Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[FromGermany1]

So to clarify, the theory is that Foster mother and Foster grandmother decided to give their 3 yr old child to a pedophile, so they didn't have to care for him anymore?

That is hard for me to believe.

Yes, hard to believe. I won't say my accompanying thoughts to it, because I want to stay here on the thread and follow all your ideas with interest. I'm open minded for better theories than mine all the time. The accident-theory as well as the murder-theory seem to me so far away though.

 

[SouthAussie]

EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's foster dad faces possible two years in jail if found guilty of lying in secret crime commission hearing - as his VERY glamorous lawyer insists on lengthy trial
William Tyrrell's foster dad faces prison if guilty - as glamorous lawyer demands lengthy trial | Daily Mail Online

The 55-year-old has engaged lawyer Carly Hydes, ranked among the top rising stars in NSW criminal law two years ago, who has insisted on a full two-day hearing to defend him.

The couple has been described by friend, 2GB radio broadcaster Chris Smith, as 'professional people from a comfortable part of Sydney'.

And there you go, the DM finally admits a couple of things.


"The details of what exactly is the evidence provided to the NSWCC by the foster father or the nature of the hearing at which he was required to testify have not been publicly disclosed."

"Working closely with the NSW Police Force, the NSWCC works to combat drug trafficking, organised crime, tax evasion, and terrorism related offences."


Interesting that they decided to run photos and info about FD's lawyer, after we were speaking about her on this public thread.

(Someone commented on another thread how the DM is the picture book of MSM. Perfect description. imo)

 

[Freddo Frog]

You make a really valid point about how we may have been conditioned.
I think in earlier days I thought it was a very possible scenario that he was opportunistically taken, what with some of the history that belied some of the POIs in the past.
I would find it implausible that he was murdered by the FM, given away by the FM, that he fell and she hastily picked him up and hid his body.
I find if anything like that did happen implausible that the man she shares her life with would have no knowledge.
I find it implausible that in the time the FF left and returned for a video conference that this all happened- completely and utterly astonishing.
All my own opinion.

I agree with you.

I think that considering the FGM is now deceased it's somehow easier for [general public] people to try and pin the blame on a woman who is unable to defend herself, too.

 

[Eloise]

I agree with you.

I think that considering the FGM is now deceased it's somehow easier for [general public] people to try and pin the blame on a woman who is unable to defend herself, too.

I totally agree with this

We have been conditioned to the idea that William was abducted by a pedophile that brazenly walked on that property and took him for over 7 years. It takes a while for some to get their head around this new information and direction of the investigation.

My own personal opinion is that trying to make sense of an opportunistic abduction was next to impossible. However, this new information is sounding more logical to me.

Just to throw in also, the information that has become public during the inquest that GJ was aware of but continued to publically pursue other persons makes me angry. As a NSW citizen, I feel duped.

All just my opinion.

I mean I also find it hard to believe that the foster mother/grandmother could have been responsible for the death of WT and his burial in that relatively short space of time they had to do it in, it just boggles my mind tbh

idk, stranger things have happened I guess, but I'm not even particularly enamored with the foster family and I still can't wrap my head around it as being logical or possible. Most parental figures who are reponsible for children's deaths give themselves a LOT more time before they report the child missing IMO JMO.

 

[Estelle]

I totally agree with this

I mean I also find it hard to believe that the foster mother/grandmother could have been responsible for the death of WT and his burial in that relatively short space of time they had to do it in, it just boggles my mind tbh

idk, stranger things have happened I guess, but I'm not even particularly enamored with the foster family and I still can't wrap my head around it as being logical or possible. Most parental figures who are reponsible for children's deaths give themselves a LOT more time before they report the child missing IMO JMO.

IMO that is why there is something wrong with the timeline. IMO the photos of WT in his Spiderman suit were taken at the original time of 7.30ish (or even on a previous visit to FGM's house after they returned from Bali). <modsnip: No link to information stated as fact>

 

[Blues Clues]

IMO that is why there is something wrong with the timeline. IMO the photos of WT in his Spiderman suit were taken at the original time of 7.30ish (or even on a previous visit to FGM's house after they returned from Bali). <modsnip: No link to information stated as fact>

Is that earlier photo theory still plausible when taking into account neighbours JW and PS both said in their statements they heard little children playing? JW left home approx 9am and PS arrived home from his walk approx 8.50am. MFC left for Lakewood approx 8.55am. They heard children... as in plural.

 

[JLZ]

IMO that is why there is something wrong with the timeline. IMO the photos of WT in his Spiderman suit were taken at the original time of 7.30ish (or even on a previous visit to FGM's house after they returned from Bali). <modsnip: No link to information stated as fact>

Say the photograph was the previous weekend: would you be open to the suggestion that William's sister was tricked as to William being present that morning at all? In this far-fetched scenario, William was handed over to somebody at the post-McDonald's stop the night before, and sister was asleep. If sister couldn't be convinced that she had seen and heard William--apart from the laugh which they all agreed to hearing first thing--then the plan was to say that he had gone with MFC and the disappearance was to be staged from Lakewood.

 

[Estelle]

Is that earlier photo theory still plausible when taking into account neighbours JW amd PS both said in their statements they heard little children playing? JW left home approx 9am and PS arrived home from his walk approx 8.50am. MFC left for Lakewood approx 8.55am. They heard children... as in plural.

