Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[SouthAussie]

Just jumping off your post ...

I cant remember???? Did Police ever track down RP's car (also a white station wagon) and forensically test it???? I can not recall this happening???


I don't really think it was the white colour just by itself, per say, but that combined with the "station wagon" shape that was important ....

But yes SA you make good point about the timing.....

And remember those 'fraudulent' affidavits that they were going to charge Jubes with, but then they didn't.

Could they have been the submissions for those search warrants - due to the cars not really being there but being a covert police ploy to gain search warrants?


I don't think we have ever heard about the testing of RP's car.
But then we didn't know that FA was a POI until the inquest did we? Wasn't he the 'previously unnamed POI' that was to appear at the inquest?

 

[SLouTh]

But then we didn't know that FA was a POI until the inquest did we? Wasn't he the 'previously unnamed POI' that was to appear at the inquest?

Correct we found out about FA on 3 Sept 2019...... after GO was called to give evidence......

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #46

Ten news showed a teaser on William for tonight.

www.websleuths.com

 

[bearbear]

there was also an aerial view of a white station wagon, seen using sixmaps, parked on the property opposite where ffc allegedly saw the cars parked that day, so could easily have belonged to that property owner at the time, the aerial view of that property has changed now so i guess updated, but there should be a photo of it in the old threads here if anyone wants to see it

 

[JLZ]

And remember those 'fraudulent' affidavits that they were going to charge Jubes with, but then they didn't.

Could they have been the submissions for those search warrants - due to the cars not really being there but being a covert police ploy to gain search warrants?


I don't think we have ever heard about the testing of RP's car.
But then we didn't know that FA was a POI until the inquest did we? Wasn't he the 'previously unnamed POI' that was to appear at the inquest?

I've been wondering how your theory about the cars being part of a strategy to obtain warrants would work without false affidavits. I think if the affidavit issue was as blatant as that--lying to the magistrate that cars had been sighted when the sighting was sheer invention by GJ--then the charges would not have been dropped.

 

[SouthAussie]

I've been wondering how your theory about the cars being part of a strategy to obtain warrants would work without false affidavits. I think if the affidavit issue was as blatant as that--lying to the magistrate that cars had been sighted when the sighting was sheer invention by GJ--then the charges would not have been dropped.

I think it is possible that the police decided that they probably shouldn't let magistrates know that they use covert ways to get search warrants. I feel pretty sure that it is a practise that has been used here and there.

It is also possible that a higher-up might have known about/authorised the covert operation. So they backed off charging him with that.

They obviously made the decision not to charge him for some reason. And I think it could be because it would have harmed something they cared about.

imo

(That is, of course, if it was a covert operation. But it is the only way I can think of to make all the cogs fit.)

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

The "white singlet" has been removed because it was opinion stated as fact without MSM or LE links to support.

Please move on from that discussion.

Thank you.

 

[JLZ]

I think it is possible that the police decided that they probably shouldn't let magistrates know that they use covert ways to get search warrants. I feel pretty sure that it is a practise that has been used here and there.

It is also possible that a higher-up might have known about/authorised the covert operation. So they backed off charging him with that.

They obviously made the decision not to charge him for some reason. And I think it could be because it would have harmed something they cared about.

imo

(That is, of course, if it was a covert operation. But it is the only way I can think of to make all the cogs fit.)

You call it a covert operation, but that's pretty euphemistic if you mean making a false affidavit. And it doesn't matter if the higher-ups authorized it, that just means they'd be up on a charge too. Maximum penalty 10 years' imprisonment (perjury).

I was trying to think how else it could work, like put it out there that the cars were seen and hope someone will do a Crimestoppers that TJ a suss fellow who lives 20km away has a car like that. But the magistrate's going to want to know why that sort of car is of interest, it can't just be that someone thought he might have done it. So back again to the false affidavit.

 

[SouthAussie]

You call it a covert operation, but that's pretty euphemistic if you mean making a false affidavit. And it doesn't matter if the higher-ups authorized it, that just means they'd be up on a charge too. Maximum penalty 10 years' imprisonment (perjury).

I was trying to think how else it could work, like put it out there that the cars were seen and hope someone will do a Crimestoppers that TJ a suss fellow who lives 20km away has a car like that. But the magistrate's going to want to know why that sort of car is of interest, it can't just be that someone thought he might have done it. So back again to the false affidavit.

Well, it would be covert wouldn't it? If it involved FM saying she saw the cars one year prior and the police knew about it way back then. I wouldn't call that overt.

However, as it is not a theory I am tied to, I am happy to hear about other theories why the police would publicly claim there was a false affidavit then not go ahead with a charge.

What did they care about enough not to go ahead? A higher-up they didn't realise knew before they blabbed to the press? A police tactic that they decided they didn't want to admit to? Something else unrelated?

As someone else said, that was a carefully orchestrated televised police interview. And (my thought) that is when we heard about the cars.

 

[JLZ]

Well, it would be covert wouldn't it? If it involved FM saying she saw the cars one year prior and the police knew about it way back then. I wouldn't call that overt.

However, as it is not a theory I am tied to, I am happy to hear about other theories why the police would publicly claim there was a false affidavit then not go ahead with a charge.

What did they care about enough not to go ahead? A higher-up they didn't realise knew before they blabbed to the press? A police tactic that they decided they didn't want to admit to? Something else unrelated?

As someone else said, that was a carefully orchestrated televised police interview. And (my thought) that is when we heard about the cars.

BBM, we talked about it at the time and someone posted articles about police not preparing affidavits correctly; it might have been to do with the way they were witnessed?

 

[SLouTh]

As someone else said, that was a carefully orchestrated televised police interview.

I have also wondered if the CO Chanel 7 Documentary about FA was a Police media strategy????
IMO

 

[iiiii's]

You call it a covert operation, but that's pretty euphemistic if you mean making a false affidavit. And it doesn't matter if the higher-ups authorized it, that just means they'd be up on a charge too. Maximum penalty 10 years' imprisonment (perjury).

I was trying to think how else it could work, like put it out there that the cars were seen and hope someone will do a Crimestoppers that TJ a suss fellow who lives 20km away has a car like that. But the magistrate's going to want to know why that sort of car is of interest, it can't just be that someone thought he might have done it. So back again to the false affidavit.

Crimestoppers was created so that the police would anonymously report their lucky breakthrough tips to further their investigations. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Crimestoppers was created so that the police would anonymously report their lucky breakthrough tips to further their investigations. IMO

"It all began in July 1976 with a fatal shooting at a filling station in Albuquerque, New Mexico in the USA. The police had no leads and the investigating detective had to find a way to solve the case. Somebody would have more information, but how could he reach out to him or her?

The detective contacted a local television station for a reconstruction and provided a special telephone number people could call without mentioning their name. Within 72 hours a person called and identified the car leaving the scene at the time of the killing. This person said he had good reason not to be involved in the case.

With this experience in mind and with the help of the public, media and law enforcement, the detective started a movement that has evolved into an extensive network of Crime Stoppers organisations around the world affiliated to the Crime Stoppers International Foundation."

"Crime Stoppers International is a umbrella organization for affiliated national and local Crime Stoppers programmes in 24 countries."

Crime Stoppers International

csiworld.org

 

[SouthAussie]

"NSW Crime Stoppers have urged Crime Stoppers websites in 26 countries to post a message about William's abduction last year, urging anybody with information on the case to contact Australian police."

1 March 2015:

Search for Spiderman-loving toddler William Tyrell goes global

NSW Crime Stoppers have urged Crime Stoppers websites in 26 countries to post a message about William's abduction last year, urging anybody with information on the case to contact Australian police.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Mauig’ma]

Apologies for quoting myself ..... I was just looking up some info in Jubes Book, I Catch Killers, and noticed that PS states that he saw those 2 cars parked there on Benaroon Drive two days before William went missing ....

From the Chapter "There's No Death That Is A Good Death" in I Catch Killers, by G Jubelin.


Interesting .....IMO...... That the 2 cars have been seen ..... and by someone else, bedsides FM .....

Someone living on that street, at the time, MAY, have had knowledge about them and have withheld it for some reason????

IMO and some speculation

Imo PS said he saw the cars to take the pressure off of him. Moo

 

[JBowie]

Crimestoppers was created so that the police would anonymously report their lucky breakthrough tips to further their investigations. IMO

As above, it was created for anonymous tips from the public, however, I guess there's nothing to stop cops (or their associates) from phoning in their own 'tips' should they want to push a particular personal barrow.

Interesting thought.

 

[SouthAussie]

As above, it was created for anonymous tips from the public, however, I guess there's nothing to stop cops (or their associates) from phoning in their own 'tips' should they want to push a particular personal barrow.

Interesting thought.

There is also nothing to stop people with ill intent calling in their own tips if they want to push a particular barrow.

I think it was Mr Craddock (at the inquest) who said something about false tips being called into Crime Stoppers that were time wasters.

I'll have to try to find the link for that later. (Because I am not positive it was Mr Craddock, it might have been Jubes who said that in a presser.)

Or maybe @drsleuth remembers.

 

[deugirtni]

Sure, police have lifted a lot of rocks and dragged in the low lives that dwell there for interrogation, but the referenced Sky News reporter in that video stated: "A man wrongly accused in relation to William's disappearance sued [NSW Police] ..."

Note the verb accused.

Who was actually accused publicly in relation to WT's disappearance? Seems to me that it would need to be a wrongful public accusation in order to be grounds for a large payout.

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has been accused of lying to the NSW's crime commission - less than a week after being charged with stalking and intimidation.

www.skynews.com.au

I'm thinking this publication got it wrong, and they may be referring perhaps to Spedding's lawsuit with one or more of the newspapers for defaming him? Or got it wrong that the trial that just took place between Spedding and NSWPD had already happened.. or... something like that? It sure wouldn't be the first time MSM got something wrong. imo.

 

[JBowie]

I'm thinking this publication got it wrong, and they may be referring perhaps to Spedding's lawsuit with one or more of the newspapers for defaming him? Or got it wrong that the trial that just took place between Spedding and NSWPD had already happened.. or... something like that? It sure wouldn't be the first time MSM got something wrong. imo.

I think the Sky News reporter, Andrew Clennell, was probably referring to Paul Savage as the other potential litigant.

Also, there's this from The Australian as linked in post #556 (BBM):

Unconfirmed reports also emerged on Sunday of NSW Police spending almost $1m – half in damages and half in legal costs – paying out an unidentified person of interest.

The Australian confirmed that another suspect in the case, William “Bill” Spedding, who is currently suing police, was not the unidentified person in the reports who had reached the settlement. The washing machine repairman, who was accused of abducting the three-year-old, is suing police for malicious prosecution and collateral abuse of process, in the NSW Supreme Court.

 

[JBowie]

I'll have to try to find the link for that later. (Because I am not positive it was Mr Craddock, it might have been Jubes who said that in a presser.)

Or maybe @drsleuth remembers.

Jubelin said in his book that police were distracted by people calling in and claiming to be clairvoyants or having had dreams about William and, IIRC, he went public to say that police did not need/want such distractions.

 

[deugirtni]

I think the Sky News reporter, Andrew Clennell, was probably referring to Paul Savage as the other potential litigant.

Also, there's this from The Australian as linked in post #556 (BBM):

Unconfirmed reports also emerged on Sunday of NSW Police spending almost $1m – half in damages and half in legal costs – paying out an unidentified person of interest.

The Australian confirmed that another suspect in the case, William “Bill” Spedding, who is currently suing police, was not the unidentified person in the reports who had reached the settlement. The washing machine repairman, who was accused of abducting the three-year-old, is suing police for malicious prosecution and collateral abuse of process, in the NSW Supreme Court.

It doesn't make sense though... because during the late 2021 police searches, - from memory, wasn't that when it was said that PS was only considering suing police? And if it is written that NSWPD spent almost $1M, with half being legal costs, one might have to assume it was an award made in court, with incurred legal costs, and not just a 'settlement'... and we know that it takes a long time for cases to actually make it to court.. sometimes years, and especially considering the Covid situaiton over the past 2+ years. And to win a defamation case.. that person would have to have had a clean reputation to begin with, which is not something any of the convicted pedos had going for them, ie TJ, the priest, the GAPA guy, etc etc etc etc etc. The only people that were publicly outted as potential suspects in the W case were BS, and PS.. BS's lawyer has stated it wasn't BS... but it seems from what we have read in MSM, it also wasn't PS. That's why I believe it's yet another discrepancy in this case. imo.

This was published Nov 2021:

A man who lived across the road from missing toddler William Tyrrell says he is considering suing NSW Police after being pursued as a suspect, as the search for the child’s remains on Sunday uncovered a small piece of fabric near a creek bed.

On Sunday, Kendall resident Paul Savage – who was never charged by police following the disappearance of the toddler in 2014 – told The Australian that he was “waiting for things to settle down” before making a decision.

Neighbour mulls adding to William Tyrell ‘suspects’ suing police (theaustralian.com.au)