Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[KateM]

And to add, how many people do you think go to a cafe and order 2 coffee's within, say, an hour period?

Exactly, which is why the shop owner may not remember every single customer...

 

[SouthAussie]

From memory wasn't the receipt one not a paper receipt but one BS was said to have found on his credit card or debit card details and wasn't it a friend who found it for him ?

Yes, I believe it was Col who found the transaction for him on a bank statement.

 

[kiwi50]

Your bolded part SA, I think this was the same person whose phone then fell in a toilet , hence no photos This was discussed at the inquest.

Thats good that it was discussed at the inquest.

 

[KateM]

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #44

Was the assembly an indoor / outdoor affair ? Don’t get it Me either.

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Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 23s23 seconds ago
The court heard another local mother who was at the assembly likely took some photos there on the day William disappeared, but Mrs Spedding said she then “dropped her phone in the toilet”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

That does sound a bit suspicious, although not impossible.

 

[T-dawg420]

If they had harmed him themselves or accidentally and covered it up---why would they say he wouldn't have wandered away into the bush? It seems they would want people to think that might have happened. JMO

Good question. Possibly to create the narrative that William was “boy taken” and not “boy lost”? (FFC’s words in the same episode). Possibly because they Wanted to avoid any kind of negligence being attributed to them?

Or perhaps they are telling the truth. That is a very real possibility imo, just like all the other possibilities.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I think it is possible that there are others who have never followed the details about all of the POIs. So they are not aware of the red flags and inconsistencies involving them. The things that have never been resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

Also, if some of the things were eventually cleared up to the investigators satisfaction but wasn’t relayed to the media, couldn’t the same be happening with the FPs? JMO

 

[JBowie]

From memory wasn't the receipt one not a paper receipt but one BS was said to have found on his credit card or debit card details and wasn't it a friend who found it for him ?

Overington p276:

The court was shown the time-stamped receipt for two mugs of coffee, a ham-and-cheese croissant and a citrus tart.

 

[KateM]

Good question. Possibly to create the narrative that William was “boy taken” and not “boy lost”? (FFC’s words in the same episode). Possibly because they Wanted to avoid any kind of negligence being attributed to them?

Or perhaps they are telling the truth. That is a very real possibility imo, just like all the other possibilities.

I think it was probably to avoid any negligence claim. They have never admitted that there was negligence at play that morning.

 

[JBowie]

Overington p276:

[In the Coroner’s Court, August 2019] Mr Spedding was taken through his appointment book, which showed him at the ‘Tyrrell House’ as he called it before William went missing but not on the day; he was also able to confirm that the parts for the washing machine hadn’t arrived by 10.30 am on 12 September, giving him no good reason to be heading down that way.

 

[SouthAussie]

Overington p276:

The court was shown the time-stamped receipt for two mugs of coffee, a ham-and-cheese croissant and a citrus tart.

I think you will find that the book skips over some of the details.

His friend CY first found the transaction on a bank statement. Presumably they then went and ordered a copy of the actual receipt, which was shown at the inquest. It is not clear when they did that. CY never mentioned ordering a copy of the receipt, so presumably it was ordered sometime later.

CY also stated that the washing machine part arrived the day before William disappeared - on the Thursday. I believe it was later discovered that one part had arrived, and another was still coming. (Not sure about that.)

CY was very verbal about BS' details.

This article is paywalled ... but it speaks of the washing machine part arriving on the Thursday prior to William's disappearance.

Former local businessman the focus of William Tyrell investigation

A former Wellington Business owner and now washing machine repairman has become the focus of the investigation into...

www.wellingtontimes.com.au

 

[LIBPOP]

Since the FGM’s was taken in for forensic testing, why wasn’t there a call for information from the public on whether anyone saw the vehicle on the day of WT’s disappearance or the day of the FFC’s trip to Port Mac airport?

 

[Mauig’ma]

I hope you are feeling better and continue to get stronger from now on.

As to post above, I'm not sure I agree. I have seen examples, where parents or spouses of missing people have said or remembered inconsistent details or timelines, which made people suspicious. And then they turned out to the innocent, just nervous, anxious and upset, so their memories were affected.

Thank you katydid23. Means a lot. I suppose in some cases there can be. The stress alone could potentially cause minor inconsistencies. I agree. But I want to emphasize the word minor. An example would be if ffc forgot which shoes she had on when she was running around looking for William. But ffc forgetting about the 2 cars out front or not mentioning the short drive she took that morning is something she should have mentioned imo to 000 that fateful day. She told the triple 0 operator about running around everywhere else that morning. Why not mention it to the operator to let them know she’s gone to the stables and back so they know she’s looked that far? It’s all hinky to me. Imo & Moo.

 

[Mauig’ma]

If they had harmed him themselves or accidentally and covered it up---why would they say he wouldn't have wandered away into the bush? It seems they would want people to think that might have happened. JMO

Imo because that’s the only thing they thought happened at first anyway

 

[JBowie]

His friend CY first found the transaction on a bank statement. Presumably they then went and ordered a copy of the actual receipt, which was shown at the inquest. It is not clear when they did that. CY never mentioned ordering a copy of the receipt, so presumably it was ordered sometime later.

Did Craddock, or anyone else, challenge the validity of the receipt presented to the court?

CY also stated that the washing machine part arrived the day before William disappeared - on the Thursday. I believe it was later discovered that one part had arrived, and another was still coming. (Not sure about that.)

CY was very verbal about BS' details.

This article is paywalled ... but it speaks of the washing machine part arriving on the Thursday prior to William's disappearance.

Former local businessman the focus of William Tyrell investigation

A former Wellington Business owner and now washing machine repairman has become the focus of the investigation into...

www.wellingtontimes.com.au

OK, so the net effect is that the parts required to complete the repair job were not on hand at 10.30 am on 12 September.

 

[Mauig’ma]

I've responded above in regard to the 'receipt' that could have been anyone's.

Come on.. Really? It just so happened he had a receipt for coffee that day in his possession. Imo he was exactly where he said he was that day. Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

No need for an accomplice, just a receipt around the time of his alibi for 2 people.

Wouldn’t that be difficult for most people to find someone who was there at the exact time he needed the receipt to be? Moo

 

[SouthAussie]

Did Craddock, or anyone else, challenge the validity of the receipt presented to the court?

I wasn't at the inquest, so I don't know. But I sure as heck hope they saw both the transaction on the bank statement and the time dated receipt. To prove that it was a receipt from a transaction on the Speddings joint bank account.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Yes, I believe it was Col who found the transaction for him on a bank statement.

I just want to thank you SouthAussie for Always taking everyone’s thoughts and ideas into play. You never make anyone who posts feel inadequate or like they don’t know what they’re talking about. And that personally makes me happy. Some aren’t as open minded as you. Even though you don’t think the foster carers aren’t involved you still consider everyone else’s thoughts and ideas. Thank you SouthAussie

 

[JBowie]

Wouldn’t that be difficult for most people to find someone who was there at the exact time he needed the receipt to be? Moo

Let's look at what is being said here:

Going by an entry on a bank statement for a credit card or debit card transaction, it's said that a matching receipt is produced. Now in order to do that, and to have validity, the unique EFT transaction number within the bank's system has to match the EFT transaction number printed in the receipt that was produced on the cafe's point of sale system which, as well as detailing the items purchased, contains an approved EFTpos payment receipt section.

No way can someone pick up a random cafe receipt and then have that match their own actual bank transaction history. Only one transaction can have the unique EFTpos reference number appearing both on the receipt and the associated bank record.

Put another way, for a given transaction the merchant's bank record of payments received has a common unique reference number with the customers' bank record of payments made.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Let's look at what is being said here:

Going by an entry on a bank statement for a credit card or debit card transaction, it's said that a matching receipt is produced. Now in order to do that, and to have validity, the unique EFT transaction number within the bank's system has to match the EFT transaction number printed in the receipt that was produced on the cafe's point of sale system which, as well as detailing the items purchased, contains an approved EFTpos payment receipt section.

No way can someone pick up a random cafe receipt and then have that match their own actual bank transaction history. Only one transaction can have the unique EFTpos reference number appearing both on the receipt and the associated bank record.

That’s what I was getting at. Sorry if I confused you or anyone else. Yes it has to be BS receipt no doubt about it. Moo