Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #69

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The foster father is accused of one count of stalking and intimidation intending fear of physical harm against a child.
The foster mother faces two of those same charges against that child.”
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Outrageous, IMO!
As if the little girl hadn't endured enough already during her 11 (or so) years of life!
FACS can be proud to have selected the foster parents (almost adoptive parents too) so very carefully. MOO
 
  • #242
EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's foster mum and dad are charged with stalking a CHILD - who they were also accused of assaulting - as police step up pressure on couple

“William Tyrrell's foster parents have been charged with stalking the same child who police allege they assaulted last year, Daily Mail Australia can reveal.

The foster father is accused of one count of stalking and intimidation intending fear of physical harm against a child.

The foster mother faces two of those same charges against that child.”

William Tyrrell's foster parents accused of stalking SAME child they were facing assault charge over | Daily Mail Online

I assumed the alleged stalking had been via social media or phone after the child was removed following the assault charge/AVO. Possibly pleas from the FC’s for the child to retract allegations? That would have breached the AVO though, and there doesn’t appear to be a charge for that. What a mess, that poor child has witnessed and experienced so much, I hope she’s settled and receiving optimal support.


Id have thought so too, but they still are :rolleyes:

Interesting video in that article, I think police are close.

The video of the Detectives? Call me a cynic, but I don’t think the Police are close at all. Unless William is found or someone starts talking, I don’t think they have enough compelling evidence to lay charges or they would have surely done so. If the FC’s are guilty, they have maintained a charade for so long that they are unlikely to buckle under the pressure now IMO.
 
  • #243
There's no doubt about it, all the various different times and sequences of events that have been reported about that morning of 12/9/14, before William "disappeared", are very confusing and frustrating.
That is how it always is, when trying to fit together everyone's individual 'timelines' and fit them into one cohesive one.

No one usually knows 'exactly' what time they came or left, went inside or outside, heard a car, etc, and those few minutes in each person's memory banks will leave gaps. It is frustrating but it is also normal. We have that in every case I have followed.

Same exact thing in Summer Wells timeline, and Cupcake's timeline....every thing is rarely exact.
 
  • #244
I assumed the alleged stalking had been via social media or phone after the child was removed following the assault charge/AVO. Possibly pleas from the FC’s for the child to retract allegations? That would have breached the AVO though, and there doesn’t appear to be a charge for that. What a mess, that poor child has witnessed and experienced so much, I hope she’s settled and receiving optimal support.
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I am not sure that the 'stalking' was about getting her to retract statements.

This was a child they had raised since she was a tiny infant. Suddenly she was removed from their care.

I know I would have probably wanted to go and see the baby I had raised, and see how she was doing---it was a dumb thing to do, but I can see how it might happen.


ETA: I just now saw the portion of the article that said they are accused of threatening her harm. I want to see what that was, if that is correct--it doesn't ring true to me---but if it is, then I will be surprised and think less of them for sure.
 
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i cant believe these people are still being protected with anonymity, they are no longer foster carers and the little girl has a happy new life, she must be frightened by their constant unpredictable harrassment
I am not sure that is exactly what has happened. Its might be but it might not be that way at all. JMO
 
  • #246
I assumed the alleged stalking had been via social media or phone after the child was removed following the assault charge/AVO. Possibly pleas from the FC’s for the child to retract allegations? That would have breached the AVO though, and there doesn’t appear to be a charge for that. What a mess, that poor child has witnessed and experienced so much, I hope she’s settled and receiving optimal support.




The video of the Detectives? Call me a cynic, but I don’t think the Police are close at all. Unless William is found or someone starts talking, I don’t think they have enough compelling evidence to lay charges or they would have surely done so. If the FC’s are guilty, they have maintained a charade for so long that they are unlikely to buckle under the pressure now IMO.

yeah the videos - all of them. I watched it play through several clips of police and related news footage. I believe they have some evidence- and hope are close to having compelling indisputable evidence -locating William. If foster parents are guilty I don’t believe they will ever show accountability, ever
or confess.
Those scenes of police painstakingly sifting through soil, the height of the veranda, the height of the trees in bush, police raking through scrub -breaks my heart. Poor little William
 
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A few of us have been saying for a while, we think LE know what has happened. They’ve got footage recorded by some means and other information gathered from the inquest, and perhaps more since then. I think it’s a matter of building the case so it’s not lose-able in court. They want a rock solid case. IMO
 
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A few of us have been saying for a while, we think LE know what has happened. They’ve got footage recorded by some means and other information gathered from the inquest, and perhaps more since then. I think it’s a matter of building the case so it’s not lose-able in court. They want a rock solid case. IMO
They have footage recorded by some means? What footage do they have?
 
  • #249
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It’s more than 1-2 charges, there’s multiple charges of alleged assault, intimidation and stalking, and an AVO. Even though it’s still “alleged”, how is this situation good for a young girl? Where there’s smoke there’s fire, allegations don’t appear and result in charges out of nothing.
I’m glad this child is out of their care because it’s unsafe for the child both mentally and physically IMO
 
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yeah the videos - all of them. I watched it play through several clips of police and related news footage. I believe they have some evidence- and hope are close to having compelling indisputable evidence -locating William. If foster parents are guilty I don’t believe they will ever show accountability, ever
or confess.
Those scenes of police painstakingly sifting through soil, the height of the veranda, the height of the trees in bush, police raking through scrub -breaks my heart. Poor little William

Each and every search for William has been heartbreaking. Watching people diving for him, and raking for him, and digging for him.

Most of us have steeled ourselves for the fact that William is no longer with us. Whether by accident, by getting lost, or by other means.

