Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[JBowie]

Legally their identity might be 'completely' protected but in reality it's common knowledge and easy to find out through legal means. I'd suggest that many members of WS know their names.

Doesn't matter. Anyone publishing their names risks being hauled before the judge who imposed the suppression order(s).

This puts me in mind of the famous Costigan Royal Commission into activities of the Painters and Dockers Union.

One witness was given the code name of Squirrel by the RC but Goanna by the media.

After a while, graffiti could be found in prominent places in Sydney saying "Goanna is Kerry Packer".

At that point KP had to out himself and publicly deny the related allegations about him.

 

[JBowie]

Every major publication in the country is running the story.

Yep definately probably chinese whispers.

To be clear, the 'Chinese Whispers' aspect discussed here relates to the claim and counter claim by journalists that her appearance at the CC, and subsequent charges of lying to it, relate to the WT case.

AFAIK, no police spokesperson has published any comment or statement in relation to that aspect.

 

[SouthAussie]

Doesn't matter. Anyone publishing their names risks being hauled before the judge who imposed the suppression order(s).

This puts me in mind of the famous Costigan Royal Commission into activities of the Painters and Dockers Union.

One witness was given the code name of Squirrel by the RC but Goanna by the media.

After a while, graffiti could be found in prominent places in Sydney saying "Goanna is Kerry Packer".

At that point KP had to out himself and publicly deny the related allegations about him.

In the Daniel Morcombe inquest, the police gave all the POIs a number (P1, P2 ... P32, P33). None were named.

Daniel James MORCOMBE

It probably happens more than we realise ... suppression of people's names.

 

[k-mac]

To be clear, the 'Chinese Whispers' aspect discussed here relates to the claim and counter claim by journalists that her appearance at the CC, and subsequent charges of lying to it, relate to the WT case.

AFAIK, no police spokesperson has published any comment or statement in relation to that aspect.

Does it somehow lesson the seriousness of the situation depending on what it pertains to??
lying is lying. The reasons for lying to LE are always nafarious.


Odds are good and likely it pertains to William..IMO
I'd guess at the car ride in grandmas car she failed to mention.

 

[JBowie]

In the Daniel Morcombe inquest, the police gave all the POIs a number (P1, P2 ... P32, P33). None were named.

Daniel James MORCOMBE

It probably happens more than we realise ... suppression of people's names.

Oh, suppression is almost the name of the game these days in Oz. IMO there is far too much of it, and I'm not alone in that opinion.

The storm around suppression orders - Law Society Journal

IMO, the longer any suppression orders pertain -- that is the longer associated proceedings are dragged on -- the more likely it is that the public will eventually 'do a Goanna'. And these days, with so much social media, it's almost guaranteed.

 

[JBowie]

Odds are good and likely it pertains to William..IMO

The fact that Rosann detectives served her with the charges makes me suspect that it is WT-related. I don't see them being used as mere summons servers in this instance.

I'd guess at the car ride in grandmas car she failed to mention.

As I understand it, she didn't fail to mention that trip, although she told police about it later than one would have expected -- in a walkthrough 6 days later, IIRC.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

TBH I think LE will look a bit silly regardless of what happens - if the FFP's are finally charged and found guilty of the crime LE should have caught them sooner, if not guilty it's more people that LE harassed added to the pile.

Exactly right, Jubelin and his team should’ve done more thorough investigations and caught those responsible sooner. It was a big old mess imo. If the current POI’s are to blame they’ll look rather silly.

 

[asyousay]

The fact that Rosann detectives served her with the charges makes me suspect that it is WT-related. I don't see them being used as mere summons servers in this instance.



As I understand it, she didn't fail to mention that trip, although she told police about it later than one would have expected -- in a walkthrough 6 days later, IIRC.

6 days later is a massive time lapse in memory.

 

[JBowie]

Exactly right, Jubelin and his team should’ve done more thorough investigations and caught those responsible sooner. It was a big old mess imo. If the current POI’s are to blame they’ll look rather silly.

In Jubelin's defence, Hans Rupp was in charge of the Tyrrell case when it could be argued that the wrong focus was put on numerous things and opportunities were lost.

 

[SouthAussie]

6 days later is a massive time lapse in memory.

We don't know that it was 6 days. All we know is that we have only heard it from the walkthrough on Day 6.

It doesn't mean that everything she said on Day 6 in the walkthrough was brand new information to the police.

imo

 

[Underbelly]

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Didn't someone allegedly spot her throwing something from the car on that trip or is that more misinformation?

