Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[LolaAngelina]

From my memory MSM reported that the "big dig" late last was year was because a "brand new witness we didn't previously know about has come forward"

I will google now and see if I can find it.

Thankyou,l do remember that. l thought the poster meant that was the reason the inquest was stopped.

 

[Megnut]

Would a "police informant' possibly be someone wired up by LE?

 

[JBowie]

IMO, things took a huge ‘shift’ as a result of that ‘witness’ coming forward.

The inquest went into a very looong break, another huge search was conducted with ‘stuff’ found & taken away for examination, Police honing in on a POI, FFGM‘s car taken for examination, FFC‘s both before the NSWCC - and now facing charges as a result of those sessions …

The inquest formally concluded in Lidcombe Coroner's Court in Sydney on 8 October 2021 and the Coroner moved onto the write up her findings phase.

The "big dig" was announced a month later on 15 November.

Police 'looking for remains' as new William Tyrrell searches launched

www.9news.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

The inquest formally concluded in Lidcombe Coroner's Court in Sydney on 8 October 2021 and the Coroner moved onto the write up her findings phase.

The "big dig" was announced a month later on 15 November.

Police 'looking for remains' as new William Tyrrell searches launched

www.9news.com.au

Edit: The inquest concluded in October 2020. The last search was announced 13 months later.
William Tyrrell inquest finishes 18 months of evidence


Though, the posts were speaking of a new witness coming forward after the 2nd tranche in August 2019. Which, like Lola, is not my recollection about the end of the 2nd tranche.

This could be getting very confusing for some.

imo

 

[Warshawski]

Good point ...
Is it possible that William was not actually wearing the "Spiderman Suit" when he went missing??? Did he accidentally wet or soil it, and was wearing other clothes by the time he went missing??

Have Police found other clothing with William's DNA on it?? Or part of the suit without William?? I know his shoes have been mentioned by media as one possibility....of discrepancy.... but could the Police build an entire case about that???

It has to be something they can "prove" .....

There are so many possibilities for the day in question ..... but they have to be "provable" in a court of law....

Just offering this, as a possibility???? Tossing out thoughts...

Thanks for all you pose SLouTH. I think anything is a possibility.

Hence the importance of absolute clarity on the Time those photos were taken IMO.

As when solving any jigsaw puzzle, there always has to be a definite starting point.
Then it’s important to closely examine, from every angle, every minute piece - to see where it may fit, to then discover the perfect fit ( and indeed if no fit, due to possible encroachment) IMO.

 

[Warshawski]

Police informant to give evidence in trial of William Tyrrell's foster mother

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

www.abc.net.au

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

Just trying to understand - does police informant - called as a witness - any different to being just a witness?

What is the difference between a witness and a police informant called as a witness. Just trying to understand if these words are chosen specifically and have a different meaning to just being a witness?? MOO

I found this a bit interesting NightRIder - goodness, what a confused world we live in

NSW DPP Prosecuting Guidelines Part 2: Prosecution’s Duty of Disclosure, Immunities, Informants, Victims of Crime and Vulnerable Witnesses | NSW Courts

The NSW DPP must consider guidelines covering its processes when disclosing evidence to the defence, providing immunity, and dealing with vulnerable witnesses, victims and informants.

nswcourts.com.au

 

[Warshawski]

If there is a time discrepancy in the photos for an unaccountable reason, the photos could be from anything, any time, imho. And I don't believe we have an answer to the time discrepancy as of yet, for reasons mentioned earlier upthread.

I admit I have difficulty with those photos, I feel too much weight was put on them in the beginning and I believe they weren't forensically examined immediately by an expert IT person to ensure they weren't photoshopped, or a photo taken of a photoshopped photo, or tampered with in some way, for time, date, whatever - because it seems such a coincidence to me that they would have photos taken of nothing special at all, imo, with a camera purchased very recently in another country that had an incorrect and never adjusted time setting, within an hour of the boy's permanent disappearance, when FD just happened to be out of town even though he was at the grandmother's for a weekend visit to assist her with her home sale and was only gone for an hour and a half or less. I perhaps wouldn't feel it was such a coincidence if photos had been taken of W sitting with their nana who was elderly, or climbing one of her trees she would soon no longer have, or riding bikes on her driveway since W was still learning how to ride, or pictured someplace nice with FGM and her home that she was soon selling, for example.

I could swear that earlier, FGM was reported to have stated that FM had taken photos with her phone, as opposed to a camera, imo.

If the fosters have lied to the CC about the WT case, it makes it difficult to believe anything they've said, for me at least.

I hope they call in the Photo expert from the Depp /Heard trial . He was all over it, charted to the max - even I could understand

 

[Warshawski]

The coroner is not questioning what day the photos were taken. It is simply the time stamp that requires clarification. If there was any doubt the photo was photoshopped or taken a different day the coroner would be questioning it. If it’s accepted by the coroner and strike force rosann, l think we need to accept that as fact.

but surely the ‘time stamp’ is what tells us When it was taken ?

 

[Warshawski]

I am suspicious after LE (BETTER LATE THAN NEVER) tracked down and forensically assessed grandmas car that Williams dna is in it.
Somewhere inappropriate like the boot.
I theorise that perhaps it has been catagorically denied that WIlliam had ever been in that vehicle.

Things have been humming along at Rosann since about then.

moo

BBM - and whilst I agree the ‘impounding’ of said car peaked my interest, imo we haven’t heard of any test results

 

[JBowie]

Edit: The inquest concluded in October 2020. The last search was announced 13 months later.

Ooops, thanks for fixing that.

