Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #70

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  • #541
I would love to see a full timeline from the previous night at McDonalds up to the 000 call up to the drive to the Airport.

With each time and event if it showed "alleged by FC's" or "confirmed" if would be very helpful. The problem is that the story and timelines surrounding William's disappearance have changed quite a bit since the early days and IMO this is why the FC's have been charged with giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.

It is now alleged that the MFC went for 2 drives on the morning of Williams disappearance and I am pretty sure the average person who has followed this case only heard about a second drive recently. The FFC going for a drive to allegedly look for William shortly after his disappearance was not known to the public for quite a long time as well.

The more "new" things that come to light years later that were not mentioned earlier on only create more and more suspicion IMO. Sloppy reporting by media has also added to what is a very confusing case.
 
  • #542
I would love to see a full timeline from the previous night at McDonalds up to the 000 call up to the drive to the Airport.

With each time and event if it showed "alleged by FC's" or "confirmed" if would be very helpful. The problem is that the story and timelines surrounding William's disappearance have changed quite a bit since the early days and IMO this is why the FC's have been charged with giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.

It is now alleged that the MFC went for 2 drives on the morning of Williams disappearance and I am pretty sure the average person who has followed this case only heard about a second drive recently. The FFC going for a drive to allegedly look for William shortly after his disappearance was not known to the public for quite a long time as well.

The more "new" things that come to light years later that were not mentioned earlier on only create more and more suspicion IMO. Sloppy reporting by media has also added to what is a very confusing case.
The MFC's vehicle was only caught once on CCTV though, wasn't it?
 
  • #543
It is now alleged that the MFC went for 2 drives on the morning of Williams disappearance and I am pretty sure the average person who has followed this case only heard about a second drive recently. The FFC going for a drive to allegedly look for William shortly after his disappearance was not known to the public for quite a long time as well.

I dont think it is alleged at all.

It has been theorised here by a few members.

We probably need to be careful that our theories don't turn into allegations.
Tomorrow the DM may be printing those words.
Something pretty strange is going on with the media reporting. imo
 
  • #544
Great wording of everything, I wasn't aware that foster father left twice, its so perfect that disappearance happened in Kendall not alot of security cameras and lots of bush, in Sydney there would of been loads of cameras and not much options, so perfect for the foster mother who was complaining about everything that now her problems hav left,

I hav always wondered about birth mother and sister, was birth mother having visits with sister before or after the birth of WT was the sister going with WT to the visits now he is with foster family im assuming she was as of a few articles i hav read but not 100% sure, now WT is out of the picture is sister continuing to see BM in the immediate time frame after the disappearance, I would assume that at some point in the future sister and birth mother would want to hav visits im not 100% sure what happened there.

As my theory has always been that birth family lost rights to sister as they may not hav kept up on appointments or court after loosing her, sister appeared to at some point hav entered the Forster familys care as long term, she may be available for adoption at some point in the future, WT was removed put with a sibling placement (possibly what the fosters were hoping for) (initially it would of had to start as short term?) but in the situation of WT birth mother she appeared to kept up with court appearances and appointments to get the child back, possibly she'd never be able to get him as he is in a sibling placement so hence the fact he will be under the department until 18yrs old, hence the fact birth family continuing to visit, creating a huge problem to adopt sister she is now in a sibling foster placement and basically may not be allowed to be adopted out reason being fosters could legally hand back WT at any time so then it would separate the siblings, basically a catch 20 situation, sister is available for adoption or future adoption but is now in a sibling foster placement with her biological brother, biological brother can't be adoptable as birth mother is on the scene, hence fosters trying to remove the birth family as of WT behaviour issues that appear to only be looked at by the department, where normally you would inform the department of the behavioural issues but take the child to developmental paediatrician and so forth for diagnosis or referral to assessments, getting back to the fact sister may be adoptable, brother may be un-adoptable, foster mother asked for birth visits to stop then threatening that she cant continue with WT i can't quote the email some things along that line to give him back (knowing she can't give him back as the sister is in a sibling placement if WT go's looks like the sister may hav to go with him) was the only option to foster mother was for WT to disappear into fresh air then sister can become adoptable, was WT the only reason birth mother was legally allowed to be on the scene, is it because no death certificate has been issued that the sister was sitting in limbo still couldn't be adopted out because of the sibling placement, its looks like a huge error in the department sister sitting in long term care to be sibling placed with a biological brother she may hav never met who is only entering the foster system initially as a short term whos biological parents hav kept up with legal requirements but can't get him back as he is sitting with a sibling he may have never met before the placement who she is long term possibly never to return to birth family or possibly the siblings together would be to much of a responsibility to every both go together to the birth family, should the department hav given fosters who wanted long term the sister but placed the brother in a short term placement to see if he will go back to birth family so there is an option for him to return then if the situation arose that birth mother can't get him then for him to be moved on as long term placement to the foster family with the sister

It seems like to much of an anomalie for WT to perfectly disappear into fresh air, and now the sister coming to an age that she can be adopted out with her consent i would assume fosters where pushing this onto her and from whats happened in the media im assuming she did not want this


At the age of 12 a child can concent to adoption then fosters wouldn't need anyone else to approve, could it be the sister saying no i want to keep my last name same as my brother WT and I want to be in my birth family and if the fosters were responsible at some degree for the disappearance of WT are there true colours beginning to now show and they hav treated the sister badly could they hav snapped in some way as of everything they hav done and been through to try and adopt this child and she turned around and said no?

