Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[T-dawg420]

Seeing as how these things were not done until GJ was on the case, I don't think it is unreasonable to suspect that it was GJ who decided to even have suspicions about Spedding. And for me, I link that to his prior involvement with Spedding's ex-wife's brother, the horrible child rapist/killer, I think his name is JH. Although the search of Spedding's property was done just before GJ was officially put on the case, I believe I read just recently that he was fully aware of what police were about to publicly do to him, and according to GJ, he had recommended against the public display?

Yes it was former Detective Jubelin who took BS’s ex brother in law into custody over a decade earlier.

Bill Spedding's ex-brother-in-law a murdering rapist, court told

An accused paedophile questioned over the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell was related to a murdering rapist.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes it was former Detective Jubelin who took BS’s ex brother in law into custody over a decade earlier.

Bill Spedding's ex-brother-in-law a murdering rapist, court told

An accused paedophile questioned over the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell was related to a murdering rapist.

www.smh.com.au

BBM
"Police investigating the Tyrrell case had found out the claims through a tip to Crime Stoppers, soon after William was last seen at his foster grandmother's home in Kendall."

Bill Spedding is still haunted after being outed as a William Tyrrell suspect, now he's waiting for a judge's verdict

He was outed and then cleared as a suspect in William Tyrrell's disappearance — now Bill Spedding is waiting to see if he has proved police maliciously prosecuted him during the investigation.

www.abc.net.au

 

[iiiii's]

But the shop owner can't even remember seeing Margaret. Maybe she has a bad memory?

IIRC the article that was published casting doubt on BS about the assembly and the cafe was published in January 2015. At the time it seemed to me it was possible that police were only making enquiries from these venues for witnesses, 4 months after WT disappeared. A lot of what is being relied upon now to show that BS was highly questionable back then, was at the time, to my mind, highly questionable journalistic and police tactics, which I think have shown themselves to be questionable, through ensuing court cases. IMo

 

[SouthAussie]

IIRC the article that was published casting doubt on BS about the assembly and the cafe was published in January 2015. At the time it seemed to me it was possible that police were only making enquiries from these venues for witnesses, 4 months after WT disappeared. A lot of what is being relied upon now to show that BS was highly questionable back then, was at the time, to my mind, highly questionable journalistic and police tactics, which I think have shown themselves to be questionable, through ensuing court cases. IMo

And the exact same thing happened to the FM in Nov 2021. "Highly questionable journalistic and police tactics." imo

As some of us have stated before, the parallels in tactics are there.

 

[T-dawg420]

BBM
"Police investigating the Tyrrell case had found out the claims through a tip to Crime Stoppers, soon after William was last seen at his foster grandmother's home in Kendall."

Bill Spedding is still haunted after being outed as a William Tyrrell suspect, now he's waiting for a judge's verdict

He was outed and then cleared as a suspect in William Tyrrell's disappearance — now Bill Spedding is waiting to see if he has proved police maliciously prosecuted him during the investigation.

www.abc.net.au

couple of quotes from the article linked below. This is still to be ruled on, but there does seem to be evidence that shows an “oversight” by investigators on the historical sex charges on BS.

The court was told a key witness in the case, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, told police in 2016 that the allegations against Mr Speeding were false before he was charged.

Mr Spedding’s barrister Adrian Canceri said police were also aware of a previous court judgment that showed “compelling evidence that the allegations had been coaxed or tutored”.

The court was told a note about the witness’s contradictory evidence, which was favourable to Mr Spedding, was not initially disclosed to Mr Spedding’s legal representatives because of an “oversight”.

“In hindsight, yes, I agree,” Detective Brennan said when asked if he should have disclosed the note.

“It certainly wasn’t an attempt to hide anything.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/oversight-william-tyrrell-cops-candid-admission-in-court/news-story/fa9512b13f0827019aef813ca298d0cc

 

[SouthAussie]

couple of quotes from the article linked below. This is still to be ruled on, but there does seem to be evidence that shows an “oversight” by investigators on the historical sex charges on BS.

The court was told a key witness in the case, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, told police in 2016 that the allegations against Mr Speeding were false before he was charged.

