Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #70

[SouthAussie]

I don't know that CO is a particularly reliable source of information with this case to be honest...

We all have our individual preferences.
For me, the DM ranks at the bottom of the list.

I didn't spend a lot of time following CO early in the case, as I had my own preferences of reporting style. But I have found most (if not all) of her information to be an accurate re-telling of Coronial and other information, as time has gone by.

 

[KateM]

We all have our individual preferences.
For me, the DM ranks at the bottom of the list.

I didn't spend a lot of time following CO in the past, as I had my own preferences. But I have found most (if not all) of her information to be accurate, as time has gone by.

I used to find her to be objective in the past, but I feel that like some others such as Michael Usher, Ben Fordham, Lia Harris and Chris Smith, she isn't objective these days regarding this case.

 

[SouthAussie]

I used to find her to be objective in the past, but I feel that like some others such as Michael Usher, Ben Fordham, Lia Harris and Chris Smith, she isn't objective these days regarding this case.

Well, she is not pursuing the FP, if that's what you mean by 'not being objective'.

She clearly stated in her last article 'what if they are wrong' about the recent/current police pursuit of the FP.

It could be seen as objective to consider both sides of the coin. The FP innocence in relation to the disappearance of William being one of those sides of the coin.

 

[katydid23]

The FP's have been charged over the alleged ASSAULT of a child. That's more than intimidation. The FM is appealing under the mental health card, so this is more serious than the case you reference.

Right, but I am curious about that allegation. IIRC, the magistrate seemed to say it was not an earth shattering incident or something to that affect.

It makes me wonder if it was more along the lines of them shoving her or holding her tightly to prevent her from leaving their home, when she was angry at them. I cannot see the magistrate making that comment if they had violently attacked her. JMO

 

[KateM]

Well, she is not pursuing the FP, if that's what you mean by 'not being objective'.

She clearly stated in her last article 'what if they are wrong' about the recent/current police pursuit of the FP.

It could be seen as objective to consider both sides of the coin. The FP innocence in relation to the disappearance of William being one of those sides of the coin.

I'm not suggesting that she should be pursuing the FP's, but in the early days, she appeared to at least consider that they may be guilty. Why did Channel 7 remove the show that she hosted re Frank Abbott? She also seemed to put stock on Ron Chapman's statement. Does she ever comment on the case now?

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not suggesting hat she should be pursuing the FP's, but in the early days, she appeared to at least consider that they may be guilty. Why did Channel 7 remove the show that she hosted re Frank Abbott? She also seemed to put stock on Ron Chapman's statement. Does she ever comment on the case now? Who is it this week?

I find it super interesting that only the DM is reporting on FGM's walkthrough, and their recently-stated 'obtaining of documents'.

None of the long-term journos in this case, with likely as much maintained interest as us, have obtained those same documents and/or found them worthy enough to be published. Did the Coroner release those particular documents to the media?

Yet, they all reported on the charges, which obviously are of interest to everyone.

 

[KateM]

I find it super interesting that only the DM is reporting on FGM's walkthrough, and their recently-stated 'obtaining of documents'.

None of the long-term journos in this case, with likely as much maintained interest as us, have obtained those same documents and/or found them worthy enough to be published. Did the Coroner release those particular documents?

Yet, they all reported on the charges, which obviously are of interest to everyone.

I didn't reference the FGM's walk through and I certainly don't believe everything that I read in the Daily Mail. On saying that I found the video of the FGM's walk through quite interesting.

 

[katydid23]

At some point, the task force decided to target the FP's in order to rattle them and get them to confess.

The Task Force began their mission, which was similar to the one that BS is now suing them for. They put several things in motion:
-alerting the public to their belief that the FP's were guilty.
-rolling out a very high profile search of all the areas the FP's traveled on the day of the incident
-telling the birth family that Wm was probably buried in the garden
-speaking to Wm's sister, and probably implying that her parents killed her little brother


How is the sister going to feel about all of this? How is she going to respond to her parents at home? Is she going to call them murderers and say she hates them? I would think that kind of thing probably happened.

What if the child screamed angrily that at them and FM slapped her or forcefully tried to prevent her from leaving the house ?

What if the alleged stalking was the FP's reaching out to her, attempting to convince her of their innocence?

In other words, I think there is a possibility that all of the allegations by LE are being misconstrued by some of the public. The same thing happened when they targeted BS. He looked 100% guilty and I was convinced he was.

There may be explanations for the circumstances which do not prove guilt. JMO


I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG. THEY MIGHT BE VICIOUS KILLERS AND DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE. BUT GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR, I AM NOT CONVINCED OF THAT.

 

[KateM]

At some point, the task force decided to target the FP's in order to rattle them and get them to confess.

The Task Force began their mission, which was similar to the one that BS is now suing them for. They put several things in motion:
-alerting the public to their belief that the FP's were guilty.
-rolling out a very high profile search of all the areas the FP's traveled on the day of the incident
-telling the birth family that Wm was probably buried in the garden
-speaking to Wm's sister, and probably implying that her parents killed her little brother


How is the sister going to feel about all of this? How is she going to respond to her parents at home? Is she going to call them murderers and say she hates them? I would think that kind of thing probably happened.

What if the child screamed angrily that at them and FM slapped her or forcefully tried to prevent her from leaving the house ?

What if the alleged stalking was the FP's reaching out to her, attempting to convince her of their innocence?

In other words, I think there is a possibility that all of the allegations by LE are being misconstrued by some of the public. The same thing happened when they targeted BS. He looked 100% guilty and I was convinced he was.

There may be explanations for the circumstances which do not prove guilt. JMO


I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG. THEY MIGHT BE VICIOUS KILLERS AND DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE. BUT GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR, I AM NOT CONVINCED OF THAT.