I would love to see a list of correct time lines, one that shows foster mothers drive that morning, or was there a witness that saw her driving at a confirmed time, I feel with foster mother instead of answering a question she is using for to many words and the answers are all over the place with her asking questions herself, basically bo straight answers with anything the story is all over the place
It hasn’t been proven ff left twice. Both siblings were in permanent care. The fosters had William first and were then asked to take his sister.
 
  • #545
I would love to see a full timeline from the previous night at McDonalds up to the 000 call up to the drive to the Airport.

With each time and event if it showed "alleged by FC's" or "confirmed" if would be very helpful. The problem is that the story and timelines surrounding William's disappearance have changed quite a bit since the early days and IMO this is why the FC's have been charged with giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.

It is now alleged that the MFC went for 2 drives on the morning of Williams disappearance and I am pretty sure the average person who has followed this case only heard about a second drive recently. The FFC going for a drive to allegedly look for William shortly after his disappearance was not known to the public for quite a long time as well.

The more "new" things that come to light years later that were not mentioned earlier on only create more and more suspicion IMO. Sloppy reporting by media has also added to what is a very confusing case.
Who is alleging this? Its apparently in CO’s book but its not proven he did 2 drives.
 
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  • #547
remember this little story about what might have happened to william, originally written 18 april 2015
<modsnip: Link below was edited by Moderator> its an australian news article
how could toddler william tyrrell vanish into thin air

How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

I have had this article saved for years. It is the only MSM article I have saved ... it is filed under "Best Article". :)
Dan Box and Greg Bearup were an excellent writing team.
 
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  • #548
remember this little story about what might have happened to william, originally written 18 april 2015
<modsnip: Link below was edited by Moderator> its an australian news article
how could toddler william tyrrell vanish into thin air

How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?
I wonder if Det GJ got it so wrong about BS, then how did he get it “right” about the FFM and MFD? That’s always baffled me.

edit to add PS to that getting it wrong list.
 
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  • #549
I wonder if Det GJ got it so wrong about BS, then how did he get it “right” about the FFM and MFD? That’s always baffled me.

edit to add PS to that getting it wrong list.
He didn’t “get it wrong”. He never charged anyone in Williams case. The only thing he legally did wrong was the recording of PS.
 
  • #550
He didn’t “get it wrong”. He never charged anyone in Williams case. The only thing he legally did wrong was the recording of PS.
We will agree to disagree.
 
  • #551
He didn’t “get it wrong”. He never charged anyone in Williams case. The only thing he legally did wrong was the recording of PS.
I wonder if BS would agree? :confused:
 
  • #552
Where dose the sister come in to it all, I thought she was placed with the family while they were waiting for WT birth perents that were on the run with him? What information or articles show when the sister was placed with the fosters


TIMELINE TO TRAGEDY

2010-2011:
William Tyrrell's biological parents reunite after a period of estrangement and remain together during the mother's pregnancy with William.

26.6.2011: William Tyrrell is born.

During 2011: The couple destined to be his foster parents are approved by the Department of Family and Community Services (formerly DOCS) as carers.

Couple is willing to do crisis care and take "a sibling group" for long term placement.

Between 2011 and 2012: DOCS learns William's biological mother and father are back together and get a court order to have him removed. FACS tells the foster couple William is going to be surrendered from his birth family and come into their care.

February, 2012: FACS gains court orders to remove William from his birth mother.

8.2.2012: William's birth parents take off with William, and police in concert with FACS issue a warrant for the birth mother's arrest.

16.2.2012:

FACS approves foster parents

15.03.2012:
William is found at Sydney's Upper North Shore with biological parents and removed from them.

16.03.2012: Nine-month-old William is placed with the foster parents, supervised by Wesley Mission's Dalmar Out of Home Care.

March - September 2012: William's biological parents see him once a fortnight for between one and three hours.

July 2012: NSW FACS awards the Salvation Army a foster care contract under its new [but since disbanded] Young Hope Out of Home Care Service.

5 September 2012: Salvation Army's Young Hope, along with other NGOs, accredited by The Children's Guardian to manage foster care for FACS. Young Hope will take on 130 children in its first three years, including William Tyrrell.

2012-2013: William's biological parents are told the foster parents aren't comfortable meeting them. Under the Salvation Army, the birth parents see William for one hour once every two months on visits supervised by Salvation Army Out of Home Care

Around March 2013: Dropping off William for a contact visit, foster mother sees William's birth father, and on another occasion sees the birth mother. They don't speak.

