Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #70

[SouthAussie]

It doesn't have to be one family or the other. FACS and the Salvation Army also had lawyers representing them at the inquest and may well have had access to documents. Then there's the police, and the several POI who had leave to appear, although some of them I definitely can't see getting cosy with DM.

Foster family might have shared their own statements with some in the media at an earlier time, not foreseeing that they would become suspects or the use that might be made of the material.

No it doesn't have to be. But I think it is.

I am not sure why BS would leak info to the DM (for example, and besides the fact he sued them ).

There were a few releases of police brief info by the Coroner, then lots of publications had a looky loo at that.

This is a DM 'exclusive'. No-one else seems to be touching it. They are not even regurgitating the DM's articles ("as stated by the DM"). I wonder why.

imo

 

[katydid23]

My gut is telling name that the Task Force is leaking this stuff to the DM as a way to rattle the Foster parents.

I don't understand what the implication is with an electrical device that was messed with or had content deleted, 3 days before William went missing. Are they implying the Fosterers were secretly discussing killing him or selling him and they deleted their secret texts then put their evil plan into motion?

 

[JLZ]

I don't understand what the implication is with an electrical device that was messed with or had content deleted, 3 days before William went missing.

What are you referring to? The texts, or the social worker's email, or the SIM card?

 

[Marg944]

By BRITTANY CHAIN and CANDACE SUTTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

PUBLISHED: 12:26 AEST, 24 May 2022 | UPDATED: 12:34 AEST, 24 May 2022

William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to mysterious charge of lying to the top secret NSW Crime Commission​

• William Tyrrell's foster mother in court for the first time over fresh charge
• She is accused of lying to a secretive crime commission during investigation
• The foster mother and father are both facing other charges not linked to William

William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded not guilty to giving false or misleading information to the NSW Crime Commission over an unknown matter.

The 59-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was represented in Downing Centre Local Court on Tuesday over the fresh charge.

She has maintained her innocence and will fight the charge when it returns to court in June.

The foster mother did not appear in court on Tuesday and suppression orders protecting her identity and specifics of the case were extended.

William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to lying

 

[JLZ]

ABC version here: William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

Does this (BBM) mean FFC is no longer a POI?:

Although the foster mother was initially ruled out as a suspect, she became a person of interest for a period of time last year.

 

[SouthAussie]

The DT says the matter will return to court on 7th June.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-pleads-not-guilty-to-misleading-nsw-crime-commission/news-story/0e8a190f40d03dac153ee45c0bcab03d?amp&nk=aa348a6b81213d600b8aca1e41f99d73-1653360918

 

[SouthAussie]

ABC version here: William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

Does this (BBM) mean FFC is no longer a POI?:

Although the foster mother was initially ruled out as a suspect, she became a person of interest for a period of time last year.

"However, a police informant involved with the case attended and sat in the public gallery."

Who would that be? And how would ABC know it was a police informant? Unless it was something that was revealed during one of the mentions.

 

[bearbear]

why does ffc still have name suppression, shes surely no longer a foster carer and no longer linked to williams sister, so there is no longer any danger of any childs identity being revealed

 

[SouthAussie]

why does ffc still have name suppression, shes surely no longer a foster carer and no longer linked to williams sister, so there is no longer any danger of any childs identity being revealed

I don't know why it bothers people so much. It is not as if anyone is going to suddenly come forward and say "oh yes, 7½ years ago I saw FM doing such-and-such". Nobody is going to have that kind of memory. imo

The (alleged assault) case involves a child. Even slimy pedos have their names suppressed about cases involving children. To protect the children (so they say).

And the Crime Commission usually deals with secretive matters (at least they are secret while the Crime Commission is having its hearings). Suppression is understandable in secretive matters.

imo

 

[Awakening]

DBM because I found the link

 

[JLZ]

"However, a police informant involved with the case attended and sat in the public gallery."

Who would that be? And how would ABC know it was a police informant? Unless it was something that was revealed during one of the mentions.

I think it means the police officer who laid the charge.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it means the police officer who laid the charge.

Yes. Could be. I know they sometimes rock up to the trials to watch the proceedings.

 

[Awakening]

I believe the current suppression has little to do with them being former foster carers but because they've received threats of violence.

"Magistrate Robyn Denes continued a series of suppression orders which prevent the parents being named or the nature of the allegations against them being published.

The orders are in place to prevent prejudice to the proper administration of justice, to stop undue distress and embarrassment and for the parties' safety."

William Tyrrell: Cloud could linger over foster parents for YEARS

Magistrate Robyn Denes questioned whether there was any public interest in the case other than the 'connection between other matters' and 'click bait'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marg944]

It looks like the FFFC only has one charge of lying?

"The 56-year-old foster mother was hit with the fresh charge by NSW Police last Friday.

Her lawyer, Sharon Ramsden, told the court her client would be pleading not guilty to the charge, The Australian reports."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717145/William-Tyrrells-foster-MOTHER-charged-lying-secretive-crime-commission.html

Whereas FMFC has two charges.....

