Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #70

[SouthAussie]

I truly do not believe this, especially with the way GJ brought the historical charges against BS, with all the media watching, the same style as HR? In his book, does GJ talk about addressing his team's leak if he didn't invite the media to BS arrest? With the summing up by the judge at his sentencing, Dan Box's summary of info GJ left out about Bowraville and my own observations about how he conducts himself, I do not find GJ to be credible. MOO

I didn't get the impression that the leak was from Jubes' team.
I think that BS' historical case was under the jurisdiction of other officers. Probably the sex crimes squad?
And that is why Jubes had no control over the prosecution (as mentioned by the judge).

 

[JBowie]

IMO, if it had of been immediately known when WT went missing that he was in foster care, then suspicion would more likely have been cast on the Bio's.

I'd say certainly, as far as the public was concerned. (The police investigated the bios early in their investigation.)

 

[interested64]

Or William wandered all the way down the driveway, near the road. Someone randomly drove down that road (maybe even lost, taken the wrong st) drove past him, noticing no one else is around, you turns pulls over and grabs him. Quick.

Or he was picked up and carried up towards the fire trail rd

 

[Inplainsight]

Or he was picked up and carried up towards the fire trail rd

Yes, PS said that his Mitsubishi Pajero could drive up the fire trail.

There is a lot of focus on CCTV - but the fire trail is a big way out of Beneroon Drive. It would suggest someone with local knowledge

 

[nightrider17]

So would the Foster's car also be cable of driving up the fire trail?

 

[Inplainsight]

So would the Foster's car also be cable of driving up the fire trail?

The FF had a new landrover discovery - it is marketed as suitable for all terrains with a ground clearance of just under 30cm. IMO - yes, the car was capable of driving up the fire trail.

 

[nightrider17]

At 9.30am, the foster father leaves his mother-in-law's home, verified by tracking on his phone.

On the day he vanished, William woke early in the same room as his foster father, with his foster mother sleeping in another room of her own mother's home.

William watched videos on his foster father's iPhone before he was dressed in his beloved Spider-Man outfit, but not without a row.
The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William

The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William

So this 9.30 tracking on phone - it questions the timeline if we have all believed due to CCTV that MFC left house just before 9.00 am.

He left in his car - 8.50 CCTV capture

His phone left - 9.30 verified by tracking - in a different direction - how far out of Benaroon drive would it have been to capture this. Does it mean it also went left out of Benaroon drive or could it have gone right and been captured at this time?

 

[nightrider17]

In the audio an emergency operator called Simone takes the call to hear William's mother say: "Hi, my son is missing, he's three and a half".
Her voice shakes throughout the call as she tries to remain calm, saying her family had been looking for him up and down the street for around 20 minutes but had not found him.
Police release audio of triple zero call by William Tyrrell's mother

First timeline put out to public.

000 call - 10.56
looking for 20 minutes - 10.36 (start looking)

MFC - arrives home 10.35
FFC says to MFC he was here 5 minutes ago - 10.30 (as per the MFC walk through video)

missing 5 minutes before starting to look for him - then looking for 20 minutes before calling 000. Originally thought missing at 10.30 ish??

I understand times can be blurry during a stressful event but the original timeline had him only missing for about 25-30 minutes before 000 call.

 

[Wexford]

I didn't get the impression that the leak was from Jubes' team.
I think that BS' historical case was under the jurisdiction of other officers. Probably the sex crimes squad?
And that is why Jubes had no control over the prosecution (as mentioned by the judge).

The leak was there before he took on the case. Shouldn't have been too hard to narrow down.

 

[deugirtni]

The leak was there before he took on the case. Shouldn't have been too hard to narrow down.

Wasn't the leak Spedding was referring to, talking about the press having been notified ahead of time in regard to his arrest at his home on the historical charges? I believe it was April 2015 when this happened, and Jubelin was on the W case from January 2015.

Bill Spedding, 'person of interest' in William Tyrrell case, seeks bail over historical sex abuse charges

Defence lawyer tells court his client’s alleged victims lived in the same home as a convicted paedophile about the time offences are said to have occurred

www.theguardian.com

 

[SouthAussie]

The leak was there before he took on the case. Shouldn't have been too hard to narrow down.

Yes, I think the potential for an uncontrolled (by SFR) leak was there early. From whenever they decided to get the relevant team involved (presumably Sex Crimes) and charge then prosecute him.

The tip about the alleged historical crimes was received by Crime Stoppers in Jan 2015. Possibly around the time of the searches of BS' properties ... and that media attention was while Hans Rupp had the case.


Mr Williams said the allegations were renewed in a call to Crime Stoppers in January 2015.
"This wasn't something that the police actively unearthed to 'get' the plaintiff," he said.
Detectives took the matter seriously, he said, and would have been "rightly criticised" for dismissing the claims out of hand.