December 2013 (if not 12 months earlier): William, his sister and foster parents attend a Christmas street party on the corner of Ellendale Crescent and Benaroon Drive, Kendall.
 
  • #553
He didn’t “get it wrong”. He never charged anyone in Williams case. The only thing he legally did wrong was the recording of PS.
Yes I wonder if all recordings have been listened to yet
 
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  • #555
Yes I wonder if all recordings have been listened to yet
Doubt it :rolleyes:



Lia Harris
·
Oct 7, 2020

Det Chief Insp Laidlaw there are “a number” of cars captured on CCTV from the Kendall Tennis Club on the day William vanished that “we can’t or have yet to identify”.


Det Chief Insp Laidlaw told the court there is material in relation to covert surveillance which has not been reviewed. “I made the decision that thus far the material wasn’t providing any evidence that we could utilise... so I made the decision not to continue reviewing that”.
 
  • #556
Where dose the sister come in to it all, I thought she was placed with the family while they were waiting for WT birth perents that were on the run with him? What information or articles show when the sister was placed with the fosters


TIMELINE TO TRAGEDY

2010-2011:
William Tyrrell's biological parents reunite after a period of estrangement and remain together during the mother's pregnancy with William.

26.6.2011: William Tyrrell is born.

During 2011: The couple destined to be his foster parents are approved by the Department of Family and Community Services (formerly DOCS) as carers.

Couple is willing to do crisis care and take "a sibling group" for long term placement.

Between 2011 and 2012: DOCS learns William's biological mother and father are back together and get a court order to have him removed. FACS tells the foster couple William is going to be surrendered from his birth family and come into their care.

February, 2012: FACS gains court orders to remove William from his birth mother.

8.2.2012: William's birth parents take off with William, and police in concert with FACS issue a warrant for the birth mother's arrest.

16.2.2012:

FACS approves foster parents

15.03.2012:
William is found at Sydney's Upper North Shore with biological parents and removed from them.

16.03.2012: Nine-month-old William is placed with the foster parents, supervised by Wesley Mission's Dalmar Out of Home Care.

March - September 2012: William's biological parents see him once a fortnight for between one and three hours.

July 2012: NSW FACS awards the Salvation Army a foster care contract under its new [but since disbanded] Young Hope Out of Home Care Service.

5 September 2012: Salvation Army's Young Hope, along with other NGOs, accredited by The Children's Guardian to manage foster care for FACS. Young Hope will take on 130 children in its first three years, including William Tyrrell.

2012-2013: William's biological parents are told the foster parents aren't comfortable meeting them. Under the Salvation Army, the birth parents see William for one hour once every two months on visits supervised by Salvation Army Out of Home Care

Around March 2013: Dropping off William for a contact visit, foster mother sees William's birth father, and on another occasion sees the birth mother. They don't speak.

December 2013 (if not 12 months earlier): William, his sister and foster parents attend a Christmas street party on the corner of Ellendale Crescent and Benaroon Drive, Kendall.
BBM Its part of the court documents Secretary, Department of Family and Community Services v Smith [2017] NSWSC 6 - BarNet Jade
 

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  • #557
I would love to see a full timeline from the previous night at McDonalds up to the 000 call up to the drive to the Airport.

With each time and event if it showed "alleged by FC's" or "confirmed" if would be very helpful. The problem is that the story and timelines surrounding William's disappearance have changed quite a bit since the early days and IMO this is why the FC's have been charged with giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.

It is now alleged that the MFC went for 2 drives on the morning of Williams disappearance and I am pretty sure the average person who has followed this case only heard about a second drive recently. The FFC going for a drive to allegedly look for William shortly after his disappearance was not known to the public for quite a long time as well.

The more "new" things that come to light years later that were not mentioned earlier on only create more and more suspicion IMO. Sloppy reporting by media has also added to what is a very confusing case.
yes a full time line with what is actual independant confirmed fact and what is just someone elses story of events
 
  • #558
yes a full time line with what is actual independant confirmed fact and what is just someone elses story of events

Sounds like you and Det Willy have a big job ahead. :p
I think there have been two timelines done here so far already.
 
  • #559
Doubt it :rolleyes:

Lia Harris
·
Oct 7, 2020

Det Chief Insp Laidlaw there are “a number” of cars captured on CCTV from the Kendall Tennis Club on the day William vanished that “we can’t or have yet to identify”.


Det Chief Insp Laidlaw told the court there is material in relation to covert surveillance which has not been reviewed. “I made the decision that thus far the material wasn’t providing any evidence that we could utilise... so I made the decision not to continue reviewing that”.

Can you imagine if PS has revealed what he saw in those unlistened-to recordings? (If anything)

I wonder if, one day, a cold case detective is going to spend the time to listen to the unheard recordings.
 
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  • #560
Can you imagine if PS has revealed what he saw in those unlistened-to recordings? (If anything)

I wonder if, one day, a cold case detective is going to spend the time to listen to the unheard recordings.
The Coroner could have ordered them to be listened to also IMO
 
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