Even so, these times are before 9am which would have given her more time to do whatever she had to do if WT had an accident.

 

[Estelle]

Say the photograph was the previous weekend: would you be open to the suggestion that William's sister was tricked as to William being present that morning at all? In this far-fetched scenario, William was handed over to somebody at the post-McDonald's stop the night before, and sister was asleep. If sister couldn't be convinced that she had seen and heard William--apart from the laugh which they all agreed to hearing first thing--then the plan was to say that he had gone with MFC and the disappearance was to be staged from Lakewood.

I don't think WT was handed over to anybody. Who would he be handed over to?

If the plan was to say he had gone to Lakewood with MFC, why didn't that occur?

 

[bearbear]

Is that earlier photo theory still plausible when taking into account neighbours JW and PS both said in their statements they heard little children playing? JW left home approx 9am and PS arrived home from his walk approx 8.50am. MFC left for Lakewood approx 8.55am. They heard children... as in plural.

could it have been any children in the neighbourhood though, sound really carries in country neighbourhoods?

 

[Limaes]

IMO that is why there is something wrong with the timeline. IMO the photos of WT in his Spiderman suit were taken at the original time of 7.30ish (or even on a previous visit to FGM's house after they returned from Bali). <modsnip: No link to information stated as fact>

In my opinion the timeline we have been led to believe repeatedly is incorrect.

There was an early photograph in the media of the FFCs with a female officer on the high verandah. FFGM was wearing the same clothes she was wearing in those Spiderman photos so I do think they were taken on the 14th and William made it to Kendall.

Also, in my opinion, the FFC is every bit a viable person of interest than anyone else and totally understand the new direction the case has gone.

 

[bearbear]

it seems the only people to say they actually saw william that morning were the foster family?

 

[JLZ]

I don't think WT was handed over to anybody. Who would he be handed over to?

If the plan was to say he had gone to Lakewood with MFC, why didn't that occur?

Lakewood was riskier. But there would have to have been a plan for FFC to communicate with MFC to say we're switching to Plan B. It wouldn't have done for MFC to drive back to Kendall and announce there that he'd lost the child. He needed to call police from the place of the last sighting.

I think I agree with you about the implausibility of handing over. If I say to the bios, it's turning into one of those theories where everyone in sight is in on the conspiracy.

 

[bearbear]

if we go with the handed over scenario, there is a small airport nearby, easy to bundle a little 'asleep' boy into a large carry on bag

 

[Couldbe]

In his walkthrough video FMFC describes where he had searched on the day of William’s disappearance (He said he searched for 90 minutes).

JMO, but I am posing the question: why did he not go and search down Batar Creek Rd? Did he already know on that first day, that FFFC had driven down there?

Video: Foster father describes moments before William's disappearance | Daily Mail Online

 

[SouthAussie]

could it have been any children in the neighbourhood though, sound really carries in country neighbourhoods?

I think that people who live on the street know where the noises they hear come from ... which direction, how near they are by how loud they are ... we get accustomed to noises in our neighbourhoods. We notice when they are different.

Even the Crabbs could tell when a car came up the road, they could tell that it turned around and went back down the road. And they didn't actually see it. Specific noises coming from a specific area.

I can tell when children's noises are 2 houses away, and when they are further away, at my place. I would think we all likely can tell ... or at least most of us can.

imo

 

[Blues Clues]

could it have been any children in the neighbourhood though, sound really carries in country neighbourhoods?

Unless there were other children visiting in the estate, which has never been mentioned afaik, it seems normally there aren't other little children at that time of day other than Lydene Heslop's youngest child. The Heslop's live at the beginning of the street. FGM's house is at the other end of the street.

“That’s pretty good luck. Especially at 10.30am on a Friday when there should only be one kid on the street, which is mine.”

Toddler William Tyrrell’s disappearance still haunts Kendall residents almost a year later | Daily Telegraph

 

[JLZ]

Unless there were other children visiting in the estate, which has never been mentioned afaik, it seems normally there aren't other little children at that time of day other than Lydene Heslop's youngest child. The Heslop's live at the beginning of the street. FGM's house is at the other end of the street.

“That’s pretty good luck. Especially at 10.30am on a Friday when there should only be one kid on the street, which is mine.”

Toddler William Tyrrell’s disappearance still haunts Kendall residents almost a year later | Daily Telegraph

I think LH had other children though who would have been at school at 10:30. At least she was pictured with several. I wondered if the Wilsons heard children before school time at the bus stop. It's the opposite direction from FGM's but they are older people and perhaps their hearing directionality is not the best. When I was going deaf, directionality was one of the first problems; I didn't notice it though until an embarrassing incident at work.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think LH had other children though who would have been at school at 10:30. At least she was pictured with several. I wondered if the Wilsons heard children before school time at the bus stop. It's the opposite direction from FGM's but they are older people and perhaps their hearing directionality is not the best. When I was going deaf, directionality was one of the first problems; I didn't notice it though until an embarrassing incident at work.

I think that would require both JW and PS to be directionally challenged. As well as both of them being unable to tell the distance between them and the sounds of the children.

When there are two independent witnesses, it seems to make it more probable that they heard William and his sister playing. imo

 

[Sillybilly]

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