Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sep 2014 - #65

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  • #901
Probably because she thought he was a “man of integrity”, despite his having recently receiving a criminal conviction:

Ex-police officer Gary Jubelin fined for illegal recording

Jubelin explained that he made the recordings to protect his lawful interests in case Mr Savage harmed himself or made any allegations against Jubelin in the future. Magistrate Hudson stated that the strategy of pursuing Mr Savage was approved by Jubelin's superiors, but the illegal recording was not.
Recording conversation without consent.
 
  • #902
For those wondering about the Tree - From thread #10 this post refers to it as a Celery Wood Tree.

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ETA: I see Blues Clues has already answered this.

I noticed a very good picture of it when FMC was walking the police around the property.
It's a damn weird looking tree.
 
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  • #903
If you believe that someone could spirit a child out of a backyard within metres of three people and minutes after they had last heard him and no one saw or heard it?

Yes I do! Someone pinched my big old bull terrier dog from near the road.


A school cross-country walked past my house, I went to the school and someone snitched that the dog was taken buy train many suburbs away. I got her back.
I don't consider this irrelevant
 
  • #904
Especially a foster child who had been hidden from authorities before. It would have been my first thought too.

BINGO !
 
  • #905
He tried to show police the receipt from the coffee shop the day after the first interrogation ..

When he tried to tell police he had evidence on his bank statement of purchasing the coffee he said he was told by an investigator, “I’m tired of your ******** and lies”.

Cops warn: ‘We’re going to get you’

They wasted years on someone they could have cleared very early on, just couldn't admit they were wrong IMO.

I agree Mrs G, I'm so sorry for the horror what he and his family went through. I wouldn't call it collateral damage but hopefully with the compensation he can now live a good life.
 
  • #906
Probably because she thought he was a “man of integrity”, despite his having recently receiving a criminal conviction:

Ex-police officer Gary Jubelin fined for illegal recording

My point is that if all of the material evidence from GJ's investigation was already available to the coroner, does the application to allow GJ to appear as a witness imply that GJ was in possession of information he hadn't turned over to the taskforce and coroner prior.

I just can't understand what the justification would be for GJ to be involved in the inquest when all of the evidence was already available to the coroner. It's bewildering.

But Ms Grahame said she already had a significant amount of material based on Jubelin’s investigations and he’d responded twice to written requests to present any further evidence he held on the case.

“In my view, there is little that can be gained that is already not contained in the written material,” she said.


She added Jubelin’s giving of evidence “at this point” could be a “significant distraction”.

Woman heard boy's screams near where William Tyrrell went missing, inquest told
 
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He tried to show police the receipt from the coffee shop the day after the first interrogation ..

When he tried to tell police he had evidence on his bank statement of purchasing the coffee he said he was told by an investigator, “I’m tired of your ******** and lies”.

Cops warn: ‘We’re going to get you’

They wasted years on someone they could have cleared very early on, just couldn't admit they were wrong IMO.
yep.
 
  • #908
Hi there bear, if a toddler was there moments before, he's not in sight, he's not in the house and he's not a wanderer.

Well I'm no Rhodes Scholar but my mind would assume someone has grabbed him.

I haven't had a kid taken but someone took my dog.
A school cross-country walked past my house, I went to the school and someone snitched that the dog was taken buy train many suburbs away. I got her back.
I don't consider this irrelevant

i guess what i mean is police seemed to go with abduction or lost straight away and in my opinion cleared the parents too quickly, believing ffc story,but even the first responding police officer sensed something was "off"
so pleased you got your dog back:)
 
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another news update on ch nine news, police found a replica gun in their search for william today, they dont believe its linked to the case though
 
  • #911
Yes I do! Someone pinched my big old bull terrier dog from near the road.

A school cross-country walked past my house, I went to the school and someone snitched that the dog was taken buy train many suburbs away. I got her back.