 

[JBowie]

We don't know that it was 6 days. All we know is that we have only heard it from the walkthrough on Day 6.

It doesn't mean that everything she said on Day 6 in the walkthrough was brand new information to the police.

imo

I believe the claim (by whoever) is that she did not mention the car trip in her initial statement to police, a few days after WT went missing. I don't know if she was questioned about this apparent discrepancy during the inquest.

 

[JBowie]

Didn't someone allegedly spot her throwing something from the car on that trip or is that more misinformation?

A NSW Police source said officers believe an object may have been thrown from the vehicle as it was driven along Batar Road at Kendall. That area is the middle of a massive forensic police search.

Daily Mail Australia has also learned the alleged unspecified object is part of the focus of forensic search currently underway for traces of William, about 700m from his foster grandmother's home.

The foster mother allegedly made the drive in her mother's car before her husband had returned to the house to join the search for William.

William Tyrrell car seized by cops was 'driven by his foster mother the morning he vanished' | Daily Mail Online

I don't know (or I have forgotten) if it's been revealed by police what made them believe that an object may have been thrown from the vehicle.

 

[JBowie]

(duplicate)

 

[seekingjustice**]

I believe the claim (by whoever) is that she did not mention the car trip in her initial statement to police, a few days after WT went missing. I don't know if she was questioned about this apparent discrepancy during the inquest.

If that claim is true, then it's a pretty significant detail to leave out of the initial statement. I'm not sure if my memory serves me right here, but didn't she also forget to mention in the initial statement, the two suspicious cars that she noticed parked outside?

 

[Serenanicole]

My guess is that it is the time the photo was taken.


QUOTE="k-mac, post: 17531080, member: 176373"]Does it somehow lesson the seriousness of the situation depending on what it pertains to??
lying is lying. The reasons for lying to LE are always nafarious.


Odds are good and likely it pertains to William..IMO
I'd guess at the car ride in grandmas car she failed to mention.[/QUOTE]

 

[Inplainsight]

My guess is that it is the time the photo was taken.


QUOTE="k-mac, post: 17531080, member: 176373"]Does it somehow lesson the seriousness of the situation depending on what it pertains to??
lying is lying. The reasons for lying to LE are always nafarious.


Odds are good and likely it pertains to William..IMO
I'd guess at the car ride in grandmas car she failed to mention.

[/QUOTE]

My thoughts went to the time of the photo too.

I wonder if new technology has been used to re-examine cell phone location data. Maybe this data contradicts the statements of the foster carers?

 

[SouthAussie]

A NSW Police source said officers believe an object may have been thrown from the vehicle as it was driven along Batar Road at Kendall. That area is the middle of a massive forensic police search.

Daily Mail Australia has also learned the alleged unspecified object is part of the focus of forensic search currently underway for traces of William, about 700m from his foster grandmother's home.

The foster mother allegedly made the drive in her mother's car before her husband had returned to the house to join the search for William.

William Tyrrell car seized by cops was 'driven by his foster mother the morning he vanished' | Daily Mail Online

I don't know (or I have forgotten) if it's been revealed by police what made them believe that an object may have been thrown from the vehicle.

The police have always been on the lookout for an object thrown from a car. We have never known exactly why.


September 19, 2014
They have been told to look for anything that could be discarded from a car such as rubbish or William's clothing.
Police stop drivers in Kendall as search for William Tyrell, 3, turns up nothing


Maybe a profiler told them to do this.
Maybe someone saw something being thrown from a vehicle.
Maybe it is in the Procedures for Police Searches manual ... 'look for objects/evidence that may have been thrown'.
.

 

[insanity]

If it were me in that position, and I was not guilty of anything, then I'd want to go public and give interviews openly to state my case, and to complain openly of police harassment if I felt that is what was occurring to me. But that's me. I am not the FPs. They may think otherwise.

Which, ironically, is what Bill Spedding did...

 

[centred]

If that claim is true, then it's a pretty significant detail to leave out of the initial statement. I'm not sure if my memory serves me right here, but didn't she also forget to mention in the initial statement, the two suspicious cars that she noticed parked outside?

Yes and the other car that apparently did a U turn driven by "a creepy look at her and the kids " , The amount of time since he disappeared re 000 call was "only" 20 mins . All the minor detailed word salads and still no proof of the 2 cars parked in the street . IMO if i was a detective (and I am not ) I would be remiss if I wasn't some what suspicious .
Also IMO the word salads all through this case did not do any of them any favors.