Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #70

[SouthAussie]

Are you disputing that the FCs have been charged with giving false or misleading information or are you disputing that they have been charged with assault or are you disputing that they have been charged with stalking?

They are not allegations they are charges that are before the courts.

Which links are you chasing? Ta.

I would like to see the links to the inconsistencies that the current investigators have found.

The charges you are speaking of are new developments, that could not have been found prior to late 2021.
We don't yet know what the alleged lying charges are about, nor why they were in front of the Crime Commission.

I am not seeing any "The current investigative team ..... finding things that the previous investigators could not."

In your first post, I thought they had actually found something.

 

[Lemony]

What have they found?

Bouncing off this, it's interesting that during the November search the biological grandmother told the media that a detective rang her (for the first time in years) and told her they were digging up the garden bed and William was probably going to be under there somewhere.
While that mightn't have been exactly what he said to her, it does sound like the police were keeping her updated and must've been quite confident that they were going to find William's remains - why else would they say that to her?

And while we don't know the results of forensic testing, some media reports indicated nothing significant was found
"While several items have been removed from the search site for forensic analysis, the ABC understands that none is expected to provide information that cracks the case".

Search for William Tyrrell's remains to end this week

The "painstaking" four-week search for William Tyrrell's remains will end "in coming days", police say. The efforts were sparked by "new information", but have so far turned up nothing of note.

www.abc.net.au

I'm not hopeful that the latest activity is going to bring answers.

 

[KateM]

William Tyrrell's foster parents face 2023 hearing.

William Tyrrell's foster parents face 2023 hearing

The foster mother of William Tyrrell who is facing assault claims related to another child will have her mental health application heard in June.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[JBowie]

They are not allegations they are charges that are before the courts.

All police charges relate to allegations. Allegations remain so until proven, or not, in court.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I would like to see the links to the inconsistencies that the current investigators have found.

The charges you are speaking of are new developments, that could not have been found prior to late 2021.
We don't yet know what the alleged lying charges are about, nor why they were in front of the Crime Commission.

I am not seeing any "The current investigative team ..... finding things that the previous investigators could not."

In your first post, I thought they had actually found something.

We don't know whether the alleged lying charges could have been found during the earlier investigation. There's a possibility that the lying charges could have been found by the current investigative team while going back through the original evidence with a fine tooth comb.

 

[JBowie]

William Tyrrell's foster parents face 2023 hearing.

William Tyrrell's foster parents face 2023 hearing

The foster mother of William Tyrrell who is facing assault claims related to another child will have her mental health application heard in June.

thenewdaily.com.au

"The charges against both foster parents were set down for a three-day hearing to start on January 16."

What are the odds that the scheduled hearing will be further postponed for some reason or other come Jan 16?

 

[Detective Willy]

All police charges relate to allegations. Allegations remain so until proven, or not, in court.

Police don't lay charges every time there is an allegation though and I don't think they are going through a charade in such a high profile case IMO.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Bouncing off this, it's interesting that during the November search the biological grandmother told the media that a detective rang her (for the first time in years) and told her they were digging up the garden bed and William was probably going to be under there somewhere.
While that mightn't have been exactly what he said to her, it does sound like the police were keeping her updated and must've been quite confident that they were going to find William's remains - why else would they say that to her?

And while we don't know the results of forensic testing, some media reports indicated nothing significant was found
"While several items have been removed from the search site for forensic analysis, the ABC understands that none is expected to provide information that cracks the case".

Search for William Tyrrell's remains to end this week

The "painstaking" four-week search for William Tyrrell's remains will end "in coming days", police say. The efforts were sparked by "new information", but have so far turned up nothing of note.

www.abc.net.au

I'm not hopeful that the latest activity is going to bring answers.

Yes she has told the media quite a lot. I would highly doubt they would be contacting her with updates when they can contact the bio parents

 

[SouthAussie]

We don't know whether the alleged lying charges could have been found during the earlier investigation. There's a possibility that the lying charges could have been found by the current investigative team while going back through the original evidence with a fine tooth comb.

I don't have any issue with that. If that is others opinions, all well and good.