I don't consider this irrelevant

Oh no, Bull Terriers rock! Our Boags says 'Hi' by the way :D

I agree Mrs G, I'm so sorry for the horror what he and his family went through. I wouldn't call it collateral damage but hopefully with the compensation he can now live a good life.

Yes I hope so too, poor guy!
 

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  • #912
I did not write that comment for you to infer it that way. My apologies that I did not better communicate that to you.

If the MFC believes how WT became a foster child is relevant to the investigation in his disappearance, he is using yet another mouthpiece he has access to (which the bios do not) to push yet another narrative that does not involve them in WT's disappearance (and focus on the less resourced bios).

Affluence = access. It's a huge issue when the affluent may be the guilty party.

Just my opinion and observation that is directly tied to the way this bungled investigation was conducted.

This 100%.

IMO the bio's have mouth pieces: These two journos , CO & Candice Sutton & lets not forget AS, just to name a few



Here's a potential case:
‘They stopped bringing him’: Neighbour mortified after discovery in wall of family home



Yes, she would be, and of course, the chances are she isn't. However, actors tell stories. And the FFC talking about the cars sound like stories, which don't even pass the test of credulity. JMO.

I read this as "they're part of my tribe; I'm not capable of this, therefore they're not." JMO.

As far as FA, he might have an"old-time beer belly," but he's not in his late 50s. He was staying in Heron's Creek, 7km north of Kendall. What business would FA have had at 48 Benaroon Drive? It would have been dumb luck that he walked down to Nanna's that day and just happened to stumble upon WT. Further dumb luck that no one saw him when he took him. Even further dumb luck that WT didn't scream. And even crazier dumb luck that FFC remembered three cars which no one else had seen, creating a fourth car in this scenario: RP's who ... saw FA on the side of Batar Creek Road walking WT and offered him a ride? Just speculating how FA could have done it. Befuddling.

COULD have?

How about some supporting evidence he was.
Other wise this is deflective and a mute point.

LE are not looking at FA.
He and all other nefarious characters of the mid north coast have been eliminated.
For good reason.

There is no evidence to support these suggestions.

moo

How do you know LE are not looking at FA?? He has no alabi. He has connections to GO , who was in Kendall that morning ( thou he says he can't remember it ) I'm sure there is proof, he paid for his advertising in the local Kendall paper.

FA had access to many cars, it didn't bother him to drive with out a lisence, we heard from my witnesses that he did just this, he had access to many of DP's cars, the keys were often in the cars ......

The Crabbs heard a car that day they thought was the postie, but the postie had already been ( all this is in the threads around the inquest )

GO made a call that morning after 9am to the FGM h0use, it wasn't answered, the FFC doesn't recall that phone call ( how could she if it wasn't answered ) She was probably outside IMO

Was FA with GO that morning ? We don't know.Possible? Yes IMO

We do know that FA has tried to throw out that GO is involved in William's disappearance , we heard this evidence at the inquest.

Yep FA & Go are still high on my list.

Than we have RP with his death bed confession ( and we heard evidence from the nurses that he had capacity & from his family too) that he " just gave his mate & a little boy a lift from the shed behind the school )........why would he say that???


What evidence is there that FA was involved?

See above reply.....

Yes I get that, if I looked at my bank statement, I could tell you more about what I did on a particular day, and it would jog my memory. But just going in blind and asking to remember a certain day, without prompts, I would come up empty. Just my opinion that if someone recalls in great detail, a day that should be of no real significance to them, I would find that stranger than them not remembering

I think most people of Kendall & surrounds would remember that day, it was big news that a boy had gone missing, even TJ knew & was going to help search :rolleyes:

I am not sure that I believe that.

Re FA & the dog, we heard very descriptive evidence of what he did to that poor dog Buddy, of course not fit for publishing in the MSM. I'll never forget it :mad:

Just double checked and it opens easily for me. Could take a screenshot for you, but would that breach copyright?

