Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[SouthAussie]

This is just my jumbled speculation:

Adults are sleeping separately. To maximize parenting? A harbinger of marital tension?

Morning begins, busy. Wm is emptying cupboards. IMO he's still in his jams.

Still speculating -- the male caregiver leaves. To get a newspaper, perhaps to drop off a script. Meanwhile, the remaining individuals have breakfast. Wm dons his Spiderman tee and Spiderman duds.

Male caregiver returns home. Foster children race to the yard to meet him.

Foster children play on their bikes.

Female caregiver makes tea (the first of two times IMO). Everyone gathers on the veranda. Photo ops. Foster grandma has her tea and her newspaper, foster daughter is alternately playing with Wm and drawing. The photos are taken.

Male caregiver leaves again, for his virtual meeting.

Wm runs around the side of the house but turns sharply, onto the second veranda and not the yard. At the length, he is now a full story above ground, but it took him only a step or two to access the veranda. He may not realize that, while the veranda hadn't changed, the landscape below it had fallen off.

Possibly he is pursued, over correction from rambunctious dice rolling.

And Wm crashes into the garden.from a height. Death, immediate.

IMO I think, in that one moment, one person made one calculated decision -- that no one can ever know about this.

I think the neighbors were serenaded with a raucous exchange of Mommy Monster, only zero children were playing. And only one adult.

While the foster grandma sipped her tea second tea?) and read her paper at leisure and the foster daughter lost herself in coloring, I think the female caregiver drove off in the foster grandma's car.

If she were truly driving for the purposes of a search, IMO she'd have told the foster grandma to keep an eye on the foster daughter and call her cell if Wm shows up.

I think she did not. I think she left, in secret, fairly confident that the two on the deck were well occupied.

I think, however, that she was gone long enough that the foster grandma noticed, and went in search of....

I think the female caregiver arrived home barely before the male caregiver did. I think she must've pulled in just ahead of the foster grandma coming to look for her.

I think no one but the female caregiver knew about that drive -- except perhaps for neighbors who may have heard the car. And I think it would have remained a secret. If not for the trucker making eye contact.

I think the foster grandma was easily moulded to think mere minutes elapsed between Wm and the female caregiver's exodus from the deck --

When the male caregiver arrived, the female caregiver gave off the impression IMO and by design that Wm had JUST gone missing and she had JUST begun searching -- five minutes, could have been 20, he was just here and now he's gone...

The drive is key.

JMO

Nice to see a thought out theory.
It leaves me with a couple of questions.

Why would anyone need to hide that they went out earlier to run errands, if that is what FD did?

How did FD manage to attend to his confirmed 9:30am GoTo meeting in Lakewood?

 

[Couldbe]

Police walkthrough reveals details about William Tyrrell's foster parents

9now.nine.com.au

About 1.17 there is a walkthrough video on the ACA clip and the MFC says I saw her on the phone (FFC) and she says should I call the police and the MFC says yes call the police.

So who was FFC on the phone too?? before the police?? MOO

Extracted from your post Nightrider: "So who was FFC on the phone too?? before the police??"

When FFC phoned 000, she didn't then use her Mobile;
.... from memory she used FFGM's landline and was standing in the carport with Anne Maree Sharply.
.... so, which phone did the MFC see her on / and where where were they at that time?
.... did FFC then take FFGM's landline cordless phone and proceed down into the carport?

We probably can only speculate ...... maybe both FFC and MFC were in the kitchen, and MFC was heading into the bathroom at that time; and FFC headed back down to join Anne Maree in the carport to make the call. JMOO

 

[FromGermany1]

didnt bs say something like
'the other daughter took the call?'

Wasn't that GO, who said something about "the other daughter" (who couldn't be there, if she was picked up from airport later)?

 

[iiiii's]

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his FINAL hours and bedroom he slept in before vanishing

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his FINAL hours and bedroom he slept in before vanishing

www.nytimespost.com

BBM - JMO, this may have just been a poor choice of words!: (Was she not able to hear William's name being called out?)

"‘When I got down to the road I could see Anne Maree (Sharpley) who lives there.

‘It was absolutely deathly quiet. Still. Nothing. I was down on the road talking with Anne Maree and then (the foster mother) came up very distraught and said “I’ve got to call the police”.

‘I think I was walking up when (the foster father) arrived and he was distraught as well."