The good thing about all of these searches is that if anyone is ever taken to trial for William's disappearance, a defence lawyer will try to raise all kinds of reasonable doubt.
So it is good that the police can say that they have searched here, they have searched there, they have looked at this POI and that POI and this POI ....... because if they hadn't, a defence lawyer will latch onto other possibilities (reasonable doubt).
 
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They have footage recorded by some means? What footage do they have?

They’ve got the walk through footage which would be run against other information such as the subpoenaed podcast, interviews etc, IMO.
 
  • #253
It’s more than 1-2 charges, there’s multiple charges of alleged assault, intimidation and stalking, and an AVO. Even though it’s still “alleged”, how is this situation good for a young girl? Where there’s smoke there’s fire, allegations don’t appear and result in charges out of nothing.
I’m glad this child is out of their care because it’s unsafe for the child both mentally and physically IMO

2 charges for fm stalking intimidation
1 charge for ff stalking intimidation
Hence why l said 1-2.
 
  • #254
They’ve got the walk through footage which would be run against other information such as the subpoenaed podcast, interviews etc, IMO.
Ah okay l get you. I thought you meant there was other footage they have.
 
  • #255
I am not sure that the 'stalking' was about getting her to retract statements.

This was a child they had raised since she was a tiny infant. Suddenly she was removed from their care.

I know I would have probably wanted to go and see the baby I had raised, and see how she was doing---it was a dumb thing to do, but I can see how it might happen.


ETA: I just now saw the portion of the article that said they are accused of threatening her harm. I want to see what that was, if that is correct--it doesn't ring true to me---but if it is, then I will be surprised and think less of them for sure.
but wasnt she initially removed from them because of bruising from an alleged assault?
 
  • #256
RSBM - I think it's possibly a simple thing, her birthday was last month maybe they just wanted to say happy birthday, sent a present, or something else simple like that. IMO

I think that’s very possible. It’s about 6 months since they last saw her. I think we all have to wait until we get all the details of these charges before making judgement.
 
  • #257
I have noticed that as well.

One time one of our dogs got out of our completely fenced yard and we couldn't find him anywhere, and it went on for a day or two before we finally found him safe. The feeling of guilt was unbearable, feeling we had failed at keeping him safe, feeling responsible for his life, etc. Whether there is much that could've been done about such a situation, or whether it is rational or not to be feeling that way, the inner feelings of guilt are unimaginable. I can't imagine the feelings of guilt one would have if they'd been in charge of a child who mysteriously disappeared, and even moreso if the child was not their own child, but tasked with that responsibility on behalf of someone else. To my knowledge I don't believe there has been ever, one mention from the FPs of feeling guilty, or even feeling responsible for this happening under their watch. But yet FM 'kicked herself' for not taking down the plate numbers on the vehicles she saw parked in the street that morning, and FD stated during the same interview that he felt guilty when leaving Kendall. imo.

From the FPs' two-part interview with Lia Harris one year after W's disappearance:

FM: So it, it, it just didn’t make sense to me, that you know, I’m in Kendall, why do I think it’s an issue, because Kendall’s not the city, and I kick myself, I kick myself in terms of why didn’t I note down the, the number plates. But the logic part of me says you know what? In Sydney you’d write down the number plate. In Kendall? There’s no reason to write down a number plate. It is one of the most safest towns in New South Wales.

FD: And all the way home, just a reminder, I mean I felt so guilty about leaving, there wasn’t, I couldn’t find him, just awful.

[part one] - permission has been obtained to post this link
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I don't care about FFC not having written down some number plate as at the time, she didn't know, what could have happened afterwards (if she wasn't involved). BUT stating "the most safest town in NSW", when not even knowing the next street from Benaroon Dr. in Kendall, that do I find strange. Like so many things, she said (in addition to her style of expression).
 
  • #258
I have noticed that the FM almost always speaks in present tense when describing a past event. Truthful people usually describe historical events in the past tense.
This is absolutely right. A long time ago I noticed this and thought it was highly suspicious. It is true that liars often use present tense incorrectly instead of using past tense.
Change in Tense Signals Veracity
 
  • #259
This was a child they had raised since she was a tiny infant. Suddenly she was removed from their care.

I know I would have probably wanted to go and see the baby I had raised, and see how she was doing---it was a dumb thing to do, but I can see how it might happen.

(We are assuming here that the girl in question is WT's sister.)

In CO's book (p55) she says that 'Lindsay' had been in emergency care since she was 3 months old. When the FPs's took in WT, he was 9 months old and LT was 2 years old.

It's been reported that one or both of them allegedly assaulted her resulting in her being removed from their care.

She is now 12 years old, almost a teenager. I guess if she doesn't want to have further contact with the FP's -- for whatever reason -- she'd be quite capable of making that clear and the FP's ought to respect her want, regardless of court orders to that effect.

Whatever the case, I feel very sorry for the girl given the number of times she's been 'reassigned' to carers and having lost her little soul mate, too. I can't imagine what long term effect it will all have on her life.
 
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I am not sure that the 'stalking' was about getting her to retract statements.

This was a child they had raised since she was a tiny infant. Suddenly she was removed from their care.

I know I would have probably wanted to go and see the baby I had raised, and see how she was doing---it was a dumb thing to do, but I can see how it might happen.


ETA: I just now saw the portion of the article that said they are accused of threatening her harm. I want to see what that was, if that is correct--it doesn't ring true to me---but if it is, then I will be surprised and think less of them for sure.

"Threatening harm" is part of the 'stalking and intimidation' description in NSW.

Meaning that the alleged victim felt fearful. Not necessarily meaning someone was saying "I am going to kick your butt".

It has to be proven to be intentional. Which could be why they are pleading not guilty.

Stalking & Intimidation Criminal Lawyers in NSW
 
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