Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[JLZ]

I’ve also been of the opinion that this drive occurred prior to FMFC return. . along with previously suggested reasons, I feel in my case, I would’ve said to him, since he was already in the car ‘ well I’ve done a check around here, but how about you go for a drive in case he’s gone down the road & I’ll keep looking around here’ .

The way I see it, he was out of the car and running before she had time to put that many words together.

 

[Couldbe]

Have investigators ever said that Foster mother's pink shirt was missing? How do we know it wasn't right there in the bedroom with her other clothes the next morning?

Having discovered that pink fabric which appears to resemble the top worn by FFC at Maccas would no doubt lead LE to extrapolate from that and endeavour to trace back (as we are) to whether that pink top appeared again from the wash or elsewhere at all.......likewise the black fabric which could possibly in close in resemblance to FFC's black pants that she was seen wearing at Macca's. Hard to doubt this relevance. If positive connections of these fabrics could be established, then why were they disposed of?

 

[SLouTh]

Have investigators ever said that Foster mother's pink shirt was missing? How do we know it wasn't right there in the bedroom with her other clothes the next morning?

No, it was a hypothetical question given the media focus and the similarity ......

 

[Awakening]

Another thing that is odd about that, is that with all of the cars mentioned over the years, and all of the "goings on" in Benaroon Drive that morning, there has been no mention of the FGM Grey Mazda in the street..... no one saw it?? no one heard it??

Edit to add: no one seems to have reported the BMW (arriving home) in the street that morning either.....

All imo

I've wondered if the car the Crabbs heard at 10.05 was actually FM in FGM's car.

 

[Awakening]

She may have mentioned it and we just don't know about it.

Now that they have thoroughly searched the area that she drove to, and his body was not found, does that seem less likely that she was up to no good on that drive?

It doesn't make me less suspicious but it doesn't make me more suspicious. Because I think after so long, and with WT being so little, and the environment and weather, it would make it extremely difficult to find anything now.

And I don't know if she was getting rid of a body, throwing away evidence or a distressed mum looking for her little boy.

If in time it turns out she did tell people about the drive on the day, then that would lessen my suspicions. But thats JMO, it may not arouse suspicion in you. Just like the washing on the line doesn't make me suspicious, neither does the 000 call. But the drive, yes.

 

[SLouTh]

I actually don't think anyone can say what they would do in their situation, unless you've been there. Stressed, traumatised and in panic mode - nobody knows what they would do.

This statement is so true!! We all have perceptions on how we would, or may act, in a given scenario..... But when that "event" happens in real life, we often react in a totally different way.... there is no predictor for that.... especially when you add stress, and panic etc ....
IMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

It doesn't make me less suspicious but it doesn't make me more suspicious. Because I think after so long, and with WT being so little, and the environment and weather, it would make it extremely difficult to find anything now.

And I don't know if she was getting rid of a body, throwing away evidence or a distressed mum looking for her little boy.

If in time it turns out she did tell people about the drive on the day, then that would lessen my suspicions. But thats JMO, it may not arouse suspicion in you. Just like the washing on the line doesn't make me suspicious, neither does the 000 call. But the drive, yes.

Well, if my child was missing the first thing I would do would be to go looking. Both on foot and in my car. As a mother and grandmother, it would be horrifying, but hoping to find him or her .

If I wasn’t successful in finding them, then I would call the police.

 

[Warshawski]

Everyone has been through bad times, sad times or good times in their lives.

I personally have found doing some handwashing and other household jobs has been calming and very therapeutic to me.

In times when I lost someone or someone wasn't well or some other stressful thing happened, doing small things like that was something I could control while everything seemed out of my control.

I found it very calming and it helped stop my mind from wandering and thinking the worst.

I’m sorry you experienced those challenging times Tootsie & happy to hear that you found those things helped you cope. It’s important to have such mechanisms available.

 

[katydid23]

Having discovered that pink fabric which appears to resemble the top worn by FFC at Maccas would no doubt lead LE to extrapolate from that and endeavour to trace back (as we are) to whether that pink top appeared again from the wash or elsewhere at all.......likewise the black fabric which could possibly in close in resemblance to FFC's black pants that she was seen wearing at Macca's. Hard to doubt this relevance. If positive connections of these fabrics could be established, then why were they disposed of?

The only reason I can imagine that she would have to go bury her shirt would be if it was bloody. That shirt did not look to be stained with blood. JMO

And she didn't have that much time on that little quick car ride. If that was her shirt and pants, then the body and weapon would probably be there as well. No sign of any of that though.

I don't think this is going to turn out to be that top at all. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Having discovered that pink fabric which appears to resemble the top worn by FFC at Maccas would no doubt lead LE to extrapolate from that and endeavour to trace back (as we are) to whether that pink top appeared again from the wash or elsewhere at all.......likewise the black fabric which could possibly in close in resemblance to FFC's black pants that she was seen wearing at Macca's. Hard to doubt this relevance. If positive connections of these fabrics could be established, then why were they disposed of?

I don't think she would have disposed of them in that way unless they had blood all over them. But I don't see any blood stains on that pink material. It looks pretty clean. JMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks, I wasn't aiming at any sympathy for myself

I haven't had a terribly traumatic life compared to some people.

I can't say I've had anything terribly challenging happen to me, well not so far.

I’m sorry you experienced those challenging times Tootsie & happy to hear that you found those things helped you cope. It’s important to have such mechanisms available.