FFGM's walk through gives the impression that she found herself in a situation that her daughter, husband and neighbor seemed to comprehend and be reacting to before it was even communicated to her, what was going on. IMO

 

[FromGermany1]

FFGM's walk through gives the impression that she found herself in a situation that her daughter, husband and neighbor seemed to comprehend and be reacting to before it was even communicated to her, what was going on. IMO

I think so as well, when I'm reading, what FGM stated/mentioned during the walk through (can't understand her in the video).

 

[seekingjustice**]

Nice to see a thought out theory.
It leaves me with a couple of questions.

Why would anyone need to hide that they went out earlier to run errands, if that is what FD did?

How did FD manage to attend to his confirmed 9:30am GoTo meeting in Lakewood?

JMO regarding why MFC may not have disclosed that he did leave the property twice is because he did not want to admit that he was 'frustrated' with the children - just like he deleted a batch of text messages between himself and FM which IMO were also very likely expressing negative feelings about William.

I recall reading that the FM said on the morning of Sep 12, 2014, that her husband had become “frustrated” with the children being noisy.
and she said something like ‘you just take care of yourself and I will take care of them’.”

 

[SouthAussie]

JMO regarding why MFC may not have disclosed that he did leave the property twice is because he did not want to admit that he was 'frustrated' with the children - just like he deleted a batch of text messages between himself and FM which IMO were also very likely expressing negative feelings about William.

I recall reading that the FM said on the morning of Sep 12, 2014, that her husband had become “frustrated” with the children being noisy.
and she said something like ‘you just take care of yourself and I will take care of them’.”

Regardless of what kind of headspace FD was in at the time, there was no need to lie. Running out for a paper is not an unusual thing to do ... and nobody had to say that the children were rowdy and excited (if they were trying to cover up).

imo

 

[SLouTh]

Extracted from your post Nightrider: "So who was FFC on the phone too?? before the police??"

According to Caroline Overington’s book Missing William Tyrrell, FM wasn’t on the phone to BA or MW at that time….. I had wondered if she had called them first…..

BA (William’s Caseworker) received the call from FM stating William was missing at 12:53pm that day and at 12:58pm he contacted MW of Young Hope.

Edit to add: I guess the Police would know the answer to this question….

 

[SLouTh]

Early road-blocks did not reveal/capture any suspicious evidence.

IIRC correctly there were no early road blocks put in place ….
Mr Newton testified at the Inquest that when he left Benaroon Drive at 11am on the Saturday they just drove out, as per usual with no checks by Police …

 

[seekingjustice**]

Regardless of what kind of headspace FD was in at the time, there was no need to lie. Running out for a paper is not an unusual thing to do ... and nobody had to say that the children were rowdy and excited (if they were trying to cover up).

imo

I agree it would be an innocent and acceptable reason to leave the home to grab a paper for FGM without the need to omit that part of the story. So, if MFC is found to have lied and withheld that information, then one would likely assume it would be for a 'not so innocent' reason. MOO

 

[SLouTh]

MOO – By working on a process of elimination following are 3 brief descriptions of possible scenarios:-

1. Wandered and became lost:
   Fosters stated that he wasn’t a wanderer.
   Searches did not find him.
   New owners of FFGM property, with fresh eyes, did not discover his body.
2. Opportunistic Abduction:
   If approached, William could easily run back up / called out to FFC ….. thereby causing possible Abductor to abandon his intention.
   Early road-blocks did not reveal/capture any suspicious evidence.
3. Accident, thereafter hiding/disposing of his body:
   If this had occurred, then much of the evidence was not available … due to mistakes made in not cordoning off the scene when well-meaning Searchers descended in the vicinity.
   If FFC was involved in William’s disappearance did she just get lucky, and Homicide Detectives who questioned the Fosters were only able to extract conflicting details and mis-matching stories …. thereby then choosing to pursue possible Paedophile involvement.

JMOO – The joining in and assistance of so many people very early in the disappearance contributed momentum, and everyone was then carried away with the distress of FFC and MFC, and didn’t consider the Fosters actually had anything to do with William’s disappearance. This momentum continued; with the PR Company becoming involved and promoting the public awareness.

Great Post CB ….yes nearly 8 years down the track we are still at 3 possible scenarios …..