Police 'just doing their job' when charging former William Tyrrell suspect with child sex offences, court told

Police acted on a tip-off to Crime Stoppers before they charged a former suspect in the William Tyrrell investigation with historical child sex offences he was later cleared of, a court hears.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SLouTh]

New Article here:

Bombshell documents lift lid on William Tyrrell mystery

Explosive new documents from the William Tyrrell case reveal details about the toddler's life with his foster family, his violent behaviour and an accident days before he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Headlines:

EXCLUSIVE: Explosive documents lift lid on William Tyrrell case: How toddler 'couldn't get up' after 'distressing' accident, hit and bit foster mum – and six weeks of texts with her husband were DELETED before he disappeared​

• Exclusive documents show details about William Tyrrell's life with foster family
• 'Furious' William had 'issues' with foster mother who he hit and bit
• One week before disappearing William 'fell over and couldn't get back up'
• Day he vanished foster father made William change his own dirty nappy
• Foster dad can't explain six weeks of 'bulk' deleted texts to foster mother

 

[seekingjustice**]

Wow - it's starting to make a bit more sense now.
"They include an accident where William fell off a stool and couldn't get up, how he was made to change his own dirty nappy on the day he vanished and queries about the foster father mysteriously deleting six weeks of texts with his wife."

Bombshell documents lift lid on William Tyrrell mystery

Explosive new documents from the William Tyrrell case reveal details about the toddler's life with his foster family, his violent behaviour and an accident days before he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JLZ]

Wow - it's starting to make a bit more sense now.
"They include an accident where William fell off a stool and couldn't get up, how he was made to change his own dirty nappy on the day he vanished and queries about the foster father mysteriously deleting six weeks of texts with his wife."

Bombshell documents lift lid on William Tyrrell mystery

Explosive new documents from the William Tyrrell case reveal details about the toddler's life with his foster family, his violent behaviour and an accident days before he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The stool . . .

'Only in the last week or so he was, you know when you've got the little stools that they stand on.

'So he was sitting next to one or on one in the kitchen in our place. And he'd somehow managed to sit awkwardly and fell back.

BBM x 2. I think he's talking about one of those stools that are about five inches high.

 

[Serenanicole]

The stool . . .

'Only in the last week or so he was, you know when you've got the little stools that they stand on.

'So he was sitting next to one or on one in the kitchen in our place. And he'd somehow managed to sit awkwardly and fell back.

BBM x 2. I think he's talking about one of those stools that are about five inches high.

I wonder if he was taken to see a doctor after he fell back like that given he may have hit his head and that may be the reason why he couldn’t get up IMO.
I wonder why he felt like he had to tell the police about this anyway, during his interview surely this didn’t have anything to do with Williams disappearance? Maybe it was in response to a line of questioning?
I don’t think it’s strange that as per previous post he was so called made to change his nappy. In my experience most children are well and truly toilet trained by this age and can take their pants up and down, and these were pullups, and it may have been them trying to get him to be independent.
The six weeks of deleted texts is interesting. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

The stool . . .

'Only in the last week or so he was, you know when you've got the little stools that they stand on.

'So he was sitting next to one or on one in the kitchen in our place. And he'd somehow managed to sit awkwardly and fell back.

BBM x 2. I think he's talking about one of those stools that are about five inches high.

And his "dirty nappy" was a Pull Up. He was 3 years old. Pretty sure he could take his nighttime Pull Up off and put his undies on.

Gotta love the DM. They like to dabble in a little sensationalism. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>
The six weeks of deleted texts is interesting. IMO

Definitely the most interesting part of the article. imo

I wonder if they have been able to reconstruct them. I think text messages are stored for (at least) 2 years on the telco server. But not everyone stores the text message content.

Can Phone Companies Retrieve Old Text Messages?​

You can, in some cases, access text messages that are kept by some (but not all) phone providers. Furthermore, there are other third-party apps such as PhoneRescue, Tenorshare iPhone Data Recovery, Enigma Recovery, and WonderShares. Upon returning to the previous backup, you could review deleted files.

How Long Do Phone Companies Keep Text Messages Australia? – ictsd.org

www.ictsd.org

 

[Mrs G Norris]

How is it that details about Williams less than stellar foster parents are only coming to light now? Was Joooobs actively ignoring what was starting him in the face because it didn’t fit his BS narrative, or was something else going on. It sure doesn’t make him look like the crack detective we were led to believe he was. Poor William and his poor sister who should have been rescued years ago. Very sad.

 

[SouthAussie]

How is it that details about Williams less than stellar foster parents are only coming to light now? Was Joooobs actively ignoring what was starting him in the face because it didn’t fit his BS narrative, or was something else going on. It sure doesn’t make him look like the crack detective we were led to believe he was. Poor William and his poor sister who should have been rescued years ago. Very sad.

BBM: Evidently not. Seeing that they drilled down into them (at least) far enough to review their text messages, review the vehicle on CCTV, check that they were where they said they were, review their phone pings, bug their vehicle, etc.

Maybe the current narrative doesn't fit the facts in the police brief. All those facts that we do not know.
The police have these statements. It is only us who are only just finding out about the deleted text messages.

I delete text messages also, after a bit, otherwise my conversations get too full and use too much phone memory.

As much as there is a sinister connotation for these things, there are also innocent connotations for the same things.

 

[JLZ]

Definitely the most interesting part of the article. imo

I wonder if they have been able to reconstruct them. I think text messages are stored for (at least) 2 years on the telco server. But not everyone stores the text message content.

Can Phone Companies Retrieve Old Text Messages?​

You can, in some cases, access text messages that are kept by some (but not all) phone providers. Furthermore, there are other third-party apps such as PhoneRescue, Tenorshare iPhone Data Recovery, Enigma Recovery, and WonderShares. Upon returning to the previous backup, you could review deleted files.

How Long Do Phone Companies Keep Text Messages Australia? – ictsd.org

www.ictsd.org

The period of the text messages ended more than a month before William's disappearance. Maybe I'm jaded, I just can't get up any force of curiosity there.