"The man — who cannot be named for legal reasons — has already pleaded not guilty to two charges of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/william-tyrrell-foster-father-denies-giving-false-evidence/100929076

 

[LolaAngelina]

I believe the current suppression has little to do with them being former foster carers but because they've received threats of violence.

"Magistrate Robyn Denes continued a series of suppression orders which prevent the parents being named or the nature of the allegations against them being published.

The orders are in place to prevent prejudice to the proper administration of justice, to stop undue distress and embarrassment and for the parties' safety."

William Tyrrell: Cloud could linger over foster parents for YEARS

Magistrate Robyn Denes questioned whether there was any public interest in the case other than the 'connection between other matters' and 'click bait'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks for posting that. Hopefully people can stop asking why their identity is suppressed.

 

[LolaAngelina]

ABC version here: William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

Does this (BBM) mean FFC is no longer a POI?:

Although the foster mother was initially ruled out as a suspect, she became a person of interest for a period of time last year.

That’s certainly the way l read that.

 

[bearbear]

I don't know why it bothers people so much. It is not as if anyone is going to suddenly come forward and say "oh yes, 7½ years ago I saw FM doing such-and-such". Nobody is going to have that kind of memory. imo

The (alleged assault) case involves a child. Even slimy pedos have their names suppressed about cases involving children. To protect the children (so they say).

And the Crime Commission usually deals with secretive matters (at least they are secret while the Crime Commission is having its hearings). Suppression is understandable in secretive matters.

imo

i guess it bothers me because ive always thought the fcs guilty of williams disappearance,
and i feel because they have money and educated and know influential people, politicians etc, that everyone believed their spin right from the start, in my opinion, the whole thing seems to have been very cleverly staged, and they were allowed to hide from the public when their identity may have triggered someones memory and helped solve this much earlier, and still hiding now, that sense of entitlement and priviledge,
they can afford good legal counsel and a publicity management firm to control their narrative,
and if guilty, theyll probably get away with it, especially if blaming ffcs mental health
it bothers me they have never apologised, publicly at least, for the pain williams disappearance has caused his bio family
and now these recent police charges of alleged assault and intimidation of a child for which theyll possibly escape conviction for as well
it seems very unfair if a person has money and or influence they can pay their way out of anything,
so yes it bothers me they are still hiding, even if innocent of all the above

 

[SouthAussie]

i guess it bothers me because ive always thought the fcs guilty of williams disappearance,
and i feel because they have money and educated and know influential people, politicians etc, that everyone believed their spin right from the start, in my opinion, the whole thing seems to have been very cleverly staged, and they were allowed to hide from the public when their identity may have triggered someones memory and helped solve this much earlier, and still hiding now, that sense of entitlement and priviledge,
they can afford good legal counsel and a publicity management firm to control their narrative,
and if guilty, theyll probably get away with it, especially if blaming ffcs mental health
it bothers me they have never apologised, publicly at least, for the pain williams disappearance has caused his bio family
and now these recent police charges of alleged assault and intimidation of a child for which theyll possibly escape conviction for as well
it seems very unfair if a person has money and or influence they can pay their way out of anything,
so yes it bothers me they are still hiding, even if innocent of all the above

But they could be innocent, bear. We don't know. There are too many possibilities to be sure and want them exposed. imo

I think their lives have been pretty hellacious for years now.
Because people have their own opinions does not mean they are guilty.

We just don't know.

And until we do know, it seems a little/lot unjust to want even more public hostility thrown at them.

imo

 

[bearbear]

But they could be innocent, bear. We don't know. There are too many possibilities to be sure and want them exposed. imo

I think their lives have been pretty hellacious for years now.
Because people have their own opinions does not mean they are guilty.

We just don't know.

And until we do know, it seems a little/lot unjust to want even more public hostility thrown at them.

imo

yes they may be innocent and their life a living hell, and my and other peoples dislike for them of course doesnt make them guilty, i dont wish them harm but i do wish they would stop hiding and be honest, and at least apologise for losing william, at least show some humility
apologies for my angry rant which isnt helpful and doesmt help william

 

[LolaAngelina]

i guess it bothers me because ive always thought the fcs guilty of williams disappearance,
and i feel because they have money and educated and know influential people, politicians etc, that everyone believed their spin right from the start, in my opinion, the whole thing seems to have been very cleverly staged, and they were allowed to hide from the public when their identity may have triggered someones memory and helped solve this much earlier, and still hiding now, that sense of entitlement and priviledge,
they can afford good legal counsel and a publicity management firm to control their narrative,
and if guilty, theyll probably get away with it, especially if blaming ffcs mental health
it bothers me they have never apologised, publicly at least, for the pain williams disappearance has caused his bio family
and now these recent police charges of alleged assault and intimidation of a child for which theyll possibly escape conviction for as well
it seems very unfair if a person has money and or influence they can pay their way out of anything,
so yes it bothers me they are still hiding, even if innocent of all the above

BBM Can you provide any evidence for this opinion? I have never seen anything to that indicates they have any connection to politicians or anymore influence than the average person. As for having money, they aren’t billionaires. They had a loan for their home and likely had saved their money as they didn’t have kids until mid forties.