a lack of will to do too much, just the ordinary minimum. I am a big fan of QPS but their dedication was not at the par of working to put away Gerard Baden Clay. Just maybe it has to do with the fact that GT is already known to QPS (and their brethren in NSW) and so in their experience they will meet him again in some other criminal matter. One way or another, they're gonna get 'im.

 

[sosocurious]

The defense is saying she was clearly on the table, whilst grasping for breath.
The coffee or the dining table?
How did the bracket end up over in the middle of the room. If she dropped it from a table?
Why are the rocks the only thing disturbed on the coffee table?
imo

 

[possumheart]

Either she hit him with the bracket or she didn't. And a few rock pelts. And called him a f*****. The reaction was entirely disproportionate.

 

[Sor Juana]

Lawyer: “Thank goodness he did press record on his app at 12.55”

 

[SouthAussie]

The defense is saying she was clearly on the table, whilst grasping for breath.
The coffee or the dining table?
How did the bracket end up over in the middle of the room. If she dropped it from a table?
Why are the rocks the only thing disturbed on the coffee table?
imo

Some of the things the defence said in their summing up ..... straight out of a fiction novel. Unfortunately, they do not have to prove a darn thing that they say in summing up. In fact, they did not try to prove a darn thing throughout the whole trial. And I seriously hope that backfires on them in a BIG way!!

 

[Sor Juana]

Either she hit him with the bracket or she didn't. And a few rock pelts. And called him a f*****. The reaction was entirely disproportionate.

Considering distance (too short), those pebbles could not heart him much. The average mass of one is about 35-38g.

 

[Fuskier]

The faster the jury returns then the greater likelihood of murder, or manslaughter. I am not sure what version of the recording is being used in court. Remember it was doctored by Tostee before the police found it, so who knows what is missing from the 'original'. Could be the police found the whole original or even the deleted bits and put it back together. JMO
< respectfully snipped>

BBM. A very important point. :thinking:

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wow.

A beautiful woman says ; Hey sis; I got a good looking catch from Tinder.

And then 4 hours later. She is begging for her life after taking naked selfies and having fun.


So imo. This guy is a Ted Bundy. Jmo

 

[possumheart]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855536/I-completely-ashamed-Gable-Tostee-s-handwritten-note-bid-freedom-balcony-fall-death-says-s-wittier-started-binge-drinking-Schoolies-17.html

 

[TheOtherChristina]

I just want to say how much I admire and appreciate everyone standing up in this thread for Rrie.

:grouphug:

Personally, I feel that murder is the right charge but I'd be satisfied with a manslaughter verdict. The important thing is that this man doesn't have the opportunity to continue his predatory ways.