Though, the posts were speaking of a new witness coming forward after the 2nd tranche in August 2019. Which, like Lola, is not my recollection about the end of the 2nd tranche.

This could be getting very confusing for some.

imo

Confusion reigns in this case from the very outset.

 

[FromGermany1]

I could swear that earlier, FGM was reported to have stated that FM had taken photos with her phone, as opposed to a camera, imo

Verrry interesting!

 

[Warshawski]

From the same article as I posted above. Seems to be a lot of “he said/he said” stuff when it comes to former Detective Jubelin. Similar to BS and all the “he said“ vs “no I didnt say it like that” kinda jaz with former Detective Jubelin. Of course imo, moo


“”One of Jubelin’s charges related to an earlier phone call he recorded with Savage in November, 2017.

According to one member of the strike force, Detective Senior Constable Greg Gallyot, Jubelin pulled him into a room and asked him to record the call while he put his phone on speaker.

Gallyot gave evidence he was “shocked” and hesitated before Jubelin told him: “Just do it”.

Jubelin denied saying those words and told the court there was no opposition to his request.

Gallyot, who started his dream job at unsolved homicide on the day he made his statement about the call, told the court he didn’t want to speak up initially because he was scared of being bullied or belittled by Jubelin.

Other officers on the strike force told the court they had never seen Jubelin bully or intimidate his staff.””

<modsnip>

I believe it’s important to focus on what’s important, and the Truth - little of which we are privy to, but I remain ever hopeful that it will prevail, sooner rather than later.

The tossing of ideas & examination / cross-referenced examination of information that we are privy to is IMO a vital contribution to William’s cause.

The ‘new’ team under Laidlaw seems committed to doing their own examination of everything they can get their hands on from the beginning. . such a laborious task & I trust & pray for their strength & guidance. (and I’m pretty sure they’ll keep a look out here for the snippets of awesome intel provided)

 

[Warshawski]

Edit: The inquest concluded in October 2020. The last search was announced 13 months later.
William Tyrrell inquest finishes 18 months of evidence


Though, the posts were speaking of a new witness coming forward after the 2nd tranche in August 2019. Which, like Lola, is not my recollection about the end of the 2nd tranche.

This could be getting very confusing for some.

imo

inquest adjourned:

Counsel assisting Gerard Craddock SC said that the inquest had already uncovered new leads.
"As a consequence of the evidence called here, there has been a witness who we had no idea about who has come forward and is speaking to police," Mr Craddock said.

Coronavirus halts William Tyrrell inquest

www.9news.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

inquest adjourned:

Counsel assisting Gerard Craddock SC said that the inquest had already uncovered new leads.
"As a consequence of the evidence called here, there has been a witness who we had no idea about who has come forward and is speaking to police," Mr Craddock said.

Coronavirus halts William Tyrrell inquest

www.9news.com.au

I think the tranches are melding together.


I have been sitting trying to work out the dates of the tranches, from various MSM sources. And I can't work out the entire timeframe(s).

 

[JBowie]

I think the tranches are melding together.

Tranchefusion?

 

[deugirtni]

BBM - and whilst I agree the ‘impounding’ of said car peaked my interest, imo we haven’t heard of any test results

If something was found in said car, I doubt if police would notify media, but rather they would use it as one more piece of an intricate puzzle in their quest to determine what happened, imo. They may have found something that discredits something that had been stated otherwise, which may add to the building blocks of gathering evidence against any given perp. imo.

 

[Mauig’ma]

The coroner is not questioning what day the photos were taken. It is simply the time stamp that requires clarification. If there was any doubt the photo was photoshopped or taken a different day the coroner would be questioning it. If it’s accepted by the coroner and strike force rosann, l think we need to accept that as fact.

I’m not questioning the day of the photos just the time of them. Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

Thankyou,l do remember that. l thought the poster meant that was the reason the inquest was stopped.

It could be the reason. The coroner didn’t give a reason. That’s why I think it’s wrong for anyone to state anything as fact. Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

The last session in Taree was cut short due to Covid, that was the only session that was cut short.

Did the coroner say that? If not that’s your opinion

 

[Couldbe]

If there is a time discrepancy in the photos for an unaccountable reason, the photos could be from anything, any time, imho. And I don't believe we have an answer to the time discrepancy as of yet, for reasons mentioned earlier upthread.

I admit I have difficulty with those photos, I feel too much weight was put on them in the beginning and I believe they weren't forensically examined immediately by an expert IT person to ensure they weren't photoshopped, or a photo taken of a photoshopped photo, or tampered with in some way, for time, date, whatever - because it seems such a coincidence to me that they would have photos taken of nothing special at all, imo, with a camera purchased very recently in another country that had an incorrect and never adjusted time setting, within an hour of the boy's permanent disappearance, when FD just happened to be out of town even though he was at the grandmother's for a weekend visit to assist her with her home sale and was only gone for an hour and a half or less. I perhaps wouldn't feel it was such a coincidence if photos had been taken of W sitting with their nana who was elderly, or climbing one of her trees she would soon no longer have, or riding bikes on her driveway since W was still learning how to ride, or pictured someplace nice with FGM and her home that she was soon selling, for example.

I could swear that earlier, FGM was reported to have stated that FM had taken photos with her phone, as opposed to a camera, imo.

If the fosters have lied to the CC about the WT case, it makes it difficult to believe anything they've said, for me at least.

Extracted from this quoted post: "I could swear that earlier, FGM was reported to have stated that FM had taken photos with her phone, as opposed to a camera, imo."

JMO - Why did FGM say FFFC took the photos on her phone? It would have been understandable if she had said that she didn't know what the FFC had used ...... especially as she was sitting there reading her newspaper.