Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #9

[barcode]

They both had their idiosyncrasies. I am sure he did not have a shirt on that read, I HAVE OCD, do not touch my rocks. As to the rocks, I feel they were playful because if someone was truly throwing rocks in an all out assault as some would have us to believe, she would have been asked to leave at that point WO any wishy washy, ok you can stay then.

Does anyone have a link to the 199 minute video?, I searched high and dry but could not find it, too many ten minute snipits on Youtube. I really want to listen to it in it's entirety today. (again)

Do we know when sex was over compared to the start of the fight, how close of a proximity?

I noticed what seems like W may hyperventilate and she may have health issues that should have been brought out. I do not feel like there was an assault on her part, actually you hear get up, get up by GT, if she was laying down she could not have been assaulting him at the moment.

Do we know from the various posts made by GT if he was capable of having multiple orgasms, ie 2-3 times etc. This would account for him wanting to keep her around longer.

 

[Estelle]

Good. Because the evidence is there.

Locked on balcony:
Male: ...... I just chucked her out on the balcony and locked the door ........”
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...k=93ca66885e27eca209605bc238b2c20a-1476875140

Terrified:
“It wasn’t just an ordinary scream. It was a terrified scream,” he testified. (One witness)
“I heard her say, ‘I want to go home’. I heard her say, ‘help’..... (A different witness)
“No, no, no, no,” Ms Wright is heard to repeatedly yell, in chilling, blood curdling screams. (On the recording)
http://www.news.com.au/national/que...m/news-story/9d371f8eb19ac2e00fee6fa474f631fd

Blood curdling screams and primal panic are good descriptors here.

 

[Bohemian]

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[CleverKnot]

I understand where you're coming from, a person can be held hostage in a relationship because their partner threatens self harm. It's very sad and distressing for all concerned.
But there isn't evidence of Warriena having a mental illness or playing a part in the events of that night. She was drunk, they'd had a six pack of beer and Tostee's home made vodka. Some people are a little fiesty or wordy when drunk. Tostee liked to play mind games among other things with his playdates. Things got out of hand and the rest we know from the recording. JMO

Please quote where I said she had a mental illness.

I used a real life example for this person who claimed men are wussies if they are intimidated by a woman.

 

[LozDa]

If you read the post I was responding to, where she said her sons would be wussies if they were intimidated by a woman smaller than them, I simply used a real life example of where a man with a mentally ill partner, is anything but a wussy when intimidated by her, and the negative behaviours the illness can bring forth.

Yes, I had read the post and it was in direct relation to the way GT responded vs the way her sons would respond. You were implying they would act differently when faced with a woman who had a mental illness (which I take umbrage to in the first instance, but we will not go further into that).

As we know this was not the case with WW, are you saying GT didn't act appropriately, as he acted as if she did have a mental illness?

I am confused as your point in defence of GT, unless you were insinuating WW was mentally ill.

 

[SouthAussie]

Essentially.

Correct. Not completely, and not to the point a rational person couldn't have taken reasonable steps to aquire assistance.

Apparently, one witness testified he was telling her to get back inside.

It is a good thing that the jury can take into consideration Warriena's level of intoxication - which deprived her of oxygen and the ability to think clearly.
It is a terrible chain of events that likely would not have occurred if she had not been locked on that balcony. He could have removed her to practically anywhere else, and this would not have happened.

Tostee's errors:
1st - locking her on the balcony
2nd - not calling police once he had locked her on the balcony

 

[PainExpress]

I'm asking for the practical reality of the "proper" way to handle someone attacking you.

I'd suggest you talk with your parents and/or friends.

An internet forum isn't the place to learn "proper" behaviour.

Imagine if somebody took seriously some of the stuff posted by the miscers on the Body Building forum...

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[CleverKnot]

I said before that on a Thursday night in Surfers Paradise off season, Warriena could not rely on anyone being awake or even waking up due to her screams if she called for help. I can sleep through anything. I have to set several alarms to make sure I wake up sometimes if I need to get up earlier than my usual routine.

I didn't deny that she would not be in a true state of panic - primal panic is a good term for it. Perhaps she had a panic attack too. They are terrifying as i have had them. I was raped once and went into freeze mode rather than fighting or fleeing immediately. We all react in different ways.

Witnesses were already out, telling her to get back inside.

 

[possumheart]

Do we know from the various posts made by GT if he was capable of having multiple orgasms, ie 2-3 times etc. This would account for him wanting to keep her around longer.

:vomit:

 

[CleverKnot]

If someone is having a psychotic episode you get out of the way of danger and get on your phone and call for help/assistance.

So at no time, if you are physically attacked, are you allowed to use restraint?

 

[Strangeworld]

They both had their idiosyncrasies. I am sure he did not have a shirt on that read, I HAVE OCD, do not touch my rocks. As to the rocks, I feel they were playful because if someone was truly throwing rocks in an all out assault as some would have us to believe, she would have been asked to leave at that point WO any wishy washy, ok you can stay then.

Does anyone have a link to the 199 minute video?, I searched high and dry but could not find it, too many ten minute snipits on Youtube. I really want to listen to it in it's entirety today. (again)

Do we know when sex was over compared to the start of the fight, how close of a proximity?

I noticed what seems like W may hyperventilate and she may have health issues that should have been brought out. I do not feel like there was an assault on her part, actually you hear get up, get up by GT, if she was laying down she could not have been assaulting him at the moment.

Do we know from the various posts made by GT if he was capable of having multiple orgasms, ie 2-3 times etc. This would account for him wanting to keep her around longer.

I think Tostee may have had moments where he wanted her to stay, then wanted her to go, then wanted her to stay. IMO he really started messing with her and he assumed it would make for good listening when he posted on the forum he frequented. Then the tone changed and I believe it then became more about asserting control. She challenged him and he didn't like it.

 

[BigT]

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That is exactly what i thought when i saw the photo on here of the re enactment with legs hanging down from the balcony, that someone was hanging her by her arms.

It is not contested that the door closed and he was inside. It is clear in the recording....what the jury is asked to find is that her absolute fear forced her over the balcony, and that at that time, and in her reasonable expectation, this was her only option. That GT is an a...hole Is also not contested by the way....

 

[PainExpress]

He still had to deal with her stuff, and getting her out of there. She now had buildings full of witnesses at her disposal.

Her perception of his intent, doesn't mean that was his intent. She's not a mind reader. His actions, clearly, surrendered any advantage he had at that point. The neighbors were already witnessing things before she fell. It could not have been lost on him that this was now a very public issue.

If he was inside when the neighbours started witnessing her going over the edge there is no way he would known that.

If he was inside.

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[CleverKnot]

They both had their idiosyncrasies. I am sure he did not have a shirt on that read, I HAVE OCD, do not touch my rocks. As to the rocks, I feel they were playful because if someone was truly throwing rocks in an all out assault as some would have us to believe, she would have been asked to leave at that point WO any wishy washy, ok you can stay then.

Does anyone have a link to the 199 minute video?, I searched high and dry but could not find it, too many ten minute snipits on Youtube. I really want to listen to it in it's entirety today. (again)

Do we know when sex was over compared to the start of the fight, how close of a proximity?

I noticed what seems like W may hyperventilate and she may have health issues that should have been brought out. I do not feel like there was an assault on her part, actually you hear get up, get up by GT, if she was laying down she could not have been assaulting him at the moment.

Do we know from the various posts made by GT if he was capable of having multiple orgasms, ie 2-3 times etc. This would account for him wanting to keep her around longer.

Then why, if that was his motive, does he not tie her up, lock her in a room, knock her out or one of many things to ensure he has her at his mercy, rather than put her outside where she can easily call for help?

 

[LozDa]

Witnesses were already out, telling her to get back inside.

It's a shame, then, that the door was locked.

 

[possumheart]

If he was inside when the neighbours started witnessing her going over the edge there is no way he would known that.

If he was inside.

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He was never very far away. His microphone attests to that.

 

[barcode]

Then why, if that was his motive, does he not tie her up, lock her in a room, knock her out or one of many things to ensure he has her at his mercy, rather than put her outside where she can easily call for help?

<modsnip> a bit far-fetched, if he put her on the balcony and then would let her back in a few minutes later, I certainly would not entertain the idea of trying to climb down.

 

[Elde Fruit]

It's a shame, then, that the door was locked.

Was it? Did W know it was? Questions, questions, questions......much doubt......'not guilty.'

 

[Myserty64]

The basic fact here is a young woman fell to her death from Tostee's balcony.

Is this the victims fault? Really !

 

[SouthAussie]

Then why, if that was his motive, does he not tie her up, lock her in a room, knock her out or one of many things to ensure he has her at his mercy, rather than put her outside where she can easily call for help?

Apparently, he was unable to even manage to open the front door to let Warriena go home. So tying Warriena up was probably out of the question for his abilities at the time.

Much easier to 'chuck' her on the balcony, lock her out there, then do whatever it was that he did in the 50 secs before he called his lawyer.