Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[drsleuth]

These ’hallucinations’ for want of more in-depth explanation, can come in many different forms & can start many months before death. People can appear quite lucid, particularly in those initial stages. IMO. but I guess time will tell if there was something ‘valid‘ in his comments.

Some answers to questions related to RP's cognitive state when he made the claims from his nurses" All I did was give my best mate & a boy a lift, the boy that's missing down in Kendall"

Asked what his mood was like , answer = distressed, not his normal self

Did he do something with his head? answer = placed on my shoulder, never done that before

Questions from Swift

Died sometime last year, what was his mental capacity? Answer = he had capacity, no mental decline.

 

[SouthAussie]

Some answers to questions related to RP's cognitive state when he made the claims from his nurses" All I did was give my best mate & a boy a lift, the boy that's missing down in Kendall"

Asked what his mood was like , answer = distressed, not his normal self

Did he do something with his head? answer = placed on my shoulder, never done that before

Questions from Swift

Died sometime last year, what was his mental capacity? Answer = he had capacity, no mental decline.

I wonder how much CCTV they have of RP's car. We know that they have the shots that the Coroner released to the public. But it seems to me that the police would have tried to establish where the car got on and off the highway all along the route, and we have just been given a little bit of that information.


The new coronial documents detail how investigators have had to cobble together records of Porter's alleged travels on the mid north coast in September 2014, the month William vanished.
Data and photographs from Roads and Maritime Services cameras indicate that Porter's white stationwagon traveled around the region over several days that month.

What police know about dying man's William Tyrrell confession

Extraordinary documents have revealed how police are investigating a dying man's startling confession about Australia's most famous missing child, William Tyrrell.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

300km north would have taken RP, FA and the 'young boy' to this kind of area (Clarence River). Perhaps there is some familiarity with that area, as they were fishing buddies.


Google maps


I suspect RP didn't say that he took FA and the 'young boy' 300km north. I think he probably named where he took them, and that was translated to 300km north for the public.

IIRC FA wasn't seen anywhere for a few days after William disappeared. I wonder if RP waited around and drove him back home, or if he left FA and the young boy there and FA made his way back to Herons Creek later - with or without the young boy.

 

[Detective Willy]

For people who have been intrigued by this case, it is worth having a look at the Summer Moon-Utah Wells case.

A 5 year old girl disappeared into thin air in the US last year and there has been a fair bit of speculation as to what may have happened to her.

 

[T-dawg420]

I’d love to get the thoughts of people who know this case more than I do. In regards to a possible abduction of William, do people think it was a planned abduction or an abduction of chance? (I am aware not everyone thinks it was an abduction)

Again hopefully someone can shed light on this next part, as I am sure it has been discussed at length before so I apologise in advance.

Didn’t Williams foster family leave Sydney for Kendall kinda in a hurry and at the last minute? Were they suppose to be going up on the Friday afternoon? Is that correct or am I way off?

I just wonder if the family wasn’t suppose to be there until later, how would anyone know if there were any kids there at all?

 

[SouthAussie]

I’d love to get the thoughts of people who know this case more than I do. In regards to a possible abduction of William, do people think it was a planned abduction or an abduction of chance? (I am aware not everyone thinks it was an abduction)

Again hopefully someone can shed light on this next part, as I am sure it has been discussed at length before so I apologise in advance.

Didn’t Williams foster family leave Sydney for Kendall kinda in a hurry and at the last minute? Were they suppose to be going up on the Friday afternoon? Is that correct or am I way off?

I just wonder if the family wasn’t suppose to be there until later, how would anyone know if there were any kids there at all?

You are not way off. The FF were going to go to Kendall on Friday (which FGM apparently knew), but they were able to clear their schedules and get their cats into boarding, so they left for Kendall later on Thursday. FM called FGM before they left and told her they were on their way early.

I believe that there was another family member at FGM's before then (I don't know how long for).
Keeping in mind that FGM had been ill and was recovering. I suspect that is why the family were helping her at that particular time.

I personally think this was likely an unplanned, opportunistic abduction. I don't think anyone would have been aware (other than possibly family and a co-worker or two) that the FF would be in Kendall early.

If nasty FA is responsible, it wouldn't be the first time he has committed an opportunistic crime against a child.
His previous neighbours also suspected he had abused their dog in an intimate way.

Mind you, there were about 20 sex offenders living in the area. We don't know who they all are, only the ones who were identified to the media.

 

[T-dawg420]

You are not way off. The FF were going to go to Kendall on Friday (which FGM apparently knew), but they were able to clear their schedules and get their cats into boarding, so they left for Kendall later on Thursday. FM called FGM before they left and told her they were on their way early.