The only thing that will fit the timeline is the truth….IMO

 

[seekingjustice**]

MOO – By working on a process of elimination following are 3 brief descriptions of possible scenarios:-

1. Wandered and became lost:
   Fosters stated that he wasn’t a wanderer.
   Searches did not find him.
   New owners of FFGM property, with fresh eyes, did not discover his body.
2. Opportunistic Abduction:
   If approached, William could easily run back up / called out to FFC ….. thereby causing possible Abductor to abandon his intention.
   Early road-blocks did not reveal/capture any suspicious evidence.
3. Accident, thereafter hiding/disposing of his body:
   If this had occurred, then much of the evidence was not available … due to mistakes made in not cordoning off the scene when well-meaning Searchers descended in the vicinity.
   If FFC was involved in William’s disappearance did she just get lucky, and Homicide Detectives who questioned the Fosters were only able to extract conflicting details and mis-matching stories …. thereby then choosing to pursue possible Paedophile involvement.

JMOO – The joining in and assistance of so many people very early in the disappearance contributed momentum, and everyone was then carried away with the distress of FFC and MFC, and didn’t consider the Fosters actually had anything to do with William’s disappearance. This momentum continued; with the PR Company becoming involved and promoting the public awareness.

Great post CB - supporting the accident theory - interestingly the neighbor Judy Wilson said “I don’t think it was an opportunistic grab from someone who just happened to be here because we don’t get strangers wandering around.”

Also if I remember correctly, police sniffer dogs picked up William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the property.

BBM.

 

[SLouTh]

How did FD manage to attend to his confirmed 9:30am GoTo meeting in Lakewood?

I don’t understand this part either SA….. We have heard for the last 7 years that FF‘s movements that day have been verified …. Including that his car was captured on CCTV consistent with leaving the house at 08:40am
(From Overinton’s book, Missing William Tyrrell

And now we read that his mobile phone records show him leaving the house at 09:30am

Mobile phone records have shown that William’s foster father left his mother-in-law’s home in Kendall at 9.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/key-detail-in-william-tyrrell-pic-under-investigation-as-boys-foster-parents-charged-with-alleged-assault-of-a-child/news-story/6983c0a44392f8599514e4b5c8a56f04

So how is this possible??? I don’t have an answer…..

The only thing I can think of is that another phone left the area at 9:30am???

And another question is, does the CCTV also support this theory of the FF car leaving At 9:30am??.To my knowledge this has not been reported on???

 

[SouthAussie]

I don’t understand this part either SA….. We have heard for the last 7 years that FF‘s movements that day have been verified …. Including that his car was captured on CCTV consistent with leaving the house at 08:40am
(From Overinton’s book, Missing William Tyrrell

And now we read that his mobile phone records show him leaving the house at 09:30am

Mobile phone records have shown that William’s foster father left his mother-in-law’s home in Kendall at 9.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/key-detail-in-william-tyrrell-pic-under-investigation-as-boys-foster-parents-charged-with-alleged-assault-of-a-child/news-story/6983c0a44392f8599514e4b5c8a56f04

So how is this possible??? I don’t have an answer…..

The only thing I can think of is that another phone left the area at 9:30am???

And another question is, does the CCTV also support this theory of the FF car leaving At 9:30am??.To my knowledge this has not been reported on???

Did you notice there is no byline on that article? Well, no writer(s) named in the byline.
Makes a person wonder who the heck wrote it.

I think what they mean to say is records show that at 9:30am FD was on his GoTo Meeting.

FD's movements are the easiest to verify. There is no issue with reception in Lakewood (we looked at this before). There is also the possibility that he was remembered in Lakewood, if he grabbed a coffee to sip during his meeting.
And there is the tennis club CCTV tracking movements in and out of town. Probably also CCTV at the Lakewood shopping centre.

 

[JLZ]

I don’t understand this part either SA….. We have heard for the last 7 years that FF‘s movements that day have been verified …. Including that his car was captured on CCTV consistent with leaving the house at 08:40am
(From Overinton’s book, Missing William Tyrrell

And now we read that his mobile phone records show him leaving the house at 09:30am

Mobile phone records have shown that William’s foster father left his mother-in-law’s home in Kendall at 9.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/key-detail-in-william-tyrrell-pic-under-investigation-as-boys-foster-parents-charged-with-alleged-assault-of-a-child/news-story/6983c0a44392f8599514e4b5c8a56f04

So how is this possible??? I don’t have an answer…..

The only thing I can think of is that another phone left the area at 9:30am???

And another question is, does the CCTV also support this theory of the FF car leaving At 9:30am??.To my knowledge this has not been reported on???

The mobile phone records though would show what, which tower the phone connected to? And the towers perhaps aren't very close together? I've heard sometimes the connection switches according where there's a stronger signal without the person changing location. Perhaps MFC made a call or internet connection at 9:30 in Lakewood, but the tower was the same as it would have been from Benaroon Drive . . . which is Middle Brother, in my opinion.

 

[SLouTh]

There is a chance that the alleged “lying or giving misleading evidence to the NSWCC“ charges are about part of the investigation that we know nothing about???

There have been reports of Police following up “new clues” that were not previously explored…..

Further information has since come to light, as part of our ongoing review of the materials gathered by investigators since the moment William went missing seven years ago.

“As our team continue to conduct inquiries and explore all avenues of investigation, our focus has been identifying if anything has been missed, or if there are any details – no matter how small – that need to be clarified.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/key-detail-in-william-tyrrell-pic-under-investigation-as-boys-foster-parents-charged-with-alleged-assault-of-a-child/news-story/6983c0a44392f8599514e4b5c8a56f04

The wording is interesting ….. eg the “Moment“ William went missing … and so is the need to “Clarify” even the smallest details …

 

[SouthAussie]

In case people are not aware of the purpose of GoTo Meetings .... it is to be able to share presentations, while speaking at the same time. All invitees to the call can view the same presentation and discuss it.

GoTo Meetings can also be recorded, for future consultation.

It would take a steady internet connection to not interrupt the meeting with screen freezes and such.

There are also the GoTo Meeting attendees who can verify each other's presence at the meeting, the time of the meeting, what they discussed, etc.

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[Megnut]

IF the male caregiver left twice that morning (my speculation), that could've been a more recent discovery, as LE might not have checked or even had reason to check for his vehicle on CCTV earlier than the time of his departure for his virtual work meeting.

What if....

The photos were taken at 7:30 after all?

What if...

Wm had a terrible fall while both caregivers were home?

It might explain how the male caregiver already seemed to know something about Wm being missing as he returned from that meeting, per the foster grandma's recollection.

It might explain his coming out of the loo crying. Genuine emotion over the known loss of Wm.

It might explain his lack of clarity regarding Wm and the Spiderman outfit, that he thought Wm was already wearing. (Maybe he wasn't wearing it when the male caregiver left the first time but was, the second.)

It might give context to the female caregiver's sentence about him taking care of himself, and her taking care of the children -- or however that was worded. If his meeting was given priority over the emergent situation at hand. She'd take care of it.

Is it possible, if the male caregiver did leave twice that morning, that he took Wm along for the first trip?

I am beginning to think that LE has begun to find significant holes in the timeline.

Was the male caregiver home when the infamous photos were taken?

Was the male caregiver aware that Wm had "gone missing" prior to his departure for his virtual meeting?

Where, oh, where is that sweet little boy?

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

The mobile phone records though would show what, which tower the phone connected to? And the towers perhaps aren't very close together? I've heard sometimes the connection switches according where there's a stronger signal without the person changing location. Perhaps MFC made a call or internet connection at 9:30 in Lakewood, but the tower was the same as it would have been from Benaroon Drive . . . which is Middle Brother, in my opinion.

Fair point JLZ, and true, but the accuracy of a mobile ping from a tower is quite astounding ….. (I have witnessed this working in a very remote area with the Police finding someone in the middle of nowhere ……)

Especially, if the Police have analysed the data ….

At the very least it can tell an investigator which cell the mobile device (and hence the owner of the device) was located in at a particular time. But if the investigator is prepared to analyse the data, much more accurate location information can be obtained.

Info from 2014 … What the police can get from mobile phone tower data

 

[Curiouser+Curiouser]

MOO – By working on a process of elimination following are 3 brief descriptions of possible scenarios:-

Is there not a fourth possibility? Maybe I'm coming in halfway through a conversation...

My opinion is actually number 3, accidental death and cover up because of shame and worrying about losing W's sister. Appearances are important.

However, there's also a possibility of homicide/manslaughter isn't there? <modsnip>