William Tyrrell investigation reveals person of interest Frank Abbott has no alibi on day of disappearance

7NEWS understands police asked Abbott about his movements on the day William disappeared.

He has been unable to find someone to vouch for his movements but maintains he had nothing to do with the disappearance.

Case witness Steve, whose true identity is suppressed by a court order, claims a lot of evidence points to Abbott.

“I believe that he, Frank, dropped (friend Ray Porter) off at hospital and had access to Ray’s car,” Steve told 7NEWS.

Yep P & G.

Wonder what the suppression is about ???

<modsnip>

Makes me curious


A Celerywood tree. Pop it in the search bar and you'll find discussion about it.

Correct.
 
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  • #913
The FA theory is the one that has been given the most attention in recent months. TV etc.

The car which interested me the most, in relation to FA, is the car which belonged to DP. An old blue car in need of a respray. It was supposedly caught on traffic cameras at around 3pm on the day WT went missing. DP said he was not driving the car that day - it was suggested that FA was driving this car.

It would tie in with the timeframe for RP completing his dialysis treatment - but this is just a suggestion.

For the life of me, I have searched for the news source for this - I cannot find it. It would have been the inquest. All IMO at the moment.

Found the original post on Websleuths thread #57 page 18
 

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  • #914
The Daily Telegraph
Tuesday 30th November 2021 - 4.30pm

Replica pistol found in William Tyrrell search
Police searching for William Tyrrell have found a replica pistol and honed in on a muddy culvert as they continue excavating remote bushland for the missing toddler.
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No Cookies | Daily Telegraph
 
  • #915
There is no supporting evidence for the 2 cars parked on Beneroon drive that day.

At least DP's car is captured on traffic cameras - but no one has admitted to driving it that day. FA allegedly drove DP's cars - without a license.

DP's testimony places FA, his neighbour, in Kendall on the morning of WT disappearance. This contradicts FA testimony that he was with RP.

A theory IMO - but a possibility that this car was used to move WT.
 
  • #916
Initially, when it was disclosed that WT was in foster care, my suspicion was that the bio parents had taken William, although when I read about the bio parents, especially the bio father, I wondered about the wherewithal to organize such an event especially given that it was 4 hours away from Sydney and that the time of leaving for the trip was apparently a spur of the moment thing.

The only way I could accept the abduction theory is that WT would have had to have wandered (probably run) down towards the busy end of Benaroon Drive and been spotted and abducted opportunistically by a passing person.

If I were to accept the words of the FM about the time between seen and missing, and that WT isn't a wanderer, then most likely he would not have had the time or inclination to get that far down the road.

There's no way I can accept that an abductor would be sitting outside the house just waiting for WT to randomly come into grabbing reach.
What if a known pedophile, was desperate for a job, working on FGMs deck? And maybe they had access to a car that morning, and they drove by to see if the deck was already being worked on or not, and maybe hoping to see the homeowner, to ask further about the job?

What if that person happened to pull up just in time to see Lil Spiderman running and laughing, going down the road?
 
  • #917
Jubelin explained that he made the recordings to protect his lawful interests in case Mr Savage harmed himself or made any allegations against Jubelin in the future. Magistrate Hudson stated that the strategy of pursuing Mr Savage was approved by Jubelin's superiors, but the illegal recording was not.

And the appeals court judge agreed:

On Friday, judge Antony Townsden dismissed Jubelin’s appeal at Parramatta district court.

“In a democratic society, those placed in a position of authority have an obligation to exercise their power lawfully,” the judge told the court. “This, the appellant failed to do.”

The judge also said the offender, despite showing prior good character, had shown “no remorse” and maintained his innocence throughout the proceeding.

“I do not accept ... that [Jubelin] recorded the conversations to protect his lawful interests,” he said.