I believe that there was another family member at FGM's before then (I don't know how long for).
Keeping in mind that FGM had been ill and was recovering. I suspect that is why the family were helping her at that particular time.

I personally think this was likely an unplanned, opportunistic abduction. I don't think anyone would have been aware (other than possibly family and a co-worker or two) that the FF would be in Kendall early.

If nasty FA is responsible, it wouldn't be the first time he has committed an opportunistic crime against a child.
His previous neighbours also suspected he had abused their dog in an intimate way.

Mind you, there were about 20 sex offenders living in the area. We don't know who they all are, only the ones who were identified to the media.

Thanks SA for the reply. is FA the one that lived up in Logan’s crossing? In the caravan?

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA for the reply. is FA the one that lived up in Logan’s crossing? In the caravan?

FA lived at Herons Creek at the time. Near an old timbermill. But he used to live near GO prior to that. GO lives at Logans Crossing. Yes, in a caravan.

 

[T-dawg420]

FA lived at Herons Creek at the time. Near an old timbermill. But he used to live near GO. GO lives at Logans Crossing.
Yes, in a caravan.

thanks again, i’m reading up on GO and FA now….Wowzers is all I gotta say!

 

[T-dawg420]

FA lived at Herons Creek at the time. Near an old timbermill. But he used to live near GO prior to that. GO lives at Logans Crossing. Yes, in a caravan.

Just another clarification if you know SA, or anyone else For that matter. I’ve read conflicting information about GO. A few reports say he was scheduled to work on the FGM’s deck on the day William disappeared, but other reports say it was before William disappeared.

Does anyone know definitively when GO worked on or was scheduled to work on the FGM’s deck?

 

[drsleuth]

Just another clarification if you know SA, or anyone else For that matter. I’ve read conflicting information about GO. A few reports say he was scheduled to work on the FGM’s deck on the day William disappeared, but other reports say it was before William disappeared.

Does anyone know definitively when GO worked on or was scheduled to work on the FGM’s deck?

GO had contacted the FGM on the 8/9/14 to repair some rotted decking & he went that day to give access the deck & give a quote & he phoned her later that afternoon to give her the quote.

on the 11/9/14 he phoned again & he said he spoke to a daughter of the FGM's ( not the FFC ) & enquired about doing the decking on the 16/9/14

On the 11/9/14 @ 5pm he attended Port Macquarie hospital for an appointment / cancer support meeting

On 12/9/14 between 10-11am he attended Kendall Community centre to pay for advertising

On the 18/9/14 he went to hospital for surgery, was in hospital for 6 days ( he was awaiting a surgery time prior to this )

He returned on the 10/10/14 to repair the deck.

This all from evidence he gave at the inquest.

 

[SouthAussie]

GO had contacted the FGM on the 8/9/14 to repair some rotted decking & he went that day to give access the deck & give a quote & he phoned her later that afternoon to give her the quote.

on the 11/9/14 he phoned again & he said he spoke to a daughter of the FGM's ( not the FFC ) & enquired about doing the decking on the 16/9/14

On the 11/9/14 @ 5pm he attended Port Macquarie hospital for an appointment / cancer support meeting

On 12/9/14 between 10-11am he attended Kendall Community centre to pay for advertising

On the 18/9/14 he went to hospital for surgery, was in hospital for 6 days ( he was awaiting a surgery time prior to this )

He returned on the 10/10/14 to repair the deck.

This all from evidence he gave at the inquest.

Apparently (according to CO's book) the phone records show he called FGM's house at 9:10am on the Friday that William disappeared.
I wonder if GO was confused at the inquest. I just read that he had Parkinsons and he said his memory was shot.
Though his testimony sounds pretty detailed.



From: Caroline Overington, Missing William Tyrrell, 2020, pp.16-17

[At 9:03 am, FFC used "her mum's cordless home phone" to call BS, leaving a voicemail message which asked him to call back.]
"A short time later, the phone rang but it wasn't [BS] calling.
Again according to phone records, it was a local handyman, [GO], who called at 9.10 a.m. to ask about some repairs that William's foster nana needed done to the deck.
William's foster mum has no recollection of receiving that call.
She was, it seems, already outside, with William."

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57

Is it possible that at 9:10 Spedding tried to return FFC's call and CO misassigned his telephone number? Not sure...

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[Detective Willy]

***A $1M reward would normally lead to someone confessing and taking the cash if an associate was involved IMO***.

The question remains why nobody has been "dobbed in"???

If it was 2 or more local paedophiles in concert why did not 1 of them fold?