The comment I was responding to was stated as fact.

Thank you for re-establishing that it is (another) unknown.

 

[JBowie]

Police don't lay charges every time there is an allegation though and I don't think they are going through a charade in such a high profile case IMO.

Generally speaking, police do not lay charges without what they consider sufficient supporting/compelling evidence. It's then up to the prosecution to prove the charges to the satisfaction of the magistrate/judge/jury (as applicable) -- assuming that the defendant pleads not guilty.

There have been cases of frivolous/malicious prosecution, but they are not common in NSW to my knowledge.

 

[SouthAussie]

"The charges against both foster parents were set down for a three-day hearing to start on January 16."

What are the odds that the scheduled hearing will be further postponed for some reason or other come Jan 16?

The FM may even have her charges "thrown out" on June 30th, according to the Courier Mail article that bear linked.

 

[LolaAngelina]

That quote related to Laidlaw. The material was recorded during Jubelin's term as head of the Strike Force.

Personally, given that he was on a personal mission with PS, and given that he was a highly-driven cop, I believe that Jubelin would have gone through all of the recordings had the resources to do so been available.

Yes l was talking about Laidlaw not Jubelin.

 

[JBowie]

The FM may even have her charges "thrown out" on June 30th, according to the Courier Mail article that bear linked.

True, and I wonder if the public will ever get to know the details of the charges.

 

[Curiouskatz11]

FFC has applied to have her charges dismissed on mental health grounds. This seems like a tacit admission of some wrongdoing. I wonder where that then leaves the FMC who has not made a similar application.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I keep wondering if we would still be here searching for answers if Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw was heading this investigation from the start?

The investigation IMO was somewhat botched in the early days and everything snowballed from then.

The current investigative team has been playing catch up from a long way behind but they seem to be making headway and finding things that the previous investigators could not.

Yes l wonder the same if Jubelin was there from the start.

 

[Awakening]

I'm back to thinking the police have very little on the fosters. I can't see them waiting until next year for it to go to court. If police wanted it sooner they would. Seems more like police want to keep them hanging for a year, put them under sustained pressure and hope that reveals some evidence.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

I'm back to thinking the police have very little on the fosters. I can't see them waiting until next year for it to go to court. If police wanted it sooner they would. Seems more like police want to keep them hanging for a year, put them under sustained pressure and hope that reveals some evidence.

Do LE really get a choice in the dates? IIRC earlier it was stated it was pushed out due to the FC wanting it heard over multiple days, and trying to find availability for it to be heard

 

[KateM]

"The charges against both foster parents were set down for a three-day hearing to start on January 16."

What are the odds that the scheduled hearing will be further postponed for some reason or other come Jan 16?

You can put money on it...

 

[seekingjustice**]

I'm back to thinking the police have very little on the fosters. I can't see them waiting until next year for it to go to court. If police wanted it sooner they would. Seems more like police want to keep them hanging for a year, put them under sustained pressure and hope that reveals some evidence.

I'm not certain, but I think Court Dates are set by the Magistrate and Police don't have the power to change them.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Police have dropped charges against Kristo Langker, a producer for YouTube political commentary channel Friendlyjordies, after he was arrested at his home in dramatic scenes and accused of stalking former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro.

Mr Langker, 22, was arrested in June last year and charged with four counts of stalking or intimidating Mr Barilaro with intent to cause fear of physical or mental harm. He pleaded not guilty and said he would defend the charges vigorously.

Police drop charges against Friendlyjordies producer Kristo Langker

Mr Langker was accused of stalking or intimidating former deputy premier John Barilaro, which he denied and indicated he would defend in court vigorously.

www.smh.com.au

Unfortunately, highly questionable charges can be laid, it does happen, especially, in high profile cases, it can be quite humiliating for all concerned.

If the police have sufficient evidence against the FPs, that they were directly involved in WT’s disappearance, they would’ve been arrested, imo. There’s something amiss but I can’t put my finger on it.

I can understand those who believe the FPs are guilty and are relieved that it appears the wheels of justice are turning, but I don’t feel confident the investigators are close to solving this case. JMO