Do you really think that the police task force would imply to William's sister that the FP's killed her brother? Wow.

 

[KateM]

How would they ever prove she lied though? What if she was mistaken or misremembered?

There was an article posted here many times, about what happens to people during highly stressed incidents, like a missing child, and how the memory plays tricks on people when they are under emotional pressure to remember everything about that event.

They often 'misremember' or mix up memories from previous days, when under intense emotional stress.

There would be no credible way to label that as 'perverting the course of justice.' Look at all the other inconsistent stories from the neighbours and other witnesses, describing cars they saw or heard or children they saw or didn't see. Are they lying or just mistaken?

Nobody else apart from the FM, saw the cars.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I don't know that CO is a particularly reliable source of information with this case to be honest...

Oh l definitely agree! I just couldn’t remember where l had seen someone make that claim and thought it maybe her. I will say that at least she is an experienced journalist and writer as compared to that other book written by the local gossip.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Nobody else apart from the FM, saw the cars.

That doesn’t prove they weren’t there though. Unless every neighbour was home all morning looking out the window the entire time it can’t be proven the cars are made up. I personally believe the cars were there for a brief period of time but have nothing to do with William.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Nobody else apart from the FM, saw the cars.

I really don't think IMO it will relate to something like the car sighting. I think it will be more along the lines of the speculation MFC left the house twice, but they both lied and said once. Something definitive like that, that they can prove happened.

 

[Mauig’ma]

I think if there was any sense of urgency we wouldn't be waiting until next year.

JMO, but I've got a sinking feeling that there's very little evidence against the fosters. Just doesn't feel like they are close to cracking the case but more like shaking the tree to see what might fall out.

I disagree. I don’t think le isn’t in any hurry to arrest anyone quite yet. Imo they need more time and hopefully whoever disappeared William will get caught up in lies & maybe le are finally bugging their house. Imo they should be already due to the charges brought foreword already. I think they’re getting closer than ever imo. I feel they want to make sure they have all their ducks in a row and more evidence to arrest and convict. I have a good feeling that William will get the justice he deserves. Sometimes it takes longer is all. Moo imo

 

[KateM]

I really don't think IMO it will relate to something like the car sighting. I think it will be more along the lines of the speculation MFC left the house twice, but they both lied and said once. Something definitive like that, that they can prove happened.

I agree. It will be something more solid than the alleged car sighting. For the record though, I don't believe the cars were ever there.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone seen a date when Justice Harrison will give his decision on BS' lawsuit outcome?

I was just looking through the media to try to find a date. All I can see is (dated 6th May) ......



Justice Ian Harrison has now retired to consider his judgement, with Mr Spedding again waiting for an outcome.

To be successful in a malicious prosecution case, it must be proven on the balance of probabilities that authorities acted with malice in wrongfully bringing and maintaining a charge.

That can be difficult a threshold to meet, as shown in another high-profile case heard before the Supreme Court in 2017.

Bill Spedding is still haunted after being outed as a William Tyrrell suspect, now he's waiting for a judge's verdict

He was outed and then cleared as a suspect in William Tyrrell's disappearance — now Bill Spedding is waiting to see if he has proved police maliciously prosecuted him during the investigation.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JLZ]

That doesn’t prove they weren’t there though. Unless every neighbour was home all morning looking out the window the entire time it can’t be proven the cars are made up. I personally believe the cars were there for a brief period of time but have nothing to do with William.

But she said she saw them twice, two hours apart.

 

[Mauig’ma]

At some point, the task force decided to target the FP's in order to rattle them and get them to confess.

The Task Force began their mission, which was similar to the one that BS is now suing them for. They put several things in motion:
-alerting the public to their belief that the FP's were guilty.
-rolling out a very high profile search of all the areas the FP's traveled on the day of the incident
-telling the birth family that Wm was probably buried in the garden
-speaking to Wm's sister, and probably implying that her parents killed her little brother


How is the sister going to feel about all of this? How is she going to respond to her parents at home? Is she going to call them murderers and say she hates them? I would think that kind of thing probably happened.

What if the child screamed angrily that at them and FM slapped her or forcefully tried to prevent her from leaving the house ?

What if the alleged stalking was the FP's reaching out to her, attempting to convince her of their innocence?

In other words, I think there is a possibility that all of the allegations by LE are being misconstrued by some of the public. The same thing happened when they targeted BS. He looked 100% guilty and I was convinced he was.

There may be explanations for the circumstances which do not prove guilt. JMO


I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG. THEY MIGHT BE VICIOUS KILLERS AND DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE. BUT GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR, I AM NOT CONVINCED OF THAT.

Well first of all if these allegations are true then she is a victim and no the foster parents shouldn’t be intimidating her by leading her beliefs to fit theirs. Imo. And as far what happened with bs I really doubt they want to go through all that again. Therefore because of my reasons I stated above plus others, I feel le know exactly what they’re doing and why it may be taking longer than we want. Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

We all have our individual preferences.
For me, the DM ranks at the bottom of the list.

I didn't spend a lot of time following CO early in the case, as I had my own preferences of reporting style. But I have found most (if not all) of her information to be an accurate re-telling of Coronial and other information, as time has gone by.

And for me DM in the end is usually way ahead of what other media report. And imo they’re almost always spot on when the truth finally does come out. <modsnip> Imo moo

 

[SouthAussie]

And for me DM in the end is usually way ahead of what other media report. And imo they’re almost always spot on when the truth finally does come out. <modsnip> Imo moo

DM is not paywalled. Perhaps others don't see the paywalled articles which have written about these things (I have seen some of them).