Especially if 1 of them died and makes a supposed "deathbed confession"!!

OMG - you would them IMO go to the police and take the cash for crying out loud.

I ask again that we all start with "Ocaams Razor".

The police are on the right path. The road is quiet and peripheral noise is about.

I will accept that the FP were not involved if the Coroner rules this but until the I don't know who to focus on.

 

[SouthAussie]

***A $1M reward would normally lead to someone confessing and taking the cash if an associate was involved IMO***.

The question remains why nobody has been "dobbed in"???

If it was 2 or more local paedophiles in concert why did not 1 of them fold?

Especially if 1 of them died and makes a supposed "deathbed confession"!!

OMG - you would them IMO go to the police and take the cash for crying out loud.

I ask again that we all start with "Ocaams Razor".

The police are on the right path. The road is quiet and peripheral noise is about.

I will accept that the FP were not involved if the Coroner rules this but until the I don't know who to focus on.

To my way of thinking, there is no point in focusing on just one person. Because there are at least a handful of players who could be the perp. (Or William could have got lost in an obscure place.)

Which is likely why the Coroner had summoned a good quantity of people to testify at the inquest. She has the entire police brief.

We have done research about rewards and discovered that they are rarely claimed in Australia. Even whopping big ones like $1,000,000. (Penny Hill's murder in 1991 is a good example of that.)

 

[Awakening]

Whereabouts was the deck rotting?

 

[Doesitmakesense]

To my way of thinking, there is no point in focusing on just one person. Because there are at least a handful of players who could be the perp. (Or William could have got lost in an obscure place.)

Which is likely why the Coroner had summoned a good quantity of people to testify at the inquest. She has the entire police brief.

We have done research about rewards and discovered that they are rarely claimed in Australia. Even whopping big ones like $1,000,000. (Penny Hill's murder in 1991 is a good example of that.)

It would be interesting to see if when rewards are claimed, who the perpetraters are. Eg are they usually claimed when the victim is known to the perpertrater, or claimed when the victim is unknown and opportunistic.

 

[T-dawg420]

***A $1M reward would normally lead to someone confessing and taking the cash if an associate was involved IMO***.

The question remains why nobody has been "dobbed in"???

If it was 2 or more local paedophiles in concert why did not 1 of them fold?

Especially if 1 of them died and makes a supposed "deathbed confession"!!

OMG - you would them IMO go to the police and take the cash for crying out loud.

I ask again that we all start with "Ocaams Razor".

The police are on the right path. The road is quiet and peripheral noise is about.

I will accept that the FP were not involved if the Coroner rules this but until the I don't know who to focus on.

Isn’t the 1million reward for the information that leads to a conviction of somebody?

Just thinking out loud, possibly a reason somebody hasn’t given anyone up is because of self preservation? Such as either they don’t want toget in trouble themselves or don’t want any harm to come to themselves, for example if they’ve been threatened.

I think its important to keep an open mind and look at everyone, including the FP’s. Applying Occam’s razor is critical imo, just as much is backing theories up with evidence.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be interesting to see if when rewards are claimed, who the perpetraters are. Eg are they usually claimed when the victim is known to the perpertrater, or claimed when the victim is unknown and opportunistic.

NSW Police currently have 86 listings on their website offering rewards of $50,000 up to $1,000,000.

Most of these relate to missing persons and serious criminal activity including unsolved homicides.

Witnesses and informants may be worried about the possible consequences of reporting a crime, such as retribution by the alleged offender. In other cases they may simply not want to be involved in a stressful and emotional investigation.

In England, statistics show that less than 2% of people who are eligible for a reward actually claim it. And in Australia, Crime Stoppers estimates that only 6% of all callers end up claiming a reward.

In 2009, it was revealed that none of the $14 million allocated by Victorian Police for information relating to 43 different crimes had been paid out. So while many would jump at the chance to make a few extra bucks, it seems that the vast majority of people are happy to help police free of charge.

Catching Criminals: Do Rewards Really Work?

There are around 35,000 people reported missing in Australia each year. While over 99% are eventually found, some remain missing for years. Do rewards really work?

www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au

 

[T-dawg420]

Whereabouts was the deck rotting?

Also does anyone know if the deck includes the railing?

 

[SouthAussie]

Isn’t the 1million reward for the information that leads to a conviction of somebody?

No, the reward is for the recovery of William.


The NSW Government has announced a $1 million reward for information that leads to the recovery of William Tyrrell.

“This is a unique reward, it does not require the charge and conviction of any person(s), it relates to the recovery of William Tyrrell.

Return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

www.police.nsw.gov.au