 

[Couldbe]

I don't think she would have disposed of them in that way unless they had blood all over them. But I don't see any blood stains on that pink material. It looks pretty clean. JMO

Katy, we will probably find out in time via what the Experts reveal. The piece of pink fabric found by the searchers was only part of a garment....maybe a sleeve, so there would have been more...have to wonder what happened to the balance of it.

 

[Blues Clues]

Just having a closer look at the red fabric and the pink top. Every media report on the piece of fabric found on Dec 6th has described it as red. When you compare the colours in these pictures one is clearly red and the other is definitely pink and they are of similiar depth or tone. Red fades to light red and pink fades to light pink. Pink doesn't fade to red imo I really don't see how they could be the same piece of clothing.

 

[SouthAussie]

It doesn't make me less suspicious but it doesn't make me more suspicious. Because I think after so long, and with WT being so little, and the environment and weather, it would make it extremely difficult to find anything now.

And I don't know if she was getting rid of a body, throwing away evidence or a distressed mum looking for her little boy.

If in time it turns out she did tell people about the drive on the day, then that would lessen my suspicions. But thats JMO, it may not arouse suspicion in you. Just like the washing on the line doesn't make me suspicious, neither does the 000 call. But the drive, yes.

I don't know that it would make that much difference exactly when the police learned that FM drove down Batar Creek Road a little ways. Day One, Day Six.
The reason they do walkthroughs is to jog people's memories about exactly what they did/saw/heard, and when.

I think the thing that matters is ... was that area searched? Was FGM's car forensically examined? To rule that in, or rule that out.

I tend to think that perhaps neither were forensically searched before, or at least not indicated as searched on the police search maps, so the Coroner ordered the searches.

Here is an initial police search map, in case you haven't seen it before.




(I'm not sure what the link was, but it will be back in the threads. You can see it is the Strike Force Rosann initial search map, and many here will remember it.)

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

Have investigators ever said that Foster mother's pink shirt was missing? How do we know it wasn't right there in the bedroom with her other clothes the next morning?

I haven’t seen anything to suggest they searched washing or clothes from the previous day, but it would be interesting to know. Hence why I’m interested if the finds on the last search. It may of been nothing, and if so they disregard it and move on to other avenues

 

[Warshawski]

Edit: Sorry SLouth I've just seen your above posts

Sorry can I just ask about the timeline in your post re MFC leaving at 9.30am? Wasn't his car recorded on the tennis club CCTV to have passed just before 9.00am? In his testimony at the inquest he stated he left FGM's house about 9.00am.

"Beacroft said the foster father, who previously told the inquest he was out of town for work between 9am and 10.30am"

Doubt over William Tyrrell foster mother's claim two cars seen in street | New South Wales | The Guardian

Apparently the 9.30 am leaving time was verified by his phone :
William Tyrrell: Inside 96 minutes which could hold answer what REALLY happened to missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

But I agree there’s also the contradiction with the snap from the CCTV at the Tennis Court.

I’m just going to say IMO on all this as I don’t have the energy to find (again) substantiating Links that have been seen by many here, so :

* FMFC said he left # 48 at 9.00 am
* my google search tells me it’s 4 min drive from there to Tennis Courts
* the time on Tennis Court cctv was said to be 9 mins slow
* FMFC vehicle was ‘snapped’ by that cctv just before 9.00 am

So for me, this brought a whole new set of questions ..

 

[SLouTh]

From that first article:

* William's foster mother made cups of tea before snapping the now iconic photo of the three-year-old boy sitting on the deck dressed as Spider-Man at 9.37am.

Have you seen that anywhere else: that FFC made tea before taking the photographs?

I literally just stumbled over this article - Different authors for each of the articles.....

• William's foster mother made cups of tea before snapping the now iconic photo of the three-year-old boy sitting on the deck dressed as Spider-Man at 9.37am.

William Tyrrell inquest: search began with hope he would be found | Illawarra Mercury | Wollongong, NSW

More questions .... than answers IMO

 

[Serenanicole]

I literally just stumbled over this article - Different authors for each of the articles.....

• William's foster mother made cups of tea before snapping the now iconic photo of the three-year-old boy sitting on the deck dressed as Spider-Man at 9.37am.

William Tyrrell inquest: search began with hope he would be found | Illawarra Mercury | Wollongong, NSW

More questions .... than answers IMO

I think the man in the truck who saw her may have come forward finally. That could be why this detail is relatively recent and considered suspicious. IMO.

 

[Mauig’ma]

I literally just stumbled over this article - Different authors for each of the articles.....

• William's foster mother made cups of tea before snapping the now iconic photo of the three-year-old boy sitting on the deck dressed as Spider-Man at 9.37am.

William Tyrrell inquest: search began with hope he would be found | Illawarra Mercury | Wollongong, NSW

More questions .... than answers IMO

It’s relevant because the cup of tea was still warm after William went missing. How could that be? My cuppa gets cold after a little bit. Not hours later. Moo Edit to add hers was still warm. Did she refill it after William went missing? Idk maybe

 

[SouthAussie]

From that first article:

* William's foster mother made cups of tea before snapping the now iconic photo of the three-year-old boy sitting on the deck dressed as Spider-Man at 9.37am.

Have you seen that anywhere else: that FFC made tea before taking the photographs?

drsleuth's timeline says the tea was made after the photos.
The timeline was constructed from inquest notes and CO's book ... both things likely more reliable than some MSM articles.


10:00 -10:30ish :

FGM put kettle on ( after being outside with the kids riding the bikes ) ( from CO book )

Kids had now moved to the back deck , after teas made both FFC & FGM sat outside on deck.

Lindsay emptied the pencil container, & a dice rolled out, played dice game where Lindsay would jump the amount of times that the dice landed on.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52