Gary Jubelin: former detective loses appeal over illegal recordings in William Tyrrell case
 
  • #918
IMO the bio's have mouth pieces: These two journos , CO & Candice Sutton & lets not forget AS, just to name a few.
BM was (eventually) validated in the national press (four years later). However--also true--her positive coverage paled in comparison to the foster's, even though her potential complicity--based on evidence--required far less scrutiny unlike that of the foster's.

Caroline Overington wasn't any more a mouthpiece for the bios than the fosters (she is hardly critical of the fosters, especially compared to these threads). She was one of the few objective figures in this whole mess. That makes her someone that told the story of people--including Bill Spedding--who had alibis and lacked access to resources and physical addresses of their "perceived targets" (if one was looking at the bios as suspects).

Something that Lia Harris failed to do in her initial portrayal of them. Harris actively marginalised the bios by excluding them as a mourning party one year after WT's disappearance. In the Little Boy Lost podcast, she literally rated the city of Kendall's relationship to WT as more significant than the bio's. How do we know this? In all of her three parts, one is mentioned, and the other is 100% absent in her coverage. This was the very first podcast Harris did and she completely left out the bios, as if they were an afterthought in all of this. Were the fosters ever an afterthought?

In Harris' Where's William Tyrrell?, she picked and chose out of what was allowed to be covered, yet how much time she would devote to those things in her podcast was absolutely 100% her choice. That included illegal recordings of a senile recent widower talking to himself in an incriminating, intimate way about personal demons which had nothing to do with WT (and therefore NONE of our business), but, instead, was paraded around for all of Harris' listeners to hear. How embarrassing for him. I've worked with dementia patients in the past, and I shudder to think what could possibly happen if a member of LE took advantage of someone so vulnerable in the pursuit of a (misguided) agenda, regardless of how "horrible" that person is. JMO.

Harris didn't apply such attention to the multiple levels of incredulity of FFC's twin cars, this "paedophile ring" which required a neighbour to call someone up the night the fosters arrived, or the conspicuous absence of the riding school (all publicly known by the time her podcast went into production). She accepted all of that at face value and, as a journalist, failed to question these things which created whitewashed coverage beyond what anyone else received connected to this case.

This was extra service provided to favour narratives the fosters wanted to push to deflect inconsistencies related to them. There were no inconsistencies to the bios. They had alibis and had to watch most of this on TV like the rest of us, unlike the fosters who had an inside connection with Gary Jubelin.

Candace Sutton has 1,000 Twitter followers. That doesn't compare to weekly national news show 60 Minutes and Chris Smith as your advocates.

The bios DID NOT have the same level of access to media that the fosters did, and they didn't even have anything to hide.
 
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  • #919
Words NEVER lie.

IMHO.
FM said those words, but that doesn't mean that we have to expand further and assume things like 'she put him on the balcony rail to scare him further.'

Maybe those words she said were true and could be taken at face value. She put him in the lower branches of the tree for fun. My husband did that with our kids many times. Kids climbing trees is kind of a natural thing, in my opinion. I guess my old age is showing though.

The same with the roaring. My little grand baby makes animal sounds almost as much as words some days. She carries on conversation with their dogs and cats by meowing and barking and she is convinced they are having a mutual conversation. And they probably are.

I don't see anything nefarious in playing Daddy Tiger or climbing trees. I am a strong advocate of Statement Analysis so I understand how important her words are. I just don't see these as major red flags.

I could be wrong. Maybe she fooled me like she fooled everyone. I am open to that possibility. In my heart I don't feel that way, but who knows?
 
  • #920
What if a known pedophile, was desperate for a job, working on FGMs deck? And maybe they had access to a car that morning, and they drove by to see if the deck was already being worked on or not, and maybe hoping to see the homeowner, to ask further about the job?

What if that person happened to pull up just in time to see Lil Spiderman running and laughing, going down the road?

To this list of what-ifs I would add:

"What if Gary Jubelin had've put sufficient credence in that possibility that he then zoomed in on and hounded/surveilled that known pedo instead of BS and PS?"
 
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