Mr Spedding’s barrister Adrian Canceri said police were also aware of a previous court judgment that showed “compelling evidence that the allegations had been coaxed or tutored”.

The court was told a note about the witness’s contradictory evidence, which was favourable to Mr Spedding, was not initially disclosed to Mr Spedding’s legal representatives because of an “oversight”.

“In hindsight, yes, I agree,” Detective Brennan said when asked if he should have disclosed the note.

“It certainly wasn’t an attempt to hide anything.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/oversight-william-tyrrell-cops-candid-admission-in-court/news-story/fa9512b13f0827019aef813ca298d0cc

I wonder if it is still to be ruled on. It seems a long time for a ruling in a lawsuit.
I have looked several times for the decision.

 

[T-dawg420]

BBM
"Police investigating the Tyrrell case had found out the claims through a tip to Crime Stoppers, soon after William was last seen at his foster grandmother's home in Kendall."

Bill Spedding is still haunted after being outed as a William Tyrrell suspect, now he's waiting for a judge's verdict

He was outed and then cleared as a suspect in William Tyrrell's disappearance — now Bill Spedding is waiting to see if he has proved police maliciously prosecuted him during the investigation.

www.abc.net.au

firstly, an anonymous tipoff can be made by literally anyone. And imo the police would surely have known the history of BS early, including his ex brother in law and the historical sex charges on BS. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be very good detectives imo.

edit for spelling, I should really learn to proof read better (shakes head lol).

 

[SouthAussie]

firstly, an anonymous tipoff can be made by literally anyone. And imo the police would surely have known the history of BS early, including his ex brother in law and the historical sex charges on BS. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be very good detectives imo.

edit for spelling, I should really learn to proof read better (shakes head lol).

My point was that posts are insinuating that the focus on BS happened via Jubes. When, in fact, it happened due to the Crime Stoppers tip ... soon after William disappeared. Was it an anonymous tip? Or did the tipster leave their name and contact details?

For those who have not done a Crime Stoppers tip, there is the option to leave your details so that police can contact you for further information. IIRC you are also given a file number for your tip, so you can follow up further if you wish.

 

[Couldbe]

The thing is, imho, all of these other people in the world who may have inconsistencies in regard to that day, are meaningless when the very people tasked with the care and control of William, tasked with keeping him safe, the very people who last saw him alive, the very people from whose property he vanished from, the person who had a hand injury from the same morning of his disappearance, the person who took a drive in someone else's vehicle at some point right around the time he first went missing, the day-to-day carer who was discovered to have a block of deleted texts only in regard to communications with the other carer, the people who were physically present with W for the approximately 16 hours (from the McD's photos) after anyone else on this earth physically saw him, have not been thoroughly investigated themselves, and their multitude of discrepancies examined, as the very first line of business, as happens in virtually every other crime case everywhere. imo.

JMO - Can add also, questions about the time and meta data about the photos allegedly taken by the FFC; Coroner Harriet Grahame requested more investigation into the relevant photos..

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/neverbeforeseen-photos-of-william-tyrrell-minutes-before-abduction/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

 

[KateM]

"Them" - only one of "them" has been named a POI not both. AFAIK

That's true, but if the POI is guilty, the spouse would allegedly be covering for them IMO.

 

[LolaAngelina]

couple of quotes from the article linked below. This is still to be ruled on, but there does seem to be evidence that shows an “oversight” by investigators on the historical sex charges on BS.

The court was told a key witness in the case, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, told police in 2016 that the allegations against Mr Speeding were false before he was charged.

Mr Spedding’s barrister Adrian Canceri said police were also aware of a previous court judgment that showed “compelling evidence that the allegations had been coaxed or tutored”.

The court was told a note about the witness’s contradictory evidence, which was favourable to Mr Spedding, was not initially disclosed to Mr Spedding’s legal representatives because of an “oversight”.

“In hindsight, yes, I agree,” Detective Brennan said when asked if he should have disclosed the note.

“It certainly wasn’t an attempt to hide anything.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/oversight-william-tyrrell-cops-candid-admission-in-court/news-story/fa9512b13f0827019aef813ca298d0cc

JMO - Can add also, questions about the time and meta data about the photos allegedly taken by the FFC; Coroner Harriet Grahame requested more investigation into the relevant photos..

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/neverbeforeseen-photos-of-william-tyrrell-minutes-before-abduction/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

The coroner is not questioning that it was fm who took the photos.

 

[KateM]

And the exact same thing happened to the FM in Nov 2021. "Highly questionable journalistic and police tactics." imo

As some of us have stated before, the parallels in tactics are there.

Was BS charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission?

 

[KateM]

The coroner is not questioning that it was fm who took the photos.

Why haven't we heard of the results into the investigation into the metadata?

 

[KateM]

The thing is, imho, all of these other people in the world who may have inconsistencies in regard to that day, are meaningless when the very people tasked with the care and control of William, tasked with keeping him safe, the very people who last saw him alive, the very people from whose property he vanished from, the person who had a hand injury from the same morning of his disappearance, the person who took a drive in someone else's vehicle at some point right around the time he first went missing, the day-to-day carer who was discovered to have a block of deleted texts only in regard to communications with the other carer, the people who were physically present with W for the approximately 16 hours (from the McD's photos) after anyone else on this earth physically saw him, have not been thoroughly investigated themselves, and their multitude of discrepancies examined, as the very first line of business, as happens in virtually every other crime case everywhere. imo.

Thank you for your post. It reminds people who the current POI is. Let's keep in mind that the police have been given testimony from a witness (That we aren't yet privy to), that implicates the FFC. Additionally both the FFC and the MFC have both been charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission.

 

[SouthAussie]

Was BS charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission?

No, he was charged with the rape of two little girls. Extraneous charges. Which, for all anyone knows, could be a similar situation to the charges of alleged assault and 'lying/misleading'.

No need to link again the ABC claim that the CC hearing is to do with William's disappearance. A member has asked the relevant journo why they said that ... AFAIK no response has been received.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you for your post. It reminds people who the current POI is. Let's keep in mind that the police have been given testimony from a witness (That we aren't yet privy to), that implicates the FFC. Additionally both the FFC and the MFC have both been charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission.

BBM They have? What is this witness testimony? (Even if the witness is not yet named, I am presuming that you have an MSM source for the actual testimony.)

 

[KateM]

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[KateM]

BBM They have? What is this witness testimony? (Even if the witness is not yet named, I am presuming that you have an MSM source for the actual testimony.)

They have new 'evidence', I meant to say.

 

[Couldbe]

The coroner is not questioning that it was fm who took the photos.

"The photographs, tendered as exhibits to the inquest into his disappearance, show William with his foster grandmother and older sister surrounded by books and toys on the veranda of the Kendall home from which he vanished.

He can be seen playing with dice and leaning forward in his Spider-Man suit.

The five photographs, which include the iconic last one of him “roaring” for the camera, were shot over two minutes and 39 seconds.

But the first three, in which William is photographed from more of a distance, were taken within a 23-second period, allegedly by William’s foster mother.

For the next two photographs, the foster mother appears to have been crouching down in front of William, who is captured with his left hand on his left knee and what appears to be dice in his right hand.

Fifteen seconds later, he is roaring into the camera"

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/neverbeforeseen-photos-of-william-tyrrell-minutes-before-abduction/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

 

[KateM]

No, he was charged with the rape of two little girls. Extraneous charges. Which, for all anyone knows, could be a similar situation to the charges of alleged assault and 'lying/misleading'.

No need to link again the ABC claim that the CC hearing is to do with William's disappearance. A member has asked the relevant journo why they said that ... AFAIK no response has been received.

"The 70-year-old was accused of sexually assaulting two young children in Sydney's south-west in 1987, despite being cleared by police at the time.

Mr Spedding has never been charged as part of the Tyrrell investigation and denies any involvement".

Police 'just doing their job' when charging former William Tyrrell suspect with child sex offences, court told

Police acted on a tip-off to Crime Stoppers before they charged a former suspect in the William Tyrrell investigation with historical child sex offences he was later cleared of, a court hears.